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Am I sick in my mind? I actually find this MILF attractive....
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you sadomasochistic person? derives pleasure from pain and suffering? Don't end up like the german guy who volunteered himself to be eaten by his gay partner.
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This woman is like the Incredible Sulk. Really a bad person on the inside and out.
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One look at her sullen face and can tell her cheebye is as dry as sand
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That's why she's probably only good for a blowjob
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I hope that both become maids when they enter the chalets and eat maggie mee every day....lol
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HIS wife’s obsession with cleanliness was so bad that their son ran away from home in 2010. This was the reason that Lim Choon Hong, 47, gave to the court for why Ms Thelma Oyasan Gawidan, 40, was made to bathe in the third floor public shower in his Cuscaden apartment in the upscale Orchard area.
Lim was in court today to defend himself against allegations that he had mistreated his domestic helper between January 2013 and April 2014. When she testified in court on Monday (Dec 14) Ms Thelma alleged that her employers would only feed her instant noodles and bread, and would make her shower in cold water in the condominium’s public toilet twice a week.
His wife, Chong Sui Foon, 47, a homemaker, was diagnosed with Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD) and would take hours just to clean a cupboard. For example, if she took out clothes from the cupboard, she would find a clean spot to place them or use a plastic sheet. Before Ms Thelma cleaned a room, Chong would require her to shower and change into new clothes. But between February and March 2014, Chong decided to “do away with cleaning the bedroom,” said Lim. So the family would camp out in the living room.
“It was like a religion to her,” Lim said to the court. “A lot of things we would keep to the bare minimum for fear of wasting time”. He added: “Anytime any one of us showers we have to spring clean the toilet, so we might as well don’t shower as it takes so much time. We brought Thelma to the toilet also for Thelma’s sake, so you don’t need to clean.”
“I also use the toilet on level three to shower. It’s so troublesome to use the toilet in the unit.”
Lim, who is a businessman with four children, also alleged that the family barely had time to shower due to their hectic lifestyle. In the day, if they were not asleep, it was not always possible to use the public shower as other residents would use the toilets. At night, there would be “chaos in the house” because of dinner time and his children would return home, hence there would be “no time to shower”.
Initially Ms Thelma would shower every day, and there was “no such thing as once a week”, according to Lim.
Due to Chong’s “love for cleanliness”, there was “zero cooking”. That was why the family always packed food from outside, said Lim. “If the kitchen is dirty, to actually clean it takes a long time… we don’t stock food. There’s no snacks or fruits because got crumbs or got juice”.
“[Her OCD] would cause stress in the household for years, but never harmed anyone,” he added.
Lim however, on the other hand “never restricted [Ms Thelma] on anything”, he said. “You want to eat just say, I will buy for you.”
For example, he would buy her mixed rice, fruit juice and barley when he brought her to the market. When they were in Hong Kong for a family vacation in June 2013, Lim brought Ms Thelma along to “give her a break”. The wife and children came in a later flight so the employer and his maid had the whole day together. “In order to kill time I brought her sightseeing… I just wanted to show her around Hong Kong. She had to eat so we went for meals.”
First, they went to Starbucks for coffee. For lunch, the duo went to Crystal Jade where they had rice, vegetables and dim sum. The quantity was adequate for two people as he “tended to order a lot”, Lim said. The bill amounted to around HKD$500 (S$80). According to Lim, Ms Thelma consumed three-quarters of the meal as he didn’t eat much. For dinner, both went to McDonald’s where Lim ordered a Big Mac meal for Ms Thelma, which consisted of Coke and fries.
Lim said he was like a “guardian” to Ms Thelma during that day.
During a family barbecue at Lim’s sister-in-law’s house in November 2013, Lim said that Ms Thelma had helped herself to the table that was “packed with food” which included nasi goreng, squid, satay, and sausages. “She was happy and I could see her enjoying herself,” said Lim. He added that she was also interacting with the five other maids there.
However in the house, Chong would be the one in charge of food. Lim did not want to intervene because his wife has “food issues” which “applies to everyone in the family”, and not just to Ms Thelma. Chong herself subsisted mainly on bread and nothing else. “Simple and bland food,” said Lim. Chong was treated for anorexia nervosa as a teenager.
Even though Ms Thelma “looked frail” when she returned from her four-month stay at Lim’s mother-in-law’s Bedok flat when Lim’s family went overseas intermittently, Lim “did not read too much into it as Ms Thelma was “eating well”.
Lim said that Ms Thelma did not do any chores at his mother-in-law’s flat and ate “three meals a day” and he let her stay there because he “wanted to let her have a normal life”. Ms Thelma had agreed to work at night and rest in the day during her employment because it matched Mr Lim’s work schedule. He arranged the stays at the Bedok flat as a break for Ms Thelma because he knew “this kind of work places stress on the body.”
Even after Lim was repeatedly questioned by the prosecution on the appearance of his domestic helper, he maintained that he didn’t “observe her”. He added: “As long as she doesn’t complain, I don’t read too much into it.”
From what Lim understood, Ms Thelma’s first meal would consist of bread and instant noodles. Her second meal would consist of rice, meat, and the occasional vegetables and egg. Meat would be a given, he said. However DPP Sella Kumaran pointed out that as Lim did not prepare the food himself, nor did he see Ms Thelma consuming it, he could not be certain of what was fed to Ms Thelma or whether she was eating it.
“I believe it… Why would you give her bread and not rice [if it’s available]? She would have eaten, but exactly when I don’t know,” said Lim to the court. “I’m sure she was eating. If she’s not eating, she will tell me, why would she keep quiet?”
Lim, who broke down twice in court, said: “I just believe it’s a set of unfortunate circumstances that has led to this trial. My wife is simple, not academically inclined. I do believe what she has done is not intentional.”
He added: “She didn’t do this to hurt anyone. There’s no point. Why would you want to deprive another human being of food? Thelma has lost weight. It’s definitely not my wife’s evil intentions.”
The trial will resume in early 2016.
Lim was in court today to defend himself against allegations that he had mistreated his domestic helper between January 2013 and April 2014. When she testified in court on Monday (Dec 14) Ms Thelma alleged that her employers would only feed her instant noodles and bread, and would make her shower in cold water in the condominium’s public toilet twice a week.
His wife, Chong Sui Foon, 47, a homemaker, was diagnosed with Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD) and would take hours just to clean a cupboard. For example, if she took out clothes from the cupboard, she would find a clean spot to place them or use a plastic sheet. Before Ms Thelma cleaned a room, Chong would require her to shower and change into new clothes. But between February and March 2014, Chong decided to “do away with cleaning the bedroom,” said Lim. So the family would camp out in the living room.
“It was like a religion to her,” Lim said to the court. “A lot of things we would keep to the bare minimum for fear of wasting time”. He added: “Anytime any one of us showers we have to spring clean the toilet, so we might as well don’t shower as it takes so much time. We brought Thelma to the toilet also for Thelma’s sake, so you don’t need to clean.”
“I also use the toilet on level three to shower. It’s so troublesome to use the toilet in the unit.”
Lim, who is a businessman with four children, also alleged that the family barely had time to shower due to their hectic lifestyle. In the day, if they were not asleep, it was not always possible to use the public shower as other residents would use the toilets. At night, there would be “chaos in the house” because of dinner time and his children would return home, hence there would be “no time to shower”.
Initially Ms Thelma would shower every day, and there was “no such thing as once a week”, according to Lim.
Due to Chong’s “love for cleanliness”, there was “zero cooking”. That was why the family always packed food from outside, said Lim. “If the kitchen is dirty, to actually clean it takes a long time… we don’t stock food. There’s no snacks or fruits because got crumbs or got juice”.
“[Her OCD] would cause stress in the household for years, but never harmed anyone,” he added.
Lim however, on the other hand “never restricted [Ms Thelma] on anything”, he said. “You want to eat just say, I will buy for you.”
For example, he would buy her mixed rice, fruit juice and barley when he brought her to the market. When they were in Hong Kong for a family vacation in June 2013, Lim brought Ms Thelma along to “give her a break”. The wife and children came in a later flight so the employer and his maid had the whole day together. “In order to kill time I brought her sightseeing… I just wanted to show her around Hong Kong. She had to eat so we went for meals.”
First, they went to Starbucks for coffee. For lunch, the duo went to Crystal Jade where they had rice, vegetables and dim sum. The quantity was adequate for two people as he “tended to order a lot”, Lim said. The bill amounted to around HKD$500 (S$80). According to Lim, Ms Thelma consumed three-quarters of the meal as he didn’t eat much. For dinner, both went to McDonald’s where Lim ordered a Big Mac meal for Ms Thelma, which consisted of Coke and fries.
Lim said he was like a “guardian” to Ms Thelma during that day.
During a family barbecue at Lim’s sister-in-law’s house in November 2013, Lim said that Ms Thelma had helped herself to the table that was “packed with food” which included nasi goreng, squid, satay, and sausages. “She was happy and I could see her enjoying herself,” said Lim. He added that she was also interacting with the five other maids there.
However in the house, Chong would be the one in charge of food. Lim did not want to intervene because his wife has “food issues” which “applies to everyone in the family”, and not just to Ms Thelma. Chong herself subsisted mainly on bread and nothing else. “Simple and bland food,” said Lim. Chong was treated for anorexia nervosa as a teenager.
Even though Ms Thelma “looked frail” when she returned from her four-month stay at Lim’s mother-in-law’s Bedok flat when Lim’s family went overseas intermittently, Lim “did not read too much into it as Ms Thelma was “eating well”.
Lim said that Ms Thelma did not do any chores at his mother-in-law’s flat and ate “three meals a day” and he let her stay there because he “wanted to let her have a normal life”. Ms Thelma had agreed to work at night and rest in the day during her employment because it matched Mr Lim’s work schedule. He arranged the stays at the Bedok flat as a break for Ms Thelma because he knew “this kind of work places stress on the body.”
Even after Lim was repeatedly questioned by the prosecution on the appearance of his domestic helper, he maintained that he didn’t “observe her”. He added: “As long as she doesn’t complain, I don’t read too much into it.”
From what Lim understood, Ms Thelma’s first meal would consist of bread and instant noodles. Her second meal would consist of rice, meat, and the occasional vegetables and egg. Meat would be a given, he said. However DPP Sella Kumaran pointed out that as Lim did not prepare the food himself, nor did he see Ms Thelma consuming it, he could not be certain of what was fed to Ms Thelma or whether she was eating it.
“I believe it… Why would you give her bread and not rice [if it’s available]? She would have eaten, but exactly when I don’t know,” said Lim to the court. “I’m sure she was eating. If she’s not eating, she will tell me, why would she keep quiet?”
Lim, who broke down twice in court, said: “I just believe it’s a set of unfortunate circumstances that has led to this trial. My wife is simple, not academically inclined. I do believe what she has done is not intentional.”
He added: “She didn’t do this to hurt anyone. There’s no point. Why would you want to deprive another human being of food? Thelma has lost weight. It’s definitely not my wife’s evil intentions.”
The trial will resume in early 2016.
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They had no intention of depriving their Filipino maid of food and causing her to lose 20kg during her stint in Singapore.
That was the testimony Wednesday (16 Dec) of Lim Choon Hong, the former employer of Thelma Oyasan Gawidan.
Holding back his tears as he took the stand, Lim said that Chong was a simple person with only primary school education, and she had been diagnosed with obsessive compulsive disorder (OCD) and anorexia nervosa.
“It definitely was not because of my wife's evil intention or wickedness in her heart. It cannot be seen as she did it out of purpose," said the 47 year-old businessmen on the third day of the trial.
“Why would you want to deprive another human being of food? It was never like that," he said.
Gawidan claimed that her former employer had starved her and given her very little food when she was working for them for 15 months from January 2013.
The Filipina ran away from Lim’s residence on 18 April last year and sought refuge at a shelter run by the Humanitarian Organisation for Migrant Economics (Home).
Lim added that his wife was diagnosed with anorexia when she was 17 years old, and he had only discovered the condition after they got married.
Lim and Chong face one charge each of contravening the Employment of Foreign Manpower (Work Passes) Regulations 2012. If convicted, Lim and Chong both face a fine of up to $10,000 or imprisonment of up to 12 months, or both.
Diagnosed with OCD
Lim said that he took 47-year-old Chong to a psychiatrist after discovering that his wife was obsessed with cleanliness. The psychiatrist then diagnosed her with OCD.
According to Lim, Chong would spend hours cleaning a wardrobe, as she would have to first empty the wardrobe first and then place the clothes at a clean place before proceeding to wipe the wardrobe clean.
The whole process he said, could take hours to complete and it affected the family greatly.
Chong’s obsession with cleanliness meant that there was hardly any cooking done at home with the family buying packed food to consume at home.
“I have four children and my second boy ran away in 2010 due to my wife’s tendencies,” he said, adding that his wife is currently on medication.
It was Chong’s condition that led to Gawidan being asked shower at a public toilet near the swimming pool of their condominium.
“She was not the only one who bathed at the public toilet. I do that too. It is because if we shower at home, we need to clean up after that," he said. “My wife do not even want to see a single strand of hair in the toilet after we shower."
Wife runs the household
When questioned by Deputy Public Prosecutor (DPP) Sellakumaran about the decision making in his Orchard Road condominium residence, Lim admitted that his wife was in charge of running the household including deciding on Gawidan’s daily food intake.
“I don’t interfere with her decision(s) and I did not notice that Thelma (Gawidan) had lost weight drastically in November 2014. I assumed that she was eating her meals regularly as she did not complain to me," he said.
“She did tell me something about the food in genera,l but I told her not to intervene as it is my wife who decides when it comes to food preparation in the household,” he recalled.
Maid agency owner's testimony
Earlier on Wednesday morning, the owner of the maid agency that assisted Lim to secure the services of Gawidan in 2013 took the stand.
Toh Ah Choon, the owner of KC Toh Enterprises, said that Lim had previously used his services to secure maids in the past.
Toh said that Lim had employed a few maids prior to Gawidan and highlighted a complaint made by the first maid that worked for the family.
“The first Indonesian maid did say that she was only given instant noodles when she was working for Lim,” he said.
Toh added that he was informed of Gawidan’s conditions by the Philippines embassy and immediately attempted to contact Lim.
“We tried calling him but there was no answer,” he said.
The trial is adjourned until 30 December for a pre-trial conference to decide on the next set of hearing dates.
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