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Serious AMDKs' Balls Shrinked! Tiongs Making 7NM Chips Despite Embargo!

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China seems to have figured out how to make 7nm chips despite US sanctions​

Foiled again, Team America​

Dylan MartinFri 22 Jul 2022 // 17:55 UTC

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Chinese semiconductor giant SMIC has reportedly been manufacturing 7-nanometer chips since last year, the best sign yet that China has found a way to develop advanced components despite US efforts to curb the country's homegrown silicon capabilities.
This is based on findings from American semiconductor analyst firm TechInsights, which recently bought a cryptocurrency-mining ASIC manufactured by SMIC and found that it uses a 7nm process after doing a study of the chip's die. The ASIC is designed by a company called MinerVa, which has been mass producing the chip since July 2021, according to its website.
TechInsights said SMIC's 7nm process appears to be a "close copy" of the one used by Taiwanese foundry giant TSMC. However, the firm said the custom chip was likely a "steppingstone" for SMIC achieving a "true 7nm process" that includes both scaled logic and memory bitcells.
The reason for this is crypto-mining ASICs "likely do not feature the typical bitcell memory that true 7nm technology definition requires," so it's more feasible that the chip is mostly a demonstration of 7nm logic.


"This is the most advanced technology product TechInsights has seen from SMIC so far and may be leading to a true 7nm process that incorporates scaled logic and memory bitcells," TechInsights said.
The development will likely be received as bad news for the US government, which has been trying to slow down China's ability to manufacture advanced chips over national security concerns.
While the 7nm crypto-mining chip is probably meant for consumer or commercial use, the process node will likely end up in military applications in China due to the country's "military-civil fusion" doctrine, where private companies must share their technologies with the nation's military.
China's military technology push was the reason Uncle Sam added SMIC, the Middle Kingdom's largest domestic chipmaker, to the US Treasury Department's entity list in December 2020. This was meant to prevent SMIC from acquiring certain American technologies. The United States put a specific restriction in place for items that would allow SMIC to manufacture chips at 10nm or lower.
Even before that, the US had successfully pressured the Dutch government to block ASML — the only provider of extreme ultraviolet light (EUV) lithography machines used to make chips on leading-edge nodes, such as 7nm — from selling such systems to China.
Despite these efforts, China has apparently managed to create finished products on a 7nm node.
One reason SMIC can do this is because EUV systems are not mandatory when crafting leading-edge chips. Instead, the chipmaker is likely using an older generation of lithography machines, called deep ultraviolet lithography (DUV), to manufacture 7nm chips.
There is precedent for this. TSMC and Samsung developed multiple 7nm nodes without EUV before adopting the machines for newer processes. However, this did come "at the cost of increased process complexity and design rule restrictions," TechInsights said. The foundry giants are now using EUV to reduce the complexity and costs of making such chips.
The implication is that while SMIC has the ability to make 7nm chips, it won't be easy. This also means the company will have to deal with more yield issues than if it were using EUV, according to TechInsights.
This is likely one reason the US has reportedly been trying to convince officials in the Netherlands to block ASML from selling DUV systems to China, though DUV is used more widely to produce less advanced chips for a wide range of devices. According to a BusinessKorea report, SMIC plans to invest $11 billion to grow its DUV capacity by 2023.
Chip world watcher Dylan Patel noted another implication for SMIC's 7nm capabilities. He said the development means China is now further ahead than the US or Europe in having 7nm contract chip manufacturing capabilities since American chipmaker Intel has yet to make its 7nm process available to foundry customers.
This isn't great since one of the two other regions with advanced chip foundry capabilities, Taiwan, is facing continuous aggression from China, which has sparked fears that losing access to the island nation's chips could trigger a "deep and immediate recession" in the US. ®
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Not "despite". It's because of the embargo

If a problem ever becomes a national security issue, the Chinese leaders will throw everything and everyone to overcome it
 

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Fast forward One year later.... It ish still the same same but not the same 7nm chip found in Huawei Mate60 pro
 

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If tiong-cock so powderful then why Huawei don't dare reveal who made the SoC? Why the phone won't show 5G connection? Why is there so much cooling needed in the phone?
 

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US damn dumb , cos those equipment fir srmicon ,many buyer did not actually make full use of its capabilities, this is the outcome
 

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Is it real 7nm or extrapolated type? LOL.
Having worked for two tiong companies before, I can tell you these fucking tiongs always 话中有话. They like to beat around the bush and let you guess this and that. When you are ambiguous, you will always have the upper hand.
Fuck tiongs.
 

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Tiongs should forget about microchips and spend more effort in growing their own food.

When you starve to death, it doesn't matter what nm microchips you have.
 

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All videos on reviewing the Mate 60 Pro have been taken down. Apparently Huawei doesn't want people to know too much about the SoC....心里有鬼吗? :laugh:

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Having worked for two tiong companies before, I can tell you these fucking tiongs always 话中有话. They like to beat around the bush and let you guess this and that. When you are ambiguous, you will always have the upper hand.
Fuck tiongs.
I remembered the time when Google restricted access to it's software for Huawei and Huawei said will develop their own OS. Till now. No sight n no sound
 

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US is not threatened at all. Chip factories will start operating there soon. The most advance chip will be build there. US will be number one again.
 

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US lawmaker calls for ending Huawei, SMIC exports after chip breakthrough​

September 7, 20234:32 AM GMT+8Updated 3 hours ago
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Sept 6 (Reuters) - The U.S. Commerce Department should end all technology exports to Huawei and China's top semiconductor firm following the discovery of new chips in Huawei phones that may violate trade restrictions, the chair of the House of Representatives' committee on China said on Wednesday.
The comments from Representative Mike Gallagher, an influential Republican lawmaker whose select committee has pressed the Biden administration to take a tougher stance on sending U.S. technology to China, come after Chinese electronics giant Huawei (HWT.UL) last week started selling a phone called the Mate 60 Pro. The phone contains a chip that analysts believe was made with a technology breakthrough by Semiconductor International Manufacturing Corp (SMIC) (0981.HK).
"This chip likely could not be produced without US technology and thus SMIC may have violated the Department of Commerce’s Foreign Direct Product Rule," Gallagher said in a statement. "The time has come to end all U.S. technology exports to both Huawei and SMIC to make clear any firm that flouts U.S. law and undermines our national security will be cut off from our technology."
Huawei was placed on a trade blacklist in May 2019 over national security concerns, forcing its U.S. suppliers and others to obtain a special license to ship goods to it. SMIC was added to the so-called entity list in December 2020, over fears it could divert advanced technology to military users.
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The trade restrictions imposed on Huawei and SMIC include the Foreign Direct Product Rule meant to bar any company anywhere in the world from using tools from the United States to manufacture a chip for Huawei.
But suppliers to Huawei and SMIC have received billions of dollars' worth of licenses to sell U.S. technology to the companies despite their being on the trade lists, Reuters has previously reported. About 90% of the licenses were for sales to SMIC.
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The U.S. Commerce Department's bureau overseeing export controls did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
Reporting by Stephen Nellis in San Francisco; Editing by Leslie Adler
 

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Chips, Silk and Paper: You Can’t Keep Secrets Forever
The Huawei semiconductor breakthrough is just part of a long history of the spread — or theft — of what we now call intellectual property

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A Kirin 9000s chip fabricated in China by Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corp.
A Kirin 9000s chip fabricated in China by Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corp. Photographer: James Park/Bloomberg
5 September 2023 at 12:00 GMT+8
China appears to have built a chip that matches some of the West’s most advanced semiconductors. While it may alarm US defense experts and sanctions proponents, the development shouldn’t have been too surprising. Industrial secrets are impossible to keep for long, as the Chinese themselves know from millennia of what we’d now call intellectual property lost by way of trade, theft and war. No one has a monopoly on innovation.

The progress toward parity with the West was revealed in a teardown conducted for Bloomberg News of the latest smartphone from Huawei Technologies Co., which utilizes a chip made by Shanghai-based Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corp. The Kirin 9000s chip is still two generations behind the most advanced Western products. At 7 nanometers, it will soon be outdistanced by the even thinner 3-nanometer chip that Apple Inc. will use in its next iPhone. Still, it reflects a porousness that lets knowhow slip through stringent US sanctions.
 
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