After they got killed in war with Pakistan and captured POW, the ABNN air force are even more unwilling to compromise themselves with lousy fucked up warplanes. They want top ace imported warplanes to save their own ass! They want Modi to spend huge tax payer dollars to get either Putin or Dotard's top ace jets. Refused to fly Mustafa jets.
https://mil.news.sina.com.cn/china/2019-03-18/doc-ihsxncvh3483775.shtml
印度LCA被中国枭龙逼出局 或降级为教练机进军海外
印度LCA被中国枭龙逼出局 或降级为教练机进军海外
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[环球网军事报道]印度引以为傲的LCA“光辉”战斗机很神奇的避开了与中巴“枭龙”战斗机的正面竞争，无奈改当“高级教练机”了。
据俄罗斯专业人士近日爆料：印度表示他们的LCA“光辉”（Tejas）战斗机将与雅克-130高级教练机争夺马来西亚市场。同时，马来西亚空军正在考虑其他的机型，即获得中巴JF-17“枭龙”和韩国FA-50的可能性。
猛一看这条信息挺乱。LCA好歹也是标准的喷气式战斗机，怎么“自降身份”把雅克-130这样的顶尖高级教练机当成竞争对手了呢？要争，也该和中巴“枭龙”竞争才对，而且印度方面长期以来就是这么做的。
从马来西亚空军将战斗机选型目标主要定为中巴“枭龙”和韩国FA-50看，马方经过早些年“台风”、“阵风”等昂贵战斗机评比的波折后，已经理性回归自身的实际情况，有了更认真的思考。印度主动调整LCA的定位，换个残酷点的说法就是“已经提前出局”，不属于马方战机的考虑范围——如果俄方消息属实的话。
而与俄罗斯专业人士的爆料几乎同步，巴基斯坦方面的也放出一个很有意味的信号：3月23日巴基斯坦国庆日将举行隆重庆祝活动。无论巴基斯坦官方，还是巴基斯媒体都在特别强调——马来西亚总理马哈蒂尔将作为“贵宾出席”。虽然目前这只是一种猜测，但不排除届时可能会有关于“枭龙”，或者相关的重要进展。
印度LCA PV-6（KH-T2010）号原型机，即最终配置状态的LCA教练机。
LCA明明是战斗机，却要作为“教练机”去卖，也能看到印度终于有了自知之明。不多进一步的观察分析发现，对于这一做法印度人也并没有开玩笑，有关的操作已经在推进中。只是文化脾性丝毫没变，其目标定位还是要“业内第一”。
首先，LCA有专门的教练型。由于功能、性能要求标准不同，相比战斗型LCA的进展甚至更快。在2017年11月，由新加坡防长黄永宏乘坐体验飞行、并留下“这是一架好飞机”评语的那个LCA“战斗机”，其实是一架LCA双座教练机。当时由印度空军少将A.P辛格亲自驾驶，明显是一次战略公关/推销行动。
新加坡防长黄永宏体验LCA的好评语，不知道是不是客套话
其次，观察马来西亚的需求，马方对中、高级教练机相当迫切。其现役高级教练机队规模不大，却由多种机型组成，而每一款的数量都比较少。此外，这些教练机有相当一部分还承担着作战任务职能。印度方面想让LCA以“教练机”的身份切入，同时以LCA的“天然战斗机血统”为卖点，针对马来西亚军方对多用途“战斗教练机”的需求，扩大出口量，进而占据马方的中低端战斗机市场。
实事求是的说，印度人把LCA“降格”为高级教练机对外推销，有其可取之处，但是高教机不是“低性能、廉价”的代名词，有另一种标准要求，目前国际市场上的高级教练机，相比战斗机并不便宜。印度方面的这个逻辑有问题，而且一上来就把雅克-130这样的顶尖机型当成对手……
俄罗斯目前最先进的高教机雅克-130，也是近年俄方主要出口和换装的型号。
无论哪个型号的LCA，现在都没有一个外国用户，而且连印度空军自己这一关都没通过。如果国内要求都满足不了，出口更是奢望。而且LCA上大量的重要子系统、武器装备都依赖外购，印度自己毫无掌控能力，未来的后勤保障乃至售后服务都是很大的问题。就算卖出去了，也更像是给别人做嫁衣。
双座型“枭龙”战斗机。
就马来西亚而言，考虑LCA，甚至雅克-130，不如多考虑一下中国的K-8或者L-15“猎鹰”，而且“枭龙”也有双座型。无论预算充裕还是不充裕，都有非常合适的对应机型，和完善成熟的保障服务体系。何必为了根本就不靠谱的东西“背锅”呢？
Indian LCA was forced out of the game by China Xiaolong or downgraded to trainer aircraft to enter overseas
Indian LCA was forced out of the game by China Xiaolong or downgraded to trainer aircraft to enter overseas
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[Global Network Military Report] India's proud LCA "Glory" fighter is very magical to avoid the positive competition with the CMB "Jilong" fighter, but can not be changed to "advanced trainer".
According to Russian professionals, India said that their LCA "Tejas" fighters will compete with the Jacques-130 advanced trainer for the Malaysian market. At the same time, the Malaysian Air Force is considering other models, namely the possibility of obtaining the JF JF-17 "Jilong" and the Korean FA-50.
It’s quite a mess to see this information. The LCA is also a standard jet fighter. How do you "take down your identity" to use the top-level advanced trainer like the Jacques-130 as a competitor? In order to compete, it is also necessary to compete with CMB Dragon and the Indian side has been doing this for a long time.
From the Malaysian Air Force, the selection of fighter aircraft was mainly targeted at the CMB Dragon and the South Korean FA-50. After the twists and turns of the expensive fighters such as Typhoon and Gust, the Malaysian has rationally returned to itself. In fact, there are more serious thoughts. India's initiative to adjust the positioning of the LCA, the change of a cruel point is that "has already been out of the game", does not belong to the scope of the Malaysian fighter - if the Russian side is true.
In parallel with the news of Russian professionals, the Pakistani side also issued a very interesting signal: a grand celebration will be held on March 23rd on Pakistan National Day. Both the Pakistani official and the Pakistani media are particularly stressed that Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir will be a "VIP guest." Although this is only a speculation at the moment, it is not excluded that there may be some important progress in the "Dragon" or related.
The Indian LCA PV-6 (KH-T2010) prototype, the LCA trainer in the final configuration state.
The LCA is clearly a fighter, but it has to be sold as a "training machine". It can also be seen that India has finally realized its own self-knowledge. Not much further observation and analysis found that the Indians did not make jokes about this practice, and the relevant operations are already in progress. However, the cultural temperament has not changed at all, and its target orientation is still "the industry's first."
First of all, LCA has a special coaching style. Due to different functional and performance requirements, the progress of combat LCA is even faster. In November 2017, the LCA "fighter", which was run by Singapore's defense chief, Huang Yonghong, and left "This is a good plane" commentary, is actually an LCA two-seater trainer. At that time, the Indian Air Force Major General A.P. Singer personally drove, which was obviously a strategic public relations/marketing action.
Singapore’s defense chief, Huang Yonghong, experienced the good comments of LCA. I don’t know if it’s a guest.
Secondly, to observe the needs of Malaysia, the Malaysian side is very urgent for the middle and senior trainers. Its active senior coach fleet is small, but it is composed of multiple models, and each one is relatively small. In addition, a considerable part of these trainers also carry out combat mission functions. The Indian side wants LCA to cut in as a "training machine". At the same time, it uses LCA's "natural fighter bloodline" as a selling point to expand the export volume for the Malaysian military's demand for multi-purpose "combat trainer" and then occupy the Malaysian side. Low-end fighter market.
Seeking truth from facts, the Indians have reduced the LCA to the advanced coaching machine for external sales, which has its merits, but the higher education machine is not synonymous with "low performance, low price", there is another standard requirement, and the current international market is advanced. The trainer is not cheap compared to the fighter. This logic in India is problematic, and as soon as it comes up, the top models like the Jacques-130 are used as rivals...
Russia's current state-of-the-art higher education machine, the Jacques-130, is also the main export and replacement model of Russia in recent years.
No matter which model of LCA, there is no foreign user now, and even the Indian Air Force has not passed this level. If domestic requirements are not met, exports are even more promising. Moreover, a large number of important subsystems, weapons and equipment on the LCA rely on outsourcing, India has no control over itself, and future logistics support and even after-sales service are big problems. Even if you sell it, it is more like making a wedding dress for others.
Two-seat "Dragon" fighter.
As far as Malaysia is concerned, considering LCA and even Jacques-130, it is better to consider China's K-8 or L-15 "Falcon", and "Zhenlong" also has a two-seat type. Regardless of whether the budget is sufficient or not, there are very suitable models and perfect mature service systems. Why do you want to "back" the things that are not reliable at all?
https://mil.news.sina.com.cn/china/2019-03-18/doc-ihsxncvh3483775.shtml
印度LCA被中国枭龙逼出局 或降级为教练机进军海外
印度LCA被中国枭龙逼出局 或降级为教练机进军海外
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[环球网军事报道]印度引以为傲的LCA“光辉”战斗机很神奇的避开了与中巴“枭龙”战斗机的正面竞争，无奈改当“高级教练机”了。
据俄罗斯专业人士近日爆料：印度表示他们的LCA“光辉”（Tejas）战斗机将与雅克-130高级教练机争夺马来西亚市场。同时，马来西亚空军正在考虑其他的机型，即获得中巴JF-17“枭龙”和韩国FA-50的可能性。
猛一看这条信息挺乱。LCA好歹也是标准的喷气式战斗机，怎么“自降身份”把雅克-130这样的顶尖高级教练机当成竞争对手了呢？要争，也该和中巴“枭龙”竞争才对，而且印度方面长期以来就是这么做的。
从马来西亚空军将战斗机选型目标主要定为中巴“枭龙”和韩国FA-50看，马方经过早些年“台风”、“阵风”等昂贵战斗机评比的波折后，已经理性回归自身的实际情况，有了更认真的思考。印度主动调整LCA的定位，换个残酷点的说法就是“已经提前出局”，不属于马方战机的考虑范围——如果俄方消息属实的话。
而与俄罗斯专业人士的爆料几乎同步，巴基斯坦方面的也放出一个很有意味的信号：3月23日巴基斯坦国庆日将举行隆重庆祝活动。无论巴基斯坦官方，还是巴基斯媒体都在特别强调——马来西亚总理马哈蒂尔将作为“贵宾出席”。虽然目前这只是一种猜测，但不排除届时可能会有关于“枭龙”，或者相关的重要进展。
印度LCA PV-6（KH-T2010）号原型机，即最终配置状态的LCA教练机。
LCA明明是战斗机，却要作为“教练机”去卖，也能看到印度终于有了自知之明。不多进一步的观察分析发现，对于这一做法印度人也并没有开玩笑，有关的操作已经在推进中。只是文化脾性丝毫没变，其目标定位还是要“业内第一”。
首先，LCA有专门的教练型。由于功能、性能要求标准不同，相比战斗型LCA的进展甚至更快。在2017年11月，由新加坡防长黄永宏乘坐体验飞行、并留下“这是一架好飞机”评语的那个LCA“战斗机”，其实是一架LCA双座教练机。当时由印度空军少将A.P辛格亲自驾驶，明显是一次战略公关/推销行动。
新加坡防长黄永宏体验LCA的好评语，不知道是不是客套话
其次，观察马来西亚的需求，马方对中、高级教练机相当迫切。其现役高级教练机队规模不大，却由多种机型组成，而每一款的数量都比较少。此外，这些教练机有相当一部分还承担着作战任务职能。印度方面想让LCA以“教练机”的身份切入，同时以LCA的“天然战斗机血统”为卖点，针对马来西亚军方对多用途“战斗教练机”的需求，扩大出口量，进而占据马方的中低端战斗机市场。
实事求是的说，印度人把LCA“降格”为高级教练机对外推销，有其可取之处，但是高教机不是“低性能、廉价”的代名词，有另一种标准要求，目前国际市场上的高级教练机，相比战斗机并不便宜。印度方面的这个逻辑有问题，而且一上来就把雅克-130这样的顶尖机型当成对手……
俄罗斯目前最先进的高教机雅克-130，也是近年俄方主要出口和换装的型号。
无论哪个型号的LCA，现在都没有一个外国用户，而且连印度空军自己这一关都没通过。如果国内要求都满足不了，出口更是奢望。而且LCA上大量的重要子系统、武器装备都依赖外购，印度自己毫无掌控能力，未来的后勤保障乃至售后服务都是很大的问题。就算卖出去了，也更像是给别人做嫁衣。
双座型“枭龙”战斗机。
就马来西亚而言，考虑LCA，甚至雅克-130，不如多考虑一下中国的K-8或者L-15“猎鹰”，而且“枭龙”也有双座型。无论预算充裕还是不充裕，都有非常合适的对应机型，和完善成熟的保障服务体系。何必为了根本就不靠谱的东西“背锅”呢？
Indian LCA was forced out of the game by China Xiaolong or downgraded to trainer aircraft to enter overseas
Indian LCA was forced out of the game by China Xiaolong or downgraded to trainer aircraft to enter overseas
5
[Global Network Military Report] India's proud LCA "Glory" fighter is very magical to avoid the positive competition with the CMB "Jilong" fighter, but can not be changed to "advanced trainer".
According to Russian professionals, India said that their LCA "Tejas" fighters will compete with the Jacques-130 advanced trainer for the Malaysian market. At the same time, the Malaysian Air Force is considering other models, namely the possibility of obtaining the JF JF-17 "Jilong" and the Korean FA-50.
It’s quite a mess to see this information. The LCA is also a standard jet fighter. How do you "take down your identity" to use the top-level advanced trainer like the Jacques-130 as a competitor? In order to compete, it is also necessary to compete with CMB Dragon and the Indian side has been doing this for a long time.
From the Malaysian Air Force, the selection of fighter aircraft was mainly targeted at the CMB Dragon and the South Korean FA-50. After the twists and turns of the expensive fighters such as Typhoon and Gust, the Malaysian has rationally returned to itself. In fact, there are more serious thoughts. India's initiative to adjust the positioning of the LCA, the change of a cruel point is that "has already been out of the game", does not belong to the scope of the Malaysian fighter - if the Russian side is true.
In parallel with the news of Russian professionals, the Pakistani side also issued a very interesting signal: a grand celebration will be held on March 23rd on Pakistan National Day. Both the Pakistani official and the Pakistani media are particularly stressed that Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir will be a "VIP guest." Although this is only a speculation at the moment, it is not excluded that there may be some important progress in the "Dragon" or related.
The Indian LCA PV-6 (KH-T2010) prototype, the LCA trainer in the final configuration state.
The LCA is clearly a fighter, but it has to be sold as a "training machine". It can also be seen that India has finally realized its own self-knowledge. Not much further observation and analysis found that the Indians did not make jokes about this practice, and the relevant operations are already in progress. However, the cultural temperament has not changed at all, and its target orientation is still "the industry's first."
First of all, LCA has a special coaching style. Due to different functional and performance requirements, the progress of combat LCA is even faster. In November 2017, the LCA "fighter", which was run by Singapore's defense chief, Huang Yonghong, and left "This is a good plane" commentary, is actually an LCA two-seater trainer. At that time, the Indian Air Force Major General A.P. Singer personally drove, which was obviously a strategic public relations/marketing action.
Singapore’s defense chief, Huang Yonghong, experienced the good comments of LCA. I don’t know if it’s a guest.
Secondly, to observe the needs of Malaysia, the Malaysian side is very urgent for the middle and senior trainers. Its active senior coach fleet is small, but it is composed of multiple models, and each one is relatively small. In addition, a considerable part of these trainers also carry out combat mission functions. The Indian side wants LCA to cut in as a "training machine". At the same time, it uses LCA's "natural fighter bloodline" as a selling point to expand the export volume for the Malaysian military's demand for multi-purpose "combat trainer" and then occupy the Malaysian side. Low-end fighter market.
Seeking truth from facts, the Indians have reduced the LCA to the advanced coaching machine for external sales, which has its merits, but the higher education machine is not synonymous with "low performance, low price", there is another standard requirement, and the current international market is advanced. The trainer is not cheap compared to the fighter. This logic in India is problematic, and as soon as it comes up, the top models like the Jacques-130 are used as rivals...
Russia's current state-of-the-art higher education machine, the Jacques-130, is also the main export and replacement model of Russia in recent years.
No matter which model of LCA, there is no foreign user now, and even the Indian Air Force has not passed this level. If domestic requirements are not met, exports are even more promising. Moreover, a large number of important subsystems, weapons and equipment on the LCA rely on outsourcing, India has no control over itself, and future logistics support and even after-sales service are big problems. Even if you sell it, it is more like making a wedding dress for others.
Two-seat "Dragon" fighter.
As far as Malaysia is concerned, considering LCA and even Jacques-130, it is better to consider China's K-8 or L-15 "Falcon", and "Zhenlong" also has a two-seat type. Regardless of whether the budget is sufficient or not, there are very suitable models and perfect mature service systems. Why do you want to "back" the things that are not reliable at all?
