A Scary Kid and His Helpless Grandmother

[Clone]

As the grandmother was talking to him, the kid was shouting loudly in mandarin.

But he continued shouting in very clear and coherent mandarin.

In mandarin? AT kid in action perhaps?

 

[halsey02]

Kids at the age of 5 - 6 are still not able to understand and reason as we adults. There is no intent of malice or evil in what they say. They learn words from adults and TV and repeat what they know without knowing the actual meaning. When a child is upset he will say it or show it unlike adults who can hide their feelings. A child at that age is still very innocent.

If I am 5-6 and mouth those things, you can guarantee, my mom will wash my mouth with soap & no dinner for the night. This is what in the past, our elders will say, "mo gar gow", in other words poor upbringing. The grandparents had brought up the child's either mother or father badly & the child's behaviour is the reflection of a very poor upbringing. It is not the innocent part, we learn from our adults.

 

[Cerebral]

Recently I was in the mrt and saw this incident.
A kid probably not more than 6 years old was seated in the priority reserved seat. His grandmother was seated beside him.
As the grandmother was talking to him, the kid was shouting loudly in mandarin.

"Why do the old people walk so slowly, does that mean they are going to die?"
"Why is that woman so ugly?"
" I am not going to listen to you, why should I listen to you, I am not feeling happy, I am feeling very upset.", in response to his grandmother's cajoling and then scolding to be quiet.

I don't think he had a problem with hyperactivity or attention-deficit disorder, since he remained seated all the time.
But he continued shouting in very clear and coherent mandarin.
Wondering whether there is some kind of illness that causes such behaviour in a very young child. Or is he simply an extremely spoilt brat who has somehow learnt to be very vindictive?

ADHD is attention Deficient. I think the right condition is Tourette Syndrome. However, I am not a professional in this area, so cannot comment if he is having it.

 

[zhihau]

I'm convinced there's something more in that case than an innocent child without understanding or inhibition.

after having a good sleep, it dawned upon me that this child, at the age of 5-6, already self aware and understood that death is integral to all of us.
he's capable of comparing himself, being young & energetic, to the elderly, being fragile & slow. this young boy had also developed a keen sense of perception on beauty as he was rather discerning.
me suspect the young boy very 醒目, but finding trouble to reconcile a lot of data in his brain. the usual tantrums did seem to persist towards the end of the observation where he refuses to be placated by the granny.

 

[scroobal]

I agree at that age, they will not be able to understand or reason. They therefore follow what they see. By the age of 2, kids learn behaviour fast even though they have no idea is it is right or wrong. I have seen young toddlers and kids behave perfectly well, engage in conversations with adults in a civil manner even thought they have no clue what they are talking about. That civil behaviour is a reflection of the parents and the environment that he or she is raised.

The kid in the MRT is spoilt and badly raised or neglected. In time, he or she with maturity might turn out to be perfectly decent citizens not because of the parents but because they start to reason and realise that boorish behaviour is not acceptable in today's society. But I suspect that most who are raised badly will eventually behave badly.

I have seen a kid spit in the face of a maid, i have seen kids racing around public places, I have seen kids throw tantrums along supermarket aisle and then you look at the parents and you know why. Just 2 weeks ago, i saw a kid grab all the sweets he can carry and wanted the father to pay at the convenince store counter. The father reasoned with the kid and took much of it and place it back. The kid grabbed all he can and this went for 3 rounds and the father finally paid for all of it. The rest in the queue waited and watched. The father was patient, calm and civil to the kid but inconsiderate to the rest in the queue. On the other hand I have seen kids who are told once and they readily listen.

Kids at the age of 5 - 6 are still not able to understand and reason as we adults. There is no intent of malice or evil in what they say. They learn words from adults and TV and repeat what they know without knowing the actual meaning. When a child is upset he will say it or show it unlike adults who can hide their feelings. A child at that age is still very innocent.

 

[erection2015]

bro,

i think this child does have a little bit of a disorder. These kind of kids can be obsessed by a particular theme in their minds. In this case he could be fixated on the bad/ugly things relating to the people he sees around him.

These people are still articulate and intelligent in many ways and can indeed express themselves ....sometimes very loudly and they have little inhibitions.

My 2.456748 cents worth bro

Recently I was in the mrt and saw this incident.
A kid probably not more than 6 years old was seated in the priority reserved seat. His grandmother was seated beside him.
As the grandmother was talking to him, the kid was shouting loudly in mandarin.

"Why do the old people walk so slowly, does that mean they are going to die?"
"Why is that woman so ugly?"
" I am not going to listen to you, why should I listen to you, I am not feeling happy, I am feeling very upset.", in response to his grandmother's cajoling and then scolding to be quiet.

I don't think he had a problem with hyperactivity or attention-deficit disorder, since he remained seated all the time.
But he continued shouting in very clear and coherent mandarin.
Wondering whether there is some kind of illness that causes such behaviour in a very young child. Or is he simply an extremely spoilt brat who has somehow learnt to be very vindictive?

 

[Seee3]

He is only a child of 6 years old, this is the stage where he is beginning to learn from whoever there to guide him, besides Windsor who could saw that.

All of you are quick to pass judgement and are no better yourself as guardian.

There are many documentaries that show babies starting to learn the day he/she is born. Maybe not in technical knowledge but in behaviour and attitude. If we respond to a baby immediately each time he cries, he will cry more frequently.

I used to share the thought that the kid misbehaved because he didn't understand as he was too small. No more. Now, I will tell my younger friends, if a kid do not learn to behave or does not have the patience to do work for at least an hour by 6, you are going to have a hard time.

The real issue is that most people feel that smacking is the best way to correct misbehaviour. Unfortunately, in a way it is true. If a kid has not learnt basic manner in public places by 6, then threat indeed is the fastest and most effective way to curd further misconduct. However, if effort is made at the baby stage to complement good acts or to point out what is wrong, life will be so much easier later. (most didn't do it because they think it is silly trying to talk sense to a baby) Instead we actually encourage "misbehaviour" because such action by a baby is actually quite cute. For example, when a baby first learnt to sweep things to the floor when he disliked it, we will pick up the item and encourage him to do it again and again. Parenting is a complex job but many thought they can outsource to babysitters or maids. The behaviour of our youngsters is the product of outsourcing.

 

[jw5]

In mandarin? AT kid in action perhaps?

Unlikely to be AT, at least not from the north, since neither grandmother nor kid spoke with a northern slang.

 

[jw5]

That day, I was standing in front of an elderly couple who were seated in the reserved seats diagonally across from the kid and his grandmother. Won't easily forget the shocked and bemused looks on their faces when the kid made the comment about elderly people walking slowly because they were dying and repeated it a few times. Initially, the couple were just smiling and shaking their heads, but that turned to shock and bemusement.

Could be an intelligent kid brought up in a tough environment, possibly sees his parents quarelling fiercely often. He spoke very loudly and clearly for his age which means he could be a polititian in future. :o
Seriously hope he makes good, otherwise our society will have another adult pest to deal with.

 

[tonychat]

That day, I was standing in front of an elderly couple who were seated in the reserved seats diagonally across from the kid and his grandmother. Won't easily forget the shocked and bemused looks on their faces when the kid made the comment about elderly people walking slowly because they were dying and repeated it a few times. Initially, the couple were just smiling and shaking their heads, but that turned to shock and bemusement.

Could be an intelligent kid brought up in a tough environment, possibly sees his parents quarelling fiercely often. He spoke very loudly and clearly for his age which means he could be a polititian in future. :o
Seriously hope he makes good, otherwise our society will have another adult pest to deal with.

Speaking loudly and clearly is not a pre requisite of being a politician. It is the foundation to be a loud sinkie that have the quality of china chink. He will mixed well with china ft. They will be shouting at each other even when they are sitting close to each other.

 

[Windsor]

That day, I was standing in front of an elderly couple who were seated in the reserved seats diagonally across from the kid and his grandmother. Won't easily forget the shocked and bemused looks on their faces when the kid made the comment about elderly people walking slowly because they were dying and repeated it a few times. Initially, the couple were just smiling and shaking their heads, but that turned to shock and bemusement.

Could be an intelligent kid brought up in a tough environment, possibly sees his parents quarelling fiercely often. He spoke very loudly and clearly for his age which means he could be a polititian in future. :o
Seriously hope he makes good, otherwise our society will have another adult pest to deal with.

Intelligent kids are precocious and say things that they learned from the adults. Most likely the grandmothermust have said some things about old people as he might have asked her. Maybe she said she is old and may die soon and when he sees old people he repeat what he knows. In today's lifestyle, children are left very much to maids or grandparents as parents need to work. It is hard to punish and discipline kids that are not yours.

At his age, he can relate to his parents what happened to him when they are not around. Grandparents normally will not punish their grandchildren and leave the disciplining of the child to their parents.

 

[Sadist]

The real issue is that most people feel that smacking is the best way to correct misbehaviour. Unfortunately, in a way it is true. If a kid has not learnt basic manner in public places by 6, then threat indeed is the fastest and most effective way to curd further misconduct. However, if effort is made at the baby stage to complement good acts or to point out what is wrong, life will be so much easier later. (most didn't do it because they think it is silly trying to talk sense to a baby) Instead we actually encourage "misbehaviour" because such action by a baby is actually quite cute. For example, when a baby first learnt to sweep things to the floor when he disliked it, we will pick up the item and encourage him to do it again and again. Parenting is a complex job but many thought they can outsource to babysitters or maids. The behaviour of our youngsters is the product of outsourcing.

Agreed parenting is a slow and complex process. I would even extend to their teenage years and adult life through mentoring in their social circle or office. But to expect a kid of 6 to acquire all the baisc manner in public places is way too unrealistic. When, without failed in my daily life I have encounterd so many aunties and uncles with their lack of manners or totally oblivious to the surrounding.

 

[zhihau]

Parenting is a complex job but many thought they can outsource to babysitters or maids. The behaviour of our youngsters is the product of outsourcing.

bro,

last noted the very first batch of latched key child whom grew up in the 80s should be in their 30s-40s now, also young parents now :o:o:o

 

[zhihau]

Grandparents normally will not punish their grandchildren and leave the disciplining of the child to their parents.

kids of that age do not have a well developed per-frontal cortex, the punishment has to be mete out there & then, against the action and not against the child. if you want the punishment to be carried out away from the sight of the public, might be a bit late.

 

[Windsor]

kids of that age do not have a well developed per-frontal cortex, the punishment has to be mete out there & then, against the action and not against the child. if you want the punishment to be carried out away from the sight of the public, might be a bit late.

Pulling the child away and talking to the kid about why he did wrong is different from slapping, kicking or doing whatever in public as punishment. The tendency to punish the child immediately often is in anger and might end up abusing the child physically. Many a time parents misbehave too, by shouting, creating ugly scenes or physically beating up children in public. I, personally believe in punishment but not using hands and feet, but asking the child to go to his room or taking away something he likes.

 

[Raiders]

I would say it is the fault of the TV and also the over indulgence of the parents. Let me relate what happened to me these few days in Vietnam. I'm back with my wife celebrating CNY with her family and her brother's 6 year old daughter constantly came up to me and say this like this, 'uncle, why are you so handsome' or 'my fatty uncle, I love you so much' and she would be touchy here and there until I felt really embarrassed. The adults soon realised it and her mum totally banned her from coming near me. I was of course relieved by this. My wife's sister even added some fuel by saying, 'so young and starts to seduce the uncle already.' Later on, my wife told me that it might be due to the fact that she likes to watch HK and TW shows, goes for tuition in an international language school, hence learnt all the behaviour from there.
My wife's sister(the one who added fuel) daughter on the other hand is not like this. Totally different and proper. That's because her father locks her up at home the whole day and being poor, could not afford to send the daughter to enrichment classes and hence no chance to be expose to the outside world much.

 

[zhihau]

I, personally believe in punishment but not using hands and feet, but asking the child to go to his room or taking away something he likes.

I use this method too!
only when the child is old enough to reason and associate his bad actions to these punishments, usually around 10years onwards

 

[Unrepented]

Building tentage and camping for more

I would say it is the fault of the TV and also the over indulgence of the parents. Let me relate what happened to me these few days in Vietnam. I'm back with my wife celebrating CNY with her family and her brother's 6 year old daughter constantly came up to me and say this like this, 'uncle, why are you so handsome' or 'my fatty uncle, I love you so much' and she would be touchy here and there until I felt really embarrassed. The adults soon realised it and her mum totally banned her from coming near me. I was of course relieved by this. My wife's sister even added some fuel by saying, 'so young and starts to seduce the uncle already.' Later on, my wife told me that it might be due to the fact that she likes to watch HK and TW shows, goes for tuition in an international language school, hence learnt all the behaviour from there.
My wife's sister(the one who added fuel) daughter on the other hand is not like this. Totally different and proper. That's because her father locks her up at home the whole day and being poor, could not afford to send the daughter to enrichment classes and hence no chance to be expose to the outside world much.

 

[Raiders]

Building tentage and camping for more

No lah. I admit I'm a horny bastard but I will never touch children or relative's wife. I know where is my limit and I still have my sanity