Serious AMDKs confirmed two CECA Rafales shot down by Tiong jets!

[Pinkieslut]

Exclusive: Pakistan's Chinese-made jet brought down two Indian fighter aircraft, US officials say​

Idrees AliMay 9, 20253:27 AM GMT+8Updated an hour ago

ISLAMABAD/WASHINGTON, May 8 (Reuters) - A top Chinese-made Pakistani fighter plane shot down at least two Indian military aircraft on Wednesday, two U.S. officials told Reuters, marking a major milestone for Beijing's advanced fighter jet.

An Indian Air Force spokesperson said he had no comment when asked about the Reuters report.

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The performance of a leading Chinese fighter jet against a Western rival is being closely watched in Washington for insights into how Beijing might fare in any showdown over Taiwan or the wider Indo-Pacific.

One U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said there was high confidence that Pakistan had used the Chinese-made J-10 aircraft to launch air-to-air missiles against Indian fighter jets - bringing down at least two.

Another official said at least one Indian jet that was shot down was a French-made Rafale fighter aircraft.

Both officials said Pakistan's F-16 aircraft, made by Lockheed Martin (LMT.N), were not used in the shootdown.
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Delhi has not acknowledged the loss of any of its planes and instead said it carried out successful strikes against what it said was "terrorist" infrastructure inside Pakistan.

World powers from the U.S. to Russia and China have called for calm in one of the world's most dangerous, and most populated, nuclear flashpoint regions.
In France, Rafale manufacturer Dassault Aviation (AM.PA) and the MBDA (AIR.PA), (BAES.L), (LDOF.MI) consortium, which makes the Meteor air-to-air missile, could not immediately be reached for comment on a public holiday.
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While Reuters reported on Wednesday that three Indian planes went down, citing local government officials in India, this marks the first Western confirmation that Pakistan's Chinese-made jets were used in the shootdowns.
Pakistan’s Defense minister, Khawaja Muhammad Asif, told Reuters on Thursday that the J-10 was used to shoot down three French-made Rafale planes, which were newly acquired by India.

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Altogether, Pakistan says it downed five Indian planes in air-to-air combat.

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The Rafale and the model of the J-10 used by Pakistan are both considered generation 4.5 fighter jets, placing them at the leading edge of combat aircraft.

Western analysts and defense industry sources said the live use of some of the advanced weapons that could be deployed in future major power conflicts would be scrutinized in minute detail, but emphasized it was too early to draw firm conclusions.

"Air warfare communities in China, the U.S. and a number of European countries will be extremely interested to try and get as much ground truth as they can on tactics, techniques, procedures, what kit was used, what worked and what didn't," said Douglas Barrie, senior fellow for military aerospace at the International Institute for Strategic Studies.

Social media posts highlighted the face-off between China's PL-15 air-to-air missile against the Meteor, produced by European missile group MBDA (AIR.PA)(BAES.L)(LDOF.MI).
But the analysts and sources said crucial details were unclear including whether Meteors were carried or how they may have been deployed.

"At the moment it's not possible to judge anything. We know so little," a Western defense industry source said.

Nuclear-armed India and Pakistan have fought three major wars, as well as numerous smaller conflicts.

Blasts rang out across the city of Jammu in Indian Kashmir late on Thursday during what Indian military sources said they suspected was a Pakistani drone attack across the region on the second day of clashes between the neighbors.

Pakistan said earlier on Thursday it shot down 25 drones from India overnight, while India said its air defenses had stopped Pakistani drone and missile attacks on military targets.

Reporting by Saeed Shah in Islamabad and Idrees Ali in Washington; Additional reporting by Tim Hepher in Paris and Shivam Patel in New Delhi; Editing by Don Durfee and Matthew Lewis

 

[Eisenhut]

Its an integrated air defence system. The Radar is impressive

 

[superpower]

The PLA 15 air to air missile has a range of 200km. The Indian planes were shot down 100km behind the Indian borders.

The latest generation Chinese missiles have a range of 1000km.

India is still in denial that she has lost the air battle. The French have admitted that Rafale jets were shot down. The Americans concurred. The French claimed that it was the poor training of the Indian pilots and forbade the Indian Airforce from using the Rafale jets in this conflict.

 

[Hightech88]

The French claimed that it was the poor training of the Indian pilots and forbade the Indian Airforce from using the Rafale jets in this conflict.

CECAs sleeping on the job as usual. Give them the best weapons also useless when they don't know how to use properly, LOL.

 

[syed putra]

The French claimed that it was the poor training of the Indian pilots and forbade the Indian Airforce from using the Rafale jets in this conflict.

You bought em, you use em. No such thing as bought but cannot use. What ludicrous sentiments by French.

China made jets, just like it's clothing and handbags factories, just depreciated expensive Western made weapons and turn it worthless.
Purchase contracts will be cancelled.

 

[Willamshakespear]

The insignificant nobody me is not really sure why there are so many independent threads on the same subject. Is it to score individual brownie points??...My apologies to anyone if offended...

This is from me on another thread.

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It may not be pilot or aircraft incompetence. The insignificant nobody me will rather that you decide WHO is incompetent.

1, According to sources, Operation Sindoor was initiated by India, to strike at the PAK border that houses PAK terrorists compounds.

2. There were a total of 125 aircraft jets in the air at the borders of both sides, caught in an aerial battle lasting 25mins, BUT both sides were firing their missiles from afar within their own borders.

3. India claims that the aircrafts targets were the terrorist compounds. Thus, they MAY had NO instructions to fire at PAK jets, which both sides knew from air def systems on ground. Not in attack mode, their missiles were not armed & locked on to PAK jets, but only upon the terrorist compounds.

4.However, PAK had claimed the right of defense, to shoot down India jets EVEN if those India jets are flying in India own airspace. Thus PAK pilots had missile lock on to the jets, which means the India jets were caught in a surprise ambush, as India & Pak had NOT declared war on each other, & thus those unprepared for aerial combat India jets were shot down.

5. With NO clear instructions, India jets probably moved further back into their national territory, rather than to risk an all out war.....

 

[A Singaporean]

This must be fake news. How can Cina make just high quality planes. Any ACS can tell you that.

 

[syed putra]

This must be fake news. How can Cina make just high quality planes. Any ACS can tell you that.

China made kites 5000 years ago. Their experience in aerodynamics is without words.

 

[Pinkieslut]

CECAs sleeping on the job as usual. Give them the best weapons also useless when they don't know how to use properly, LOL.

Of course result of having Uptron trained pilots. Don’t know why SIA so happy to hire these talents.

 

[Pinkieslut]

CECAs sleeping on the job as usual. Give them the best weapons also useless when they don't know how to use properly, LOL.

Of course result of having Uptron trained pilots. Don’t know why SIA so happy to hire these talents.

 

[superpower]

 

[red amoeba]

1) Paki tv shows plane wreckages
2) this is conflict and if Indian air force is not tracking enemy plane movements and get shot inside own territory that’s even bigger humiliation.
3) if it’s untrue Indian Air Force would have deny at first instance. By keeping quiet its admitting they ate shit.

 

[Loofydralb]

IAF didn't buy the planes that have cockpit covers that can shake head like indians can. That will confuse missiles aimed at them when the cockpit covers can shake it's head.

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