Chitchat Amos Yee - A win-win outcome

[bodycells]

HRW Deputy Director: Singapore government’s actions led to Amos Yee’s appeal for protection as a refugee



Phil Robertson, Deputy Director of Human Rights Watch's (HRW) Asia division, gave a statement on 24 December 2016 in relation to the detention of Singaporean blogger, Amos Yee who is seeking political asylum in the USA.

The Deputy Director of HRW Asia wrote, “Amos Yee is the sort of classic political dissident that the UN Refugee Convention was designed to protect, and Human Rights Watch hopes the US will recognize his asylum claim.”

“No one should doubt that it was the Singapore government’s actions to consistently harass and bully Amos Yee for his activism, and ultimately criminalize his acts, that led Amos Yee to this appeal for protection as a refugee."

Yee was seeking political asylum in America, but he has since been detained in the US when he arrived at Chicago’s O’Hare Airport, declaring himself as a visitor to the country.

It has not yet been confirmed why Yee was picked out by the US immigration, but the US immigration department said that the detained was according to protocol and procedures for persons seeking political asylum. Yee is currently held at the McHenry County Adult Correctional Facility.

Yee is now in contact with his US Lawyers and would be instructing his lawyers and to coordinate with the NGOs.

In September 2016, the 17-year-old was sentenced to six weeks imprisonment and a $2,000 fine in total for eight charges - two for failing to turn up at a police station and six for wounding the feelings of Muslims and/or Christians. Yee had rejected an earlier offer from the prosectutor at the start of the trial and contested all the charges against him; he had represented himself in court to stand trial.

The HRW director's statement in full:

"The Singapore government has subjected Amos Yee to a sustained pattern of persecution, including intimidation, arrest and imprisonment, for publicly expressing his views on politics and religion, and severely criticizing the government’s leaders, including the late Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew.

Since his release from prison, Yee has faced intensive government surveillance and monitoring of his public and on-line comments. Amos Yee is the sort of classic political dissident that the UN #Refugee Convention was designed to protect, and Human Rights Watch hopes the US will recognize his asylum claim.

No one should doubt that it was the Singapore government’s actions to consistently harass and bully Amos Yee for his activism, and ultimately criminalize his acts, that led Amos Yee to this appeal for protection as a refugee."

http://www.theonlinecitizen.com/201...amos-yees-appeal-for-protection-as-a-refugee/

 

[AlphaOne]

It will be difficult. His is not political persecution in the main but wounding the religious believes of others. His case is not even borderline. Interestingly if he gets it it more to do with the oppressive image of the PAP over the years rather than his own actions. Very similar category to Gopalan Nair.

"not political persecution in the main" that's utter rubbish. Democracy even though half baked is still democracy, it's still politics. A government, the prime minister himself taking on it's citizen, a young activist for criticism and ultimately criminalizing him. That's political persecution, pure and simple. No one from the religious sector took offense over his criticism, they may not like it but the contradictory lines in the bible are facts and has substance.

 

[AlphaOne]

On what grounds do the Ang Moh grant asylum to folks like Amos?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum_in_the_United_States

 

[zhihau]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum_in_the_United_States

Thanks, bro.
I think Papsmearer might be right, not a win-win for Amos and other parties.

 

[AlphaOne]

Thanks, bro.
I think Papsmearer might be right, not a win-win for Amos and other parties.

Concurred bro,

There are no win-win for anyone. Everything happens for a reason. Amos has been on YouTube with his fancies long before the old fart died and no one was bothered. Things only took a turn when on that very day the old fart died, he made his punchline calling the old fart a horrible man which is true in certain extent. This, the papzis and its cronies could not swallow. And they are determine and will stop at nothing to destroy his life if not him.

That's what the papzis are and with them in power, circumstances leaves Amos with his restless mind in speaking up no alternative but to seek refuge elsewhere. He remains, he will be a dead meat one way or another. Being a smart guy I believe he knows it better then anyone else.

 

[bodycells]

"not political persecution in the main" that's utter rubbish. Democracy even though half baked is still democracy, it's still politics. A government, the prime minister himself taking on it's citizen, a young activist for criticism and ultimately criminalizing him. That's political persecution, pure and simple. No one from the religious sector took offense over his criticism, they may not like it but the contradictory lines in the bible are facts and has substance.

Oh.. his ego is wounded. is that the reason why you are moderated?

 

[frenchbriefs]

this guy is a coward,if he truly believe in singapore's democracy and whatnot,and was a true rebel he would be staying on in this country to fight the oppression and those in power with every inch of his will and life,he would be setting himself on fire in front of the istana gates,did martin luther king or ghandi or nelson mandela run away when the persecution and backlash got too serious?nelson mandela endured 7 years of solitary confinement in the worst conditions,nearly going mad and talking to ants.did he give up at any point in time?he simply took the burden square on his shoulders one day at a time,did lim bo seng run away to the safety of america where he could critique and attack the jap from a distance while his brothers and fellow men suffered under the japs and slaughter 80,000 of our fellow singaporean chinks?did he hide in plain sight as a translator like a coward and was later praised and made examplar for it?no he fought the japanese oppression every step of the way till his capture and death.what about che guevara and jose mujica and many of the communist heros?did any of these guys took donation money or war funds and went off gallavating around the world,and using youtube as a medium of attention seeking and personal glorification and finally claimed to be a victim of political persecution in order to shirk his ns liabilities and cried and whine like a baby in his all letters whenever he had to face jail or the police or beg for more funds.

no i dont blame him,hes just a kid after all,cowardly and self centered and highly manipulative but not stupid.he represents the sickness of singapore,the hopes and pipedreams of a delusional and powerless and paralyzed people that could do nothing to save themselves not even vote properly in 2015.

how is the government actively persecuting him?they are merely responding to what he is doing nothing more,u dont stick ur hand into the wasp's nest and expect not to be stung.for every action theres a equal and opposing reaction,u dont expect the government to simply close one eye and do nothing?oh sure maybe the government has overreacted and mishandled the event....still this is singapore,this is not a place where we can go about saying anything on ur mind and criticise anything as much as we wished it could be.if we allowed people to say whatever they like and criticise any race or religion they like soon the whole country will degenerate into a israeli like situation,singapore will break down into different camps,soon we will be like malaysia where people are allowed to openly discriminate and attack,where people are allowed to don different coloured shirts and march,civil war might even break out and hate crimes flourish and maybe even terror attacks.we live in a fragile peace and compromise,something the americans and europeans and no idea about with their decades of warmongering and racial wars and the fact most of them lived in homogenious cultures for centuries.

its alright grant this guy his wish,singapore doesnt need anymore heros that could truly change the course and fate of history like tan kah kee or lim bo seng,just another coward to add to the sea of cowards we already have here.let him have a good life in the land of freedom of speech,just need to tone down the islamic rhetoric abit incase he catches a bullet in the head in another

 

[retrenched]

this guy is a coward,if he truly believe in singapore's democracy and whatnot,and was a true rebel he would be staying on in this country to fight the oppression and those in power with every inch of his will and life,he would be setting himself on fire in front of the istana gates,did martin luther king or ghandi or nelson mandela run away when the persecution and backlash got too serious?nelson mandela endured 7 years of solitary confinement in the worst conditions,nearly going mad and talking to ants.did he give up at any point in time?he simply took the burden square on his shoulders one day at a time,did lim bo seng run away to the safety of america where he could critique and attack the jap from a distance while his brothers and fellow men suffered under the japs and slaughter 80,000 of our fellow singaporean chinks?did he hide in plain sight as a translator like a coward and was later praised and made examplar for it?no he fought the japanese oppression every step of the way till his capture and death.what about che guevara and jose mujica and many of the communist heros?did any of these guys took donation money or war funds and went off gallavating around the world,and using youtube as a medium of attention seeking and personal glorification and finally claimed to be a victim of political persecution in order to shirk his ns liabilities and cried and whine like a baby in his all letters whenever he had to face jail or the police or beg for more funds.

no i dont blame him,hes just a kid after all,cowardly and self centered and highly manipulative but not stupid.he represents the sickness of singapore,the hopes and pipedreams of a delusional and powerless and paralyzed people that could do nothing to save themselves not even vote properly in 2015.

how is the government actively persecuting him?they are merely responding to what he is doing nothing more,u dont stick ur hand into the wasp's nest and expect not to be stung.for every action theres a equal and opposing reaction,u dont expect the government to simply close one eye and do nothing?oh sure maybe the government has overreacted and mishandled the event....still this is singapore,this is not a place where we can go about saying anything on ur mind and criticise anything as much as we wished it could be.if we allowed people to say whatever they like and criticise any race or religion they like soon the whole country will degenerate into a israeli like situation,singapore will break down into different camps,soon we will be like malaysia where people are allowed to openly discriminate and attack,where people are allowed to don different coloured shirts and march,civil war might even break out and hate crimes flourish and maybe even terror attacks.we live in a fragile peace and compromise,something the americans and europeans and no idea about with their decades of warmongering and racial wars and the fact most of them lived in homogenious cultures for centuries.

its alright grant this guy his wish,singapore doesnt need anymore heros that could truly change the course and fate of history like tan kah kee or lim bo seng,just another coward to add to the sea of cowards we already have here.let him have a good life in the land of freedom of speech,just need to tone down the islamic rhetoric abit incase he catches a bullet in the head in another

+1.............

 

[winners]

If the US does eventually grant him an asylum (which I doubt), then be it. They are going to regret by being sympathetic to him. They should instead focus on how he had mistreated and humiliated his own parents, especially with expletives. He'll also bring about chaos and hatred with his constant religious condemnation, which is of no business of his in the first place. No organization in its right mind will ever consider taking in this bum. He'll never be the next Bill Gates, Steve Jobs or Mark Zuckerberg. In my opinion, he has wasted his life away.

 

[bodycells]

this guy is a coward,if he truly believe in singapore's democracy and whatnot,and was a true rebel he would be staying on in this country to fight the oppression and those in power with every inch of his will and life,he would be setting himself on fire in front of the istana gates,did martin luther king or ghandi or nelson mandela run away when the persecution and backlash got too serious?nelson mandela endured 7 years of solitary confinement in the worst conditions,nearly going mad and talking to ants.did he give up at any point in time?he simply took the burden square on his shoulders one day at a time,did lim bo seng run away to the safety of america where he could critique and attack the jap from a distance while his brothers and fellow men suffered under the japs and slaughter 80,000 of our fellow singaporean chinks?did he hide in plain sight as a translator like a coward and was later praised and made examplar for it?no he fought the japanese oppression every step of the way till his capture and death.what about che guevara and jose mujica and many of the communist heros?did any of these guys took donation money or war funds and went off gallavating around the world,and using youtube as a medium of attention seeking and personal glorification and finally claimed to be a victim of political persecution in order to shirk his ns liabilities and cried and whine like a baby in his all letters whenever he had to face jail or the police or beg for more funds.

no i dont blame him,hes just a kid after all,cowardly and self centered and highly manipulative but not stupid.he represents the sickness of singapore,the hopes and pipedreams of a delusional and powerless and paralyzed people that could do nothing to save themselves not even vote properly in 2015.

how is the government actively persecuting him?they are merely responding to what he is doing nothing more,u dont stick ur hand into the wasp's nest and expect not to be stung.for every action theres a equal and opposing reaction,u dont expect the government to simply close one eye and do nothing?oh sure maybe the government has overreacted and mishandled the event....still this is singapore,this is not a place where we can go about saying anything on ur mind and criticise anything as much as we wished it could be.if we allowed people to say whatever they like and criticise any race or religion they like soon the whole country will degenerate into a israeli like situation,singapore will break down into different camps,soon we will be like malaysia where people are allowed to openly discriminate and attack,where people are allowed to don different coloured shirts and march,civil war might even break out and hate crimes flourish and maybe even terror attacks.we live in a fragile peace and compromise,something the americans and europeans and no idea about with their decades of warmongering and racial wars and the fact most of them lived in homogenious cultures for centuries.

its alright grant this guy his wish,singapore doesnt need anymore heros that could truly change the course and fate of history like tan kah kee or lim bo seng,just another coward to add to the sea of cowards we already have here.let him have a good life in the land of freedom of speech,just need to tone down the islamic rhetoric abit incase he catches a bullet in the head in another

Talk so much crap and only reveal how much of a brainwash , ill-informed, stupid and ignorant you are. Are you trying to get the forum going.. if it is so, then good effort.

 

[bodycells]

If the US does eventually grant him an asylum (which I doubt), then be it. They are going to regret by being sympathetic to him. They should instead focus on how he had mistreated and humiliated his own parents, especially with expletives. No organization in its right mind will ever consider taking in this bum. He'll never be the next Bill Gates, Steve Jobs or Mark Zuckerberg. In my opinion, he has wasted his life away.

you don't like him so you doubt it.. Look at the facts..i bet you will disagree with the facts.. ah.. sinkies..

 

[shittypore]

I bet my last dollar tat 30% or more wud be glad to seek asylum in US if possible, lets be honest wat has left for Sinkies in the own so called homeland!

 

[Kid278]

Oh.. his ego is wounded. is that the reason why you are moderated?

Do you think so, he is not a moderator anymore. I know he is kind of an ego maniac but I don't think he will stood so low getting a fellow member moderated because of ego injury.

 

[Kid278]

this guy is a coward,

You wrote one hell of a big load but that was history. We are now in the 21st century, a new order. If you're trying to call a spade a spade then you're no different. Take a good look of yourself in the mirror and see for yourself what you are. Courage is not the absence of fear. Smart minds works smartly.

 

[Kid278]

I bet my last dollar tat 30% or more wud be glad to seek asylum in US if possible, lets be honest wat has left for Sinkies in the own so called homeland!

Couldn't agree more with you. Living in a country with rights deprivations is not a country we can call home.

 

[jw5]

Couldn't you agree more with you. Living in a country with rights deprivations is not a country we can call home.

Couple Of Points:

1. The threadstarter of this thread is Gossipy Former Policeman Mark Andrew Yeo.

2. Cheers to you too.

 

[frenchbriefs]

You wrote one hell of a big load but that was history. We are now in the 21st century, a new order. If you're trying to call a spade a spade then you're no different. Take a good look of yourself in the mirror and see for yourself what you are. Courage is not the absence of fear. Smart minds works smartly.

Precisely I know myself well enough that I understand him best, the psyche of a coward thru and thru.when a person is desperate they will try to do anything,even awol seems trivial,it's easier to run than to face reality.u mistaken courage for fear and vice versa.

 

[frenchbriefs]

I bet my last dollar tat 30% or more wud be glad to seek asylum in US if possible, lets be honest wat has left for Sinkies in the own so called homeland!

Agreed this island is sunk,who wouldn't want better prospects and a better life if given a choice?It's no longer about politics or freedom anymore,the PAP has reduced the common denominator down to nothing working for peanuts just to keep the capitalism pyramid going.we are only one step away from slavery.this is no longer about prosperity and happiness as a country,it's about how cheaper and faster can u go to support our million dollar paycheck.

 

[Debonerman]

Couple Of Points:

1. The threadstarter of this thread is Gossipy Former Policeman Mark Andrew Yeo.

2. Cheers to you too.

Condolences. Your liked minded died!.....LOL

You are far. When I could have been your star. You listened to people. Who scared you to death, and from my heart. Strange that you were strong enough

 

[Kid278]

Precisely I know myself well enough that I understand him best, the psyche of a coward thru and thru.when a person is desperate they will try to do anything,even awol seems trivial,it's easier to run than to face reality.u mistaken courage for fear and vice versa.

Desperate time, desperate measures. It has nothing to do with cowardice, it's wisdom. I didn't mistaken, read between the lines. I said "Courage is not the absence of fear. Smart minds works smartly". He is young and circumstances gave him no chance to triumph over and conquer that fear.