• IP addresses are NOT logged in this forum so there's no point asking. Please note that this forum is full of homophobes, racists, lunatics, schizophrenics & absolute nut jobs with a smattering of geniuses, Chinese chauvinists, Moderate Muslims and last but not least a couple of "know-it-alls" constantly sprouting their dubious wisdom. If you believe that content generated by unsavory characters might cause you offense PLEASE LEAVE NOW! Sammyboy Admin and Staff are not responsible for your hurt feelings should you choose to read any of the content here.

    The OTHER forum is HERE so please stop asking.

Amg MO Ft in Jeopardy. Bank SUES him.Help him?

sammyboi

Alfrescian
Loyal
http://www.expatsingapore.com/forum/index.php/topic,57814.0.html

"I am in a stress mentally and emotionally. sorry for the long story, I hope somebody can advise.

Last year May08, I have purchased a car under hire purchase with a financial institution. Monthly repayment were prompt for beginning, then the collapse of economy, my business suddenly running down hill , then I started making late payments until a point I have to let the car go, I call the bank and told them to take back the car. I received a notice of intention to reposses the car from the bank in Apr 09, but the car was not repossess until sep09. the bank sold the car in Nov09. the bank is now sueing me for bankruptcy for a sum of $75k. the bank say that this is a force sale case, and breach of contract, refused to give me any interest rebates.

they have obtain a interlocutory judgement in May09 of a sum of $220k, interest at 10%pa start rolling on $220k starting from May09. In Aug09, they had a bankruptcy application made against me. I inform the bank and their lawyers about why aren't the interest rebates included in their calculation, and their unreasonable settlement amount calculation because they are sueing me for a sum substantially made of interest (full 10 years) and penalties (amount to abt $75k) which to a point I felt its extortionate. The bank then come back and offer me a waiver of $25k, but still the balance $50k is unreasonable, because i calculate abt $23k.
Anyone have such experiences before and how to handle it?"

PS:- sounds like deep shit...the OMV value of car is lower than his bank's outstanding after bank force sale.
i noe of some Fts who actually purchase a car not knowing the after effects. there's one victim above and several young punks also.
Brudders, give him some advise...get him into more shit.

Some FTs like the wellness SPa owners have RUN ROAD as well thinking SG is a haven for business...It's such a tourist trap. SIGH i feel for them....he's a DEBT SLAVE !
 

longbow

Alfrescian
Loyal
wah $220K car. Nice car. Yah expats better be careful. Cars are priced like a house back home.

Actually for FT if they run home can banks go after them?
 

sammyboi

Alfrescian
Loyal
wah $220K car. Nice car. Yah expats better be careful. Cars are priced like a house back home.

Actually for FT if they run home can banks go after them?

i think he re-financed with citigroup. bak in US with Credit scores and FICO, i think he'd better change his identity and live in thailand/Phillipines where laws don't exist. Most ang mos with criminal records back home, escape to faraway places like vietname, phillipines, thailand....its these ang mos u have to be careful .

most these expats dunno the obligations, they thought cheap monthly only 2.5k, but selling off would be like negative equity.

Expats esp ang mos (both brits and US), don't really have the physical money. most use unsecured credit, like credit cards. as they earn more they credit limit is in the range of 100k...thus they can buy 3 properties using credit.

But the new PRs are worst...they actually bought HOMES...the PAP has successfully suckered them into the SG system. This is done by propping up the rental market too high for expats, thus they actually BOUGHT homes in SG...all on credit.

my property agent friends dont really sell to ang mos, they prefer indians and malaysians......as they dunno the true value of HDB flats....so easy to con.

the agents also told me they prefer a certain age group of foriegners the GREEN HORNS.....

its situations like these where SUICIDE comes in.....yes..even for ang mos...
 
Last edited:

Meltdown

Alfrescian
Loyal
BRITISH EXPATS FLEE DUBAI

http://www.express.co.uk/features/view/83804/British-expats-flee-Dubai
Saturday February 7,2009
By John Triggs

AS thousands of British expats abandon their cars and flee back home rather than risk debtors` jail, we reveal how the dream life in the once-booming Gulf has collapsed in ruins...

THE party was big enough to be seen from space.

The opening celebrations of the £1billion Atlantis resort in Dubai last November cost more than £15million, and featured a firework display 10 times the size of the one that opened the Beijing Olympics.

Kylie Minogue was paid a reported £1.5million to perform and invitations were studded with hundreds of pounds' worth of Swarovski crystals.

The message behind the gems and pyrotechnics was clear: the rest of the world may be facing the worst recession for decades but Dubai, the vibrant city in the United Arab Emirates that has become a byword for luxury and excess, could still afford to blow tens of millions on a party.

With its almost four million expatriates, including 100,000 Brits, it would flourish; buoyed by financial, media and leisure firms drawn to its artificial shores by the promise of a tax-free income.

A little over two months later, the scene outside Dubai International airport tells a very different story.

Every day the police find cars abandoned by the international terminal, often with their keys in the ignition or stored in the glove compartment.

The sports cars, 4X4s, BMWs and Mercedes have been left there by members of the expatriate workforce.

Having lost their jobs in the economic meltdown, the owners realise they cannot pay back their loans and are simply driving to the airport and using the last bit of credit on their bank cards to buy a ticket home.


For in today's Dubai, the property prices British residents once boasted about to friends and family back home have slumped by more than half in a matter of months.

The second-hand car market is awash with Porsches going cheap and flea markets are flooded with designer clothes.

"The reality is thousands of people have lost their jobs and living the Dubai dream has turned into a nightmare, " says Emma, a magazine editor and long-term resident of the city.

Dubai's sharia laws mean those unable to pay their debts can be imprisoned, just as debtors were imprisoned in England in Victorian times.

Rather than face jail, the expats are heading for the airport before anyone realises how much money they owe, leaving the cars - and often heavily indebted credit cards - behind. Some have even left notes on the dashboard, apologising and explaining that their circumstances left them little choice.


As most of Dubai's banks are not affiliated to international banks, creditors have no way of getting their money back apart from selling vehicles at auctions. In the past three months about 3,000 cars have been sold off in this way.

Also, furnished rented apartments - once so hard to obtain that 12 months' rent had to be paid in advance - are being abandoned, their white goods and plasma screens seized by creditors.

About 20,000 British schoolchildren at private schools are expected to return to the UK because their parents have been made redundant.

When times were good, Dubai's banks, like those in the rest of the world, were eager to lend money without too many stringent checks.

But in Dubai there is no central credit authority to check a resident's credit rating and banks would lend money with no more than a blank undated cheque as collateral.

When a debtor failed to make a repayment and the cheque bounced, he or she would have committed an offence under Dubai law and would be imprisoned until a relative or friend could pay the outstanding debt for them.

Even in 2007, when times were good, 42 per cent of the 3,000 inmates in Dubai's central jail were there because they could not repay bank loans. The number of jailed debtors is expected to rise significantly.


Many of the first expatriates to leave were those manual labourers brought over to Dubai from India to build its lavish skyscrapers, hotels and famous artificial islands, such as Palm Jumeirah, the massive luxury isle shaped like a palm tree that is the home of the Atlantis resort.

But now richer white collar workers are abandoning the emirate in their droves.

As one expatriate British banker put it: "Those who used to spend their time buying up real estate are now spending it queueing up at the embassy to cancel their visas."

At the moment, 1,500 visas are cancelled every day in Dubai.

"While we were all enticed by a taxfree salary and year-round sunshine, when the going gets tough, there are few legal rights, " says Emma.

"UAE labour laws dictate that redundancy victims have one month to find new employment before their visa is revoked and they are ordered to leave the country. However, it sometimes takes much longer for end-of-service severance to be worked out."

Property values are expected to fall by up to 60 per cent this year and beach-side mansions on Palm Jumeirah are half the price they were before the recession.

"A friend who was a general manager for a high-end retailer has not been paid for three months and has been ekeing out an existence on earnings from poker games, despite the fact that gambling is officially illegal here, " says Emma.

"Others are selling their designer clothes in flea markets or wardrobe swap parties, which are new concepts in Dubai."

Since Sheikh Mohammed, the prime minister of the United Arab Emirates and the emir of Dubai, declared in 2002 that foreigners would be allowed to buy land in the city for the first time, many buildings have been bought and sold several times over before work finished on them.

Now more than 50 per cent of Dubai's construction projects, worth billions of pounds, have been postponed for more than a year or cancelled.

Even headline-grabbing building projects have been put on long-term hold.

Last month, the state-owned developer Nakheel announced that work on the Nakheel tower, a £12billion, kilometre-high skyscraper that was to be the tallest building in the world, would be shelved for at least another year.

In a sign of just how crazy the building boom in Dubai had become, work on the Nakheel tower started even before the Burj Dubai, currently the tallest man-made structure ever built, has been finished.

Already the developers have had to halve the original asking price of apartments in the Burj, which isn't due to be completed until September.

It's all very different from Sheikh Mohammed's dream of creating a city in the sand that could grow into a world capital of business and tourism.

Although Dubai has existed for hundreds of years there was no electricity or even a telephone line until the British introduced them in the Fifties.

The discovery of oil in the Seventies transformed its fortunes but Dubai has much less oil and natural gas than neighbouring Abu Dhabi, with sales accounting for only six per cent of Dubai's economy.

Instead Sheikh Mohammed decided to attract business and tourism by allowing foreigners to set up businesses and benefit from a ban on all personal income tax, property taxes and VAT.

Instead public revenue is generated by profits from state-owned utility companies and subsidised when necessary by the oil sales in Abu Dhabi, which sits on almost 10 per cent of the planet's oil reserves.

For a while it worked. Although Dubai's strict sharia laws ban drinking alcohol in public and limit public displays of affection, many Westerners found that they were still able to conduct a relatively hedonistic existence.

However, a few of them have been caught out.

As Vince Acors, the telecoms executive jailed last year after being accused of having sex on Jumeirah beach, put it: "Dubai is a massive contradiction - everything is illegal yet everything is available."

But this isn't the only contradiction in Dubai.

For now the city that prides itself on building everything bigger and better than anywhere in the world is facing a similarly vast exodus of those who once flocked there to make their fortunes.

http://www.express.co.uk/features/view/83804/British-expats-flee-Dubai
 

BlueCat

Alfrescian
Loyal
the biggest scam or shit is always caused by ang mo or ft.
so Dubai's government should go and get him.
 

sammyboi

Alfrescian
Loyal
that's pretty much the case, i guess it's western culture to chalk up debts where Asian confusioan culture is to SAVE SAVE and SAVE more.

is it advisable to do some "bottom fishing" ? in middle eastern funds ?
 

Aussie Pete

Alfrescian
Loyal
There's something fishy going on here. His use of English is not in the usual 'Ang Moh' style and is actually very poor... if he is truly caucasian, then it's no wonder his business went down - he cannot be very well educated.
 

shOUTloud

Alfrescian
Loyal
There's something fishy going on here. His use of English is not in the usual 'Ang Moh' style and is actually very poor... if he is truly caucasian, then it's no wonder his business went down - he cannot be very well educated.

Oh Aussie Pete, stop perpetuating the great myth that Ang Mohs are good at English. At most, they are good at pronunciation (ie speaking). When it comes to writing and reading, I think even the PRCs are better than the so-called experts from Britain and US (Australia included).

I worked with Ang Moh "consultants" before and they could not even string a full sentence without any grammatical and spelling errors.

Back to the thread, 200k for a car? I hope this angmoh gets sued for bankruptcy and get his PR/EP revoked. He is one of those fuckers who drive up the cost of living here wildly.
 

sammyboi

Alfrescian
Loyal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxed_Out

Maxed Out: Hard Times, Easy Credit and the Era of Predatory Lenders (2006) is an independent feature-length documentary film and (2007) book that chronicles abusive practices in the credit card industry. Written and directed by James Scurlock, the film and book use interviews with creditors, debtors, academics, and others to illustrate its story.[1] The film premiered at the South by Southwest Film Festival in Austin, Texas, USA, in 2006 where it claimed the Special Jury Prize. It went on to several film fests including Seattle, Full Frame Documentary, Maui, New Zealand, Milwaukee International, Woodstock, Bergen, Leeds International, Oxford and IDFA (Amsterdam) film festivals. It was released in movie theaters in select cities in the United States in March 2007 through Magnolia Pictures. The DVD was released nationally in June 7, 2007, in the joint effort Magnolia Pictures and Red Envelope Entertainment (a division of Netflix). The book Maxed Out is published by Scribner, a division of Simon and Schuster. It was published in March 2007 in hardcover and in December 2007 in paperback.

Scurlock's purpose for the film and book was to raise awareness of how credit and lending issues are affecting society.[1] The main premises of the documentary and book are that banks and other creditors deliberately market to people who are more likely to have problems paying predatory lending and that the creditors benefit from connections to government, the debt collection industry, and from lawmaker apathy.[2]

The non-profit organization Americans for Fairness in Lending (AFFIL) has organized screenings of Maxed Out around the country as part of its work. AFFIL sustains a formal collaboration with the film.

But ang mos like Aussie pete will be debts slaves of the new generation whether they like it or not.
 

limpeh2

Alfrescian
Loyal
I worked with Ang Moh "consultants" before and they could not even string a full sentence without any grammatical and spelling errors.

That much is true.
In fact, among the English speaking westerners, I've come to the realisation that arsetralians're particularly bad in their written communication, EVEN when they're supposedly "highly-educated" (Year 12 & university-graduates). Their inability to spell is legendary as is their habitual use of colloquial terms that NOBODY outside arsetralia comprehends.

Back to the thread, 200k for a car? I hope this angmoh gets sued for bankruptcy and get his PR/EP revoked. He is one of those fuckers who drive up the cost of living here wildly.
Maybe his chiap-cheng monkey & his herpes ridden SPG wife can work Geylang to help repay his debt$.
 

sammyboi

Alfrescian
Loyal
There's something fishy going on here. His use of English is not in the usual 'Ang Moh' style and is actually very poor... if he is truly caucasian, then it's no wonder his business went down - he cannot be very well educated.

You're right about something, even Koshore ubiliani said this in his good new bad news Surmon. :-

http://www.mahbubani.net/

The goodnews :- Rural asians are better than ANG mos..

The bad news :- ANGmos still don't get it

The New Asian Hemisphere, The Good News
The New Asian Hemisphere, The Bad News
http://www.mahbubani.net/video.html
 

annexa

Alfrescian
Loyal
There's something fishy going on here. His use of English is not in the usual 'Ang Moh' style and is actually very poor... if he is truly caucasian, then it's no wonder his business went down - he cannot be very well educated.

Maybe he is Russian or one of those non English Ang Mo?
 
Top