ah neh also dont want to buy trump fighter jets. haaaaa

[kaninabuchaojibye]

https://eurasiantimes.com/us-outraged-wi...can-f-21s/

 

[syed putra]

F-21?

 

[congo9]

KNN, this is a hybrid. Who say Bastard are more brillant then the f22 or f35 ???

 

[syed putra]

Its a f-16v. But proposed to be locally assembled in yeendia.

 

[steffychun]

Donald better nuke India.

 

[syed putra]

Donald better nuke India.

Silicon valley and wall street highly dependent on indian professionals.it will be suicide.

 

[A Singaporean]

Silicon valley and wall street highly dependent on indian professionals.it will be suicide.

Typical Indian. Think too highly of themselves and the world will come to an end without them. They are just Asian Niggers.

 

[syed putra]

Typical Indian. Think too highly of themselves and the world will come to an end without them. They are just Asian Niggers.

Nigger cannot match indians when it comes to picking cottons.

 

[Tony Tan]

Japs purchased and paid for Dotard's expensive and useless missiles and DEPLOYED.

Very Soon GAVE UP AND DISMANTLED these JUNKS BECAUSE THEY CANNOT EVEN DEFEND NK'S HUASONG MISSILES!

https://mil.sina.cn/zm/2020-06-22/detail-iirczymk8329417.d.html?from=wap

日本下马陆基宙斯盾系统 为何还会影响其航母梦
来源：帧察点

原定将部署于秋田县与山口县的，两座用于拦截中国和朝鲜弹道导弹的“陆基宙斯盾”，黄了！

作为“防卫新大纲”时代，陆上自卫队承担弹道导弹防卫任务的重要标志，“陆基宙斯盾”的身影，正式出现在2017年底发布的2018年度防卫预算草案当中。按照原计划，两座“陆基宙斯盾”将与海自的8艘“宙斯盾”驱逐舰和空自的“爱国者”地空导弹——后两者均可机动部署，共同担负起日本弹道导弹防御的任务。

▲2018年日本国会议员代表团参观罗马尼亚的“陆基宙斯盾”设施

作为经历了三任防卫大臣——小野寺五典时代进入预算、岩屋毅时代敲定选址、河野太郎时代正式告吹的项目，下马时尚未开工的“陆基宙斯盾”项目在推进过程中，就遭遇过许多问题。比如此前，“陆基宙斯盾”就曾经爆出过选址勘察时，原始资料中地形数据与实地数据严重不符的尴尬情况。

此次在日本防卫省发布的官方公告中，对停止配备“陆基宙斯盾”给出了如下理由：作为大气层外高空拦截弹，“标准”-3系列导弹均有起飞助推器，虽然体积并非很大，但重量也有200公斤左右；不同于从“宙斯盾”舰发射时，助推器会落入海中，从“陆基宙斯盾”设施中发射的导弹，助推器就有可能落在岸上砸坏花花草草，由此引发了地方自治体和附近居民的担心。

▲秋田县的“陆基宙斯盾”预定部署地新屋演习场，紧邻秋田市区，某种意义上来说居民的担心不无道理

这个看上去如此低级的理由，为什么一直到现在才被拿出来呢？其实早在项目敲定前后，防卫省曾在向地方解释时表示，可以通过“一些手段”将助推器的下落控制在演习场内部或者海上——就像一些民用运载火箭发射那样；但事后在与美国联合推进该项目时，却发现由于美国压根没考虑过这个问题，要确保助推器落在演习场范围内或海上，需要对含软件与硬件在内的设施系统进行全面大幅修改。。。。。。

▲反正一到这时候，万事万物就离不开这仨字

反正按照官方说法，正是因为考虑到解决问题所需要额外耗费的金钱与时间成本，防卫省才决定停止继续配备“陆上宙斯盾”系统。不过同时也有说法称，由于日本采购的“陆上宙斯盾”，将使用由洛克希德·马丁与富士通联合研制的LMSSR（美军编号AN/SPY-7），而非现成的SPY-1D（罗马尼亚那个“陆基宙斯盾”用的就是这个）或SPY-6作为主雷达，但由于富士通方面进度滞后，使得联合研发和后续测试受阻，同样在难以按时交付的同时造成了成本上涨。

▲新一代“宙斯盾”（含“陆基宙斯盾”）系统的两种雷达，不同于下面由雷声公司研制（三菱电机其实也有参与）的AN/SPY-6，上面的LMSSR是由洛马公司与富士通研制。按照日方原本评估，无论是对弹道导弹的探知能力和同时应对能力、雷达连续运用能力，LMSSR都全面胜出

▲LMSSR/SPY-7还计划装备在西班牙海军下一代护卫舰F110（上）和加拿大海军的下一代护卫舰（下，基本上是英国26型护卫舰的强化版），相比SPY-6，SPY-7在性能更好的同时还有如此良好的适装性，一方面是体积重量控制得好，同时也是该型雷达对耗电要求较低的结果

其实明眼人都可以看出，日本“陆基宙斯盾”所部署的两个位置，很难说是为保卫日本本土所选择的最佳位置，如果按照日本官方“‘陆基宙斯盾’是应对朝鲜导弹对日本的威胁”这一说法，位于日本东北地区秋田县和西南地区山口县这两座设施，恰好处在朝鲜到夏威夷、朝鲜到关岛的直线路径上，而日本最重要的东京、大阪都市圈反而“露了出来”。

▲从朝鲜（甚至我国腹地）向夏威夷发射的远程导弹的话，弹道投影刚好经过秋田县

▲从朝鲜向关岛发射远程导弹的话，弹道投影又刚好经过山口县，你说这不巧了吗？

▲更不要说从南海发射“巨浪”打击美国西海岸时，这弹道投影又经过山口县又经过秋田县了。。。。。。

虽然理论上说，借助LMSSR雷达的引入，从长远看能为日本未来水面舰艇发展提供一个强有力的竞争选项；然而就眼下这个部署位置，再考虑到“标准”-3导弹作为一种大气层外高空拦截弹，本身也更适合在飞行中段拦截弹道高度较高的远程导弹，“陆基宙斯盾”自然引发了日本国内“花了大钱难道就是为了守卫美国领土吗”的广泛质疑。

更糟糕的是，随着近年来朝鲜战术弹道导弹技术的不断进化，初步掌握了压低弹道并在末端二次拉起的技术，这就严重压缩了“标准”-3这种高空拦截器的使用范围。相比对抗使用传统弹道的老式弹道导弹时，“陆基宙斯盾”拦截新型导弹的范围将会急剧缩小，很可能真的就彻底管不到两大都市圈了，甚至可能会正如附近居民所担心的那样，反为当地招来“杀身之祸”。

▲当朝鲜导弹“进化”出了“水漂”飞行能力之后，对传统的反导兵器提出了新的挑战

▲由于最近的半岛局势，刚刚宣告了“陆基宙斯盾”下马的防卫省，仍然如临大敌般地在大院里架设上了“爱国者”PAC-3

对于短期内难以继续推进“陆基宙斯盾”项目的日本来说，海上自卫队现有的“宙斯盾”防空导弹驱逐舰仍然将是日本仅有的大气层外高空反导手段。就在宣布取消“陆基宙斯盾”的第二天，海上幕僚长山村浩在接受记者采访时表示，将继续集中精力，确立8艘“宙斯盾”防空导弹驱逐舰的体制，并以此应对包含弹道导弹防御在内的各种事态。

▲转了一大圈，用了快三十年的“宙斯盾”驱逐舰仍然是对付远程导弹最可靠的手段

然而这种缺点也是显而易见的，首先“陆基宙斯盾”可以7×24小时不间断值班，无需考虑出海对人员造成的疲劳、也不需要像舰船一样需要频繁维护保养，更不用担心因天气原因造成的恶劣海况影响工作，而执行任务必须出海的“宙斯盾”舰就做不到了。至于是否将来要在现有8艘规模上，增加“宙斯盾”舰数量，山村浩表示，如果增加新的“宙斯盾”舰，需要招募更多的舰员，“这是一个需要解决的问题”。

▲海上幕僚长山村浩在16日的记者发布会上

众所周知，近年来刚刚制定的新防卫大纲与中期防卫力整备计划当中，海自已经确定了海上自卫队主战驱护舰艇的54艘体制规模，长期严格遵循“一个萝卜一个坑”的海上自卫队，其4个主力护卫队群中的8艘防空导弹驱逐舰，即将在明年DDG-180“羽黑”服役后实现“全盾化”。

▲最近，正在舾装的DDG-180“羽黑”也更换了低可视度舰艏舷号，随着舰上设备的不断安装到位，它离交付服役也越来越近了

本来在此前的分析中，外界认为，随着“陆基宙斯盾”的加入，海自的“宙斯盾”舰将至少有一部分从反导任务中解放出来，真正成为海上自卫队远海机动力量的指挥核心。但现在这个情况下，如果海自的“宙斯盾”继续维持8艘体制，那还得与反导任务深度绑定，严重影响海上自卫队的海上机动作战指挥能力。

▲《空母伊吹》虽然片子已经烂到连批判价值都么得了，但用来截个图还行——毕竟海自的“宙斯盾”真正担当起“空母直卫”，在现实中还得等上几年

而如果强行扩充“宙斯盾”舰的数量规模，首先需要解决的就是要提前修改执行还没多久的防卫大纲和中期防；在这种情况下，无论是调整护卫队群内“宙斯盾”舰与通用驱逐舰的比例，还是额外组建新的护卫队群，都将耗费巨大的精力与财力，甚至有可能影响海自未来转型最重要的象征——“出云”和“加贺”航母化改装的费用和进度安排。

▲不过我们也要看到，海自的订购计划，相对于日本的造舰能力来说一直是相当“克制”的，造不造更多的大舰，更多是国会那边过得去过不去的事儿

至于说其他消息人士对媒体所提的，日本将来可发展电子战软杀伤手段或者高能武器，来代替“陆基宙斯盾”的反导职能，笔者只能说，这种还画在纸上的大饼，也就是帮各位记者朋友凑凑字数罢了，短期内实在是没什么分析的价值。

▲战略级别的激光反导，不靠着丰厚的冷战遗产一时半会儿是弄不出来的

“陆基宙斯盾”项目的停止，粗看上去只是“砍掉”了对日本自己来说作用在不断下降的东西；但在日美同盟关系依旧牢固的当下，越来越繁重的反导任务仍然像“政治正确”一样压在自卫队头上；这就使得，原本至少能“抵消任务增量”的“陆基宙斯盾”的取消，意味着未来必须有替代品加入进来，也就意味着自卫队既定的发展计划又要受到影响。更不要说，作为“陆基宙斯盾”主承包国，美国目前对此事却迟迟没有表态，由此带来的可能变数，仍然难以预知。

 

[Tony Tan]

Why did Japan's land-based Aegis system affect its aircraft carrier dreamSource: frame WatchOriginally scheduled to be deployed in Akita and Yamaguchi counties, two "land-based Aegis" for intercepting ballistic missiles from China and North Korea are yellow!As an important symbol of the land-based self defense force undertaking the ballistic missile defense task in the era of "new defense outline", the figure of "land-based Aegis" has officially appeared in the 2018 annual defense budget draft released at the end of 2017. According to the original plan, the two "land-based Aegis" destroyers, together with the eight aegis destroyers of Haizi and the "Patriot" surface to air missile missiles from Haizi, the latter two can be deployed flexibly to jointly undertake the task of Japan's ballistic missile defense.In 2018, a delegation of Japanese members of Parliament visited the "land-based Aegis" facility in RomaniaAs a project that has experienced three terms of defense minister - Ono temple's five classics era entering the budget, the IWAYA era's finalizing the site selection, and the Heye taro era's formal collapse, the "land-based Aegis" project, which has not yet started yet, has encountered many problems in the promotion process. Before that, the "land-based Aegis" once broke out the embarrassing situation that the topographic data in the original data and the field data were seriously inconsistent during the site selection survey.In the official announcement issued by Japan's Ministry of defense, the following reasons were given for ceasing to be equipped with "land-based Aegis": as Exoatmospheric high-altitude interceptors, "standard" - 3 Series missiles have take-off boosters, although their volume is not very large, but the weight is about 200 kg; different from the "Aegis" ship launched, the booster will fall into the sea, from the "land-based Aegis" ”The missiles launched from the facility and the booster may fall on the shore, damaging flowers and plants, which has aroused the concern of local autonomous bodies and nearby residents.In a sense, the residents' concerns are justifiedWhy has this seemingly low-level reason been put forward until now? In fact, before and after the project was finalized, the Ministry of defense once explained to the local authorities that the whereabouts of the booster could be controlled in the drill ground or at sea by "some means", just like some civilian launch vehicles. However, when jointly promoting the project with the United States, it was found that since the United States had not considered this problem at all, it was necessary to ensure that the booster landed at the exercise site Within the scope or offshore, it is necessary to carry out comprehensive and substantial modifications to the facilities and systems including software and hardware......All things are inseparable from these three words at this timeIn view of the "cost of saving the land shield", it is the cost to continue to solve the problem of aegis. However, it is also said that the lmssr (an / spy-7) jointly developed by Lockheed Martin and Fujitsu will be used for the "land-based Aegis" purchased by Japan, instead of the ready-made spy-1d (which is used by the "land-based Aegis" in Romania) or spy-6 as the main radar. However, due to the lagging progress of Fujitsu, the joint research and development and subsequent testing will be carried out It is also difficult to deliver on time, which also leads to cost increase.The two kinds of radars of the new generation aegis (including "land-based Aegis") system are different from the an / spy-6 developed by Raytheon (Mitsubishi Electric is also involved in it). The lmssr above is developed by Loma and Fujitsu. According to the original assessment of Japan, lmssr has won in all respects in terms of detection capability, simultaneous response capability and radar continuous operation capability of ballistic missilesThe lmssr / spy-7 is also planned to be equipped with the next generation frigate F110 of the Spanish Navy (the first part) and the next generation frigate of the Canadian Navy (the second generation is basically the enhanced version of the British type 26 frigate). Compared with spy-6, spy-7 has better performance and better adaptability. On the one hand, it has better volume and weight control, and it also has lower power consumption requirements for this type of radarAs a matter of fact, it can be seen that the two positions deployed by Japan's "land-based Aegis" are hardly the best positions for Japan's defense. According to the Japanese official statement that "the land-based aegis is to deal with the threat of North Korean missiles to Japan", the two facilities located in Akita County in Northeast Japan and Yamaguchi County in Southwest China happen to be located between North Korea and North Korea On the straight path from Hawaii and North Korea to Guam, Japan's most important metropolitan areas of Tokyo and Osaka are "exposed".For long-range missiles launched from North Korea (even China's hinterland) to Hawaii, the ballistic projection just passes through Akita countyWhen a long-range missile is launched from North Korea to Guam, the ballistic projection happens to pass through Shankou county. Do you think this is unfortunate?Not to mention that when a "huge wave" was launched from the South China Sea to hit the west coast of the United States, the ballistic projection passed through Shankou county and Akita county again......Although in theory, the introduction of lmssr radar can provide a strong competitive option for Japan's future surface ship development in the long run; however, considering the current deployment position, and considering that the "standard-3" missile, as an extraatmospheric high-altitude interceptor, is more suitable for intercepting long-range missiles with high ballistic height in the middle of flight, the "land-based Aegis" is natural It has aroused a widespread question in Japan that "is it for defending American territory to spend a lot of money?".What's worse, with North Korea's tactical ballistic missile technology in recent years

 

[Tony Tan]

 

[syed putra]

Patriot missile cannot even shoot down a houthi explosive drone in saudi.
Nor protect israel from hamas rockets.

 

[LordElrond]

Indians are smarter than Japs. America only sells outdated technology to suckers.

 

[Ang4MohTrump]

IT PROVED THAT F-35 is a FAILURE AND GIVEN UP. The USA dream to save their ass using RE-WORKED F-16 & calling it F-21. Ah Neh NOT FALLING FOR IT!

Ah Neh Knows that F-21 cannot even survive from Chinese FJ-17 used by Pakistan!

 

[syed putra]

IT PROVED THAT F-35 is a FAILURE AND GIVEN UP. The USA dream to save their ass using RE-WORKED F-16 & calling it F-21. Ah Neh NOT FALLING FOR IT!

Ah Neh Knows that F-21 cannot even survive from Chinese FJ-17 used by Pakistan!

India has no F-16's. How will they know it cannot survive israel designed f-17's?