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AIG Collapse

Lestat

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Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090318/ts_alt_afp/uspoliticsinsurancepublicaidaig_20090318015616

WASHINGTON (AFP) – US Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said that the government would work with AIG chief executive Edward Liddy to "wind down" the troubled insurer "in an orderly way."

In a letter to lawmakers Geithner addressed what he described as "considerable outrage" stemming from 160-million-dollar bonuses paid to AIG top executives, and said his department would "explore any and all responsible ways to accelerate this wind down process."

He said he would "work with" AIG chief executive Edward Liddy "on measures to wind down AIG in an orderly way and protect the American taxpayer."

AIG, which received billions in US bailout funds, is also to pay back the government for the hefty bonuses shelled out to top executives, Geithner said.

Geithner's statement comes as revelations about the staggering bonuses which were awarded to employees of the giant US insurer fueled a political firestorm.

The controversy engulfing bailed-out American International Group threatened to turn nasty amid reports of death threats against AIG workers, and posed a critical test of President Barack Obama's economic revival plans.

Lawmakers had been looking at punitive tax measures to reclaim the bonuses paid largely to the same London-based financial products traders who brought ruin to AIG and helped to ignite the global financial crisis.

Senator Charles Grassley, the top Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, refused to disavow a remark that AIG executives should go the way of disgraced Japanese leaders in choosing resignation or suicide.

The Iowa lawmaker declared that "from my standpoint, it's irresponsible for corporations to give bonuses at this time, when they're sucking the tit of the taxpayer."

New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo disclosed that last Friday, AIG had paid out more than 160 million dollars in bonuses to staff at its financial products unit.

Cuomo, who slapped subpoenas on AIG Monday as part of a probe into Wall Street excess, said 73 AIG employees had each received bonuses of one million dollars or more.

The top 10 recipients were paid a total of 42 million dollars, with one executive getting 6.4 million alone. And 11 executives quit AIG despite being paid "retention" bonuses of at least a million dollars each to stay.

Government-appointed AIG boss Edward Liddy, who faces a grilling at a forthcoming congressional hearing, was sent a letter from Senate Democrats demanding he renegotiate the employees' bonuses or else legislation would be pushed through to tax them at more than 90 percent.

"Given the fact that it was the employees in this unit that brought your firm to the brink of bankruptcy and caused such havoc in the world, rewarding them is not only morally reprehensible, but entirely indefensible on any business grounds," the letter said.

AIG was saved from bankruptcy last September because the government deemed its intricate web of ties with banks worldwide posed an imminent risk of financial meltdown not just for the United States but globally.

With Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner accused of bungling the controversy, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs meanwhile said Obama had "complete confidence" in his economic overseer.

Gibbs added that "everybody is offended by every aspect" of the bonuses at a time when millions of Americans have lost their jobs in the worst recession for decades.

Republicans turned up the political heat on Obama, who must ride the public fury against Wall Street while shoring up congressional support for forthcoming measures to prop up tottering banks.

House Minority Leader John Boehner said Republicans had long been calling for more protections to ensure that taxpayers know how 700 billion in bailout dollars are being spent by financial institutions.

"It is time for the administration to provide Congress and American taxpayers an exit strategy that will get the federal government out of the private sector and out of the bailout business," he said.

Barney Frank, the Democratic chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, noted that the US taxpayer now controls 80 percent of AIG's equity after pumping 180 billion dollars into the company.

"I think the time has come to exercise our ownership rights," he said, as a new poll by CNN and Opinion Research Corp. showed strong public support for the outright nationalization of distressed banks.
 

Royston46

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Wau! So fast sia! :eek:

I still tot they can last another week or so!?!

Oh well, time to renew my car insurance with another company...

:cool:
 

annexa

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Harvard, Yale, UPenn, Cornell, Carnigie grads any one? Top talents. Confirm good results as shown above.
 

denzuko1

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If you look at it in another way, the government is going to help them with 30Bn (30,000,000,000). 160Mil is 0.5%. It is interesting to see how politician attempt to politicise to gain support.
 

zhihau

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If you look at it in another way, the government is going to help them with 30Bn (30,000,000,000). 160Mil is 0.5%. It is interesting to see how politician attempt to politicise to gain support.

i pity the American Citizens at times like this... :eek::eek::eek:
 

denzuko1

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i pity the American Citizens at times like this... :eek::eek::eek:


Its part and parcel of life, my friend.

Just look at Russia, when it collapsed during the early 2000, everyone think that they are a goner. Long queue for a piece of bread, women turned to prostitution, Mafia control the city, etc.

Well, Mafia is still there now, but the country manage to make a come back, partly because of oil and partly its people bite the bullet.

If Americans are willing to bite the bullet, they will make a come back.
 
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AIG Collapse?

Is there any difference between

Winding Down and Winding Up?


:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:
 

motormafia

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Shouldn't the same thing be done to Temasek GIC?

to "wind down" the troubled dictator "in an orderly way."

and protect the SINGAPOREAN taxpayer.

While AIG had only received tax payer fund as bail out Temasek GIC is Entirely Funded BY TAX PAYERS & SINGAPOREANS. And they are squandering while plundering much worst than AIG!



:wink::rolleyes::biggrin:
 

khunking

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America had a change of presidency while the incumbent remains in Singapore.

Shouldn't the same thing be done to Temasek GIC?

to "wind down" the troubled dictator "in an orderly way."

and protect the SINGAPOREAN taxpayer.

While AIG had only received tax payer fund as bail out Temasek GIC is Entirely Funded BY TAX PAYERS & SINGAPOREANS. And they are squandering while plundering much worst than AIG!



:wink::rolleyes::biggrin:
 

singveld

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what ?

what about those people who bought the AAA rated bond that were insured by AIG.

some of these investers are pension, saving, insurance, normal people, not rich people.
 

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Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090318/ts_alt_afp/uspoliticsinsurancepublicaidaig_20090318015616

WASHINGTON (AFP) – US Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said that the government would work with AIG chief executive Edward Liddy to "wind down" the troubled insurer "in an orderly way."

In a letter to lawmakers Geithner addressed what he described as "considerable outrage" stemming from 160-million-dollar bonuses paid to AIG top executives, and said his department would "explore any and all responsible ways to accelerate this wind down process."

He said he would "work with" AIG chief executive Edward Liddy "on measures to wind down AIG in an orderly way and protect the American taxpayer."

AIG, which received billions in US bailout funds, is also to pay back the government for the hefty bonuses shelled out to top executives, Geithner said.

Geithner's statement comes as revelations about the staggering bonuses which were awarded to employees of the giant US insurer fueled a political firestorm.

The controversy engulfing bailed-out American International Group threatened to turn nasty amid reports of death threats against AIG workers, and posed a critical test of President Barack Obama's economic revival plans.

Lawmakers had been looking at punitive tax measures to reclaim the bonuses paid largely to the same London-based financial products traders who brought ruin to AIG and helped to ignite the global financial crisis.

Senator Charles Grassley, the top Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, refused to disavow a remark that AIG executives should go the way of disgraced Japanese leaders in choosing resignation or suicide.

The Iowa lawmaker declared that "from my standpoint, it's irresponsible for corporations to give bonuses at this time, when they're sucking the tit of the taxpayer."

New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo disclosed that last Friday, AIG had paid out more than 160 million dollars in bonuses to staff at its financial products unit.

Cuomo, who slapped subpoenas on AIG Monday as part of a probe into Wall Street excess, said 73 AIG employees had each received bonuses of one million dollars or more.

The top 10 recipients were paid a total of 42 million dollars, with one executive getting 6.4 million alone. And 11 executives quit AIG despite being paid "retention" bonuses of at least a million dollars each to stay.

Government-appointed AIG boss Edward Liddy, who faces a grilling at a forthcoming congressional hearing, was sent a letter from Senate Democrats demanding he renegotiate the employees' bonuses or else legislation would be pushed through to tax them at more than 90 percent.

"Given the fact that it was the employees in this unit that brought your firm to the brink of bankruptcy and caused such havoc in the world, rewarding them is not only morally reprehensible, but entirely indefensible on any business grounds," the letter said.

AIG was saved from bankruptcy last September because the government deemed its intricate web of ties with banks worldwide posed an imminent risk of financial meltdown not just for the United States but globally.

With Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner accused of bungling the controversy, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs meanwhile said Obama had "complete confidence" in his economic overseer.

Gibbs added that "everybody is offended by every aspect" of the bonuses at a time when millions of Americans have lost their jobs in the worst recession for decades.

Republicans turned up the political heat on Obama, who must ride the public fury against Wall Street while shoring up congressional support for forthcoming measures to prop up tottering banks.

House Minority Leader John Boehner said Republicans had long been calling for more protections to ensure that taxpayers know how 700 billion in bailout dollars are being spent by financial institutions.

"It is time for the administration to provide Congress and American taxpayers an exit strategy that will get the federal government out of the private sector and out of the bailout business," he said.

Barney Frank, the Democratic chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, noted that the US taxpayer now controls 80 percent of AIG's equity after pumping 180 billion dollars into the company.

"I think the time has come to exercise our ownership rights," he said, as a new poll by CNN and Opinion Research Corp. showed strong public support for the outright nationalization of distressed banks.


To wind down in an orderly way is to dispose assets without having to face fire-sales. It does not amount to a collapse.
 

shelltox

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The americans screwed themselves by electing substandard politician , who appoints sub standard regulators. When a country's top brians are at wall street, they will outsmart all those substandard politician.
 

johnny333

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The americans screwed themselves by electing substandard politician , who appoints sub standard regulators. When a country's top brians are at wall street, they will outsmart all those substandard politician.


Sporeans are in good position to know what substandard politicians are costing the country. Only have to look at the losses & bonuses that Spore Inc is burdened with :eek:

Americans might be screwed but if any country can get out of the mess its the US. Can't say the same for Spore, its sad that we have to wait for someone to up the lorry for things to improve :rolleyes:
 

Seee3

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This AIG episode appears very similar to the many WWE storylines which Americans are very good in. First the good guy turn bad then he suddenly turn good again.

If AIG goes under immediately after Lehman, hell will break loose. But if AIG don't go under, America will have to pay many parties, both Amercians and Foreigners, whatever garbage that AIG has insured. So came the first bullshit of saving AIG with Tax payer money but actually passing the money to their own people and friends through AIG. Now that their own people and good friends are saved, it is time to "wind down" AIG because AIG still has many outstanding obligations.

However, a good storyline must be created so that it would not cause unnecessary panick. What better way than the current one that the AIG management sucks big time and it is best to close it down. Great game. Score: American 100 Others 0
 

shelltox

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Eh bro, I have leave in singpapore for more than 50 years and had witness numerous ups and downs.You may call me a "lao jiao". I stayed in an attap house that leaks every monsoon season, the toilet is a hut outdoors and the stinking shithout is filled with white crawling maggots. my father took home 350 a month and he had to feed 13 childrens(my dad is very sharper shooter, he aims to kill.)the pap would had given my mum a super productive medal. A senior cambridge cert was all you need to make a decent living. water was from a 30ft deep well and water was super icy cold. Our home was next to a cemetery, I guessed it must be bcos rent must be cheap.
Mum managed to rear some chickens and ducks plus planting vegetables(super organics) fertilisers were our supply of urine . Live then was no fun, need get to watch movies unless ded strike 4d or chap ji kee. we did catch spiders and fly kites but would rather play badminton or soccers..Have life improved for all of us, yes it had improved tremendously.\
Most of us own cars and stay in Hdb flats. earned a decent salaries and go for our annual and for those idiots who are clamering for change. I dont want to go back to stay in the kampongs anymore.
 
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