A closer look at the number of foreigners in Singapore - Only 63% is local now.

[stickystickgirl]

The Immigration debate thread - A closer look at the number of foreigners in SG

In 2009:

Singapore total population: 5 million
Singapore residents: 3.7 million. (Sg residents includes PR and Citizens)
Singapore citizens: 3.17 million (Out of 3.7 million, 0.53 million are PRs who are not Sg citizens)

Source: http://www.singstat.gov.sg/stats/keyind.html

That means currently only 63% of people in Singapore are local citizens.

However, this figure does not include transient tourists to Singapore. Currently, around 1 million tourists visit Singapore every month. So basically, at any time in Singapore, we have around 6 million people total, of which 3.17 million are citizens.

Source: https://www.stbtrc.com.sg/images/links/X1Annual_Report_On_Tourism_Statistics_2008v3.pdf

That means that at any one time, only 52.3% of people in Singapore are Singapore citizens. Which means if you walk on the streets, around 1 out of every 2 person is a foreigner.

 

[123456787654321]

That's good. More foreigners means more jobs for Singaporeans. Without foreigners, Singapore would cease to exist. More must be done to increase the percentage of foreigners.

 

[Received_by_Kings]

Doesn't matter. Numbers are just numbers.

And when the East Europeans come in, life should be even more colorful. The press would maybe have even more urban and heartland stories to tell.

Embrace and love your new neighbors too. Learn to accept change.

 

[stickystickgirl]

Here it gets even more interesting.

Singapore is aiming for a population of around 6.5million to replace its ageing population and prevent its population from shrinking.

According to this 938live report in March 2010, the govt says they need to grant 20,000 new citizenships each year just to replace its citizen core due to falling birth rate. And it also grants around 60,000 PRs each year.

Source: http://www.938live.sg/News/Singapor..._PRs_and_citizenships_last_year_Minister_Wong

Therefore, you do the math and count how many percent of the people in Singapore will be Singaporeans 10 years from now when they import around 1 million more foreigners. And how many of these citizens will be true blue local born Singaporeans?

Since most of these foreigners who take up PR and citizenship are largely Malaysian Chinese or China Chinese or etc, this means that the streets of Singapore will be increasing Chinese speaking.

Currently, when you walk around any neighbourhood stores or go to any hawker centre, they are all staffed by Malaysian Chinese or China Chinese who cannot speak a single sentence in English.

So you have stores that have their menus, shopfronts, everything in English. Then you have assistants inside who cannot speak a single sentence in English.

And why are they calling these people "foreign talents" when many of them are really illiterates or only semi literate. The overwhelming majority of them cannot even read, write and speak to a local Primary 6 standard. And Singapore is attracting mostly people from third world countries instead of people from first world countries who are educated and literate in English (which is the first language in Singapore).

How is that "foreign talent"?

The govt then says they cannot mandate English tests for foreign workers because even some Singaporeans cannot speak English well.

But hey, those Singaporeans who cannot speak English are illiterates.

So why are we benchmarking our immigrants against our illiterates? Since there are Singaporeans who are violent criminals too should we let in violent criminals as well? And even those illiterate Singaporeans normally speak some basic English where you can order stuff from them easily.

What is the point of educating our kids in English as their first language, and putting up all these shopfronts, menus, recipes in English, when the staffs all cannot speak English?

This immigration thing is all in a mess.

 

[peterpan707]

Re: The Immigration debate thread - A closer look at the number of foreigners in SG

In 2009:


Singapore citizens: 3.17 million (Out of 3.7 million, 0.53 million are PRs who are not Sg citizens)

The PRs who are not Sg citizens are entitled job credit scheme which uses singapore reserves that suppose to save job. In other words, PR which is consider FT uses Singapore reserves to save their job.

Not sure if PR create job for Singaporean. But they need job credit scheme to save their job. Need singapore to fund and save their job.

 

[stickystickgirl]

I am no issues against immigration and accepting migrants. But what kind of migrants are we accepting?

We are accepting mostly third world migrants who are illiterates or semi-literates and the overwhelming majority of them cannot even read, write and speak to a local Primary 6 standard.

We are shooting ourselves in the foot really. After educating the population for 50 years to get to where we are today, this immigration thing where massive number of third world migrants flow in will set the population back 50 years.

 

[Royalblood]

We are accepting mostly third world migrants who are illiterates or semi-literates and the overwhelming majority of them cannot even read, write and speak to a local Primary 6 standard.

erm so u want some really highly educated migrants from developed countries to do the dishes, sweep the floor, clean the toilet....etc....

Everyone has a role in a society. These lowly educated migrants are here to pick up lousy jobs we shun, at a low wage, which when converted back to their home currency term is quite a fortune. What's wrong with that? I need a service and i pay them an amount which is way above their reservation wage to do the job, and that amount is like way below my willingness to pay.

This market sounds very efficient to me leh.

I believe most Singaporeans are against those FTs who come in and compete with them for jobs they want.

 

[myfoot123]

We must not forget the percentage of foreigners employed in main stream media to destroy the sovereignity of Singapore. This is PAP strategy of attacking Singaporeans from both outer and inner force with one agenda - genocide.

 

[Teo Kok Eng]

Re: The Immigration debate thread - A closer look at the number of foreigners in SG

That means that at any one time, only 52.3% of people in Singapore are Singapore citizens. Which means if you walk on the streets, around 1 out of every 2 person is a foreigner.

That's true, the situation is the same in almost any major international city. That's what happen when the city is globalized.

 

[Cestbon]

Re: The Immigration debate thread - A closer look at the number of foreigners in SG

You suddenly wake up!
I know it few year ago.
If you calculate manpower even worst for every one citizen worker there are 2FT+PR worker. Meaning ratio 1 citizen to 2(FT+PR).

 

[manokie]

Re: The Immigration debate thread - A closer look at the number of foreigners in SG

Now they need to prevent the FT to use medical and social resources. It is actually better FT remain FT rather than become citizens.

 

[Subok]

Doesn't matter. Numbers are just numbers.

And when the East Europeans come in, life should be even more colorful. The press would maybe have even more urban and heartland stories to tell.

Embrace and love your new neighbors too. Learn to accept change.

"A single death is a tragedy; a million is a statistic."
Erich Maria Remarque; attributed to Josef Stalin

your death may be a tragedy; but you are but another digit to the statistic

 

[potato29]

And why are they calling these people "foreign talents" when many of them are really illiterates or only semi literate. The overwhelming majority of them cannot even read, write and speak to a local Primary 6 standard.

according to filip yeo and MM
foreign talent = foreigner who is hungry and have spurs stuck into their hides.

 

[Einfield]

Re: The Immigration debate thread - A closer look at the number of foreigners in SG

With open leg FT policy, I notice that the resume i recently receive:

1.) 80% are FT
2.) Sinkies with 10-15 years of working experience, Uni grad, pay never increase, still stuck at the 3-5K range.

There's no hope for a better quality of life for most of the working folks, no matter how qualified or Experience, there's a whole army of FT willing to do it for less, PAP will argue that this us good for Singapore because we are competitive and they can continue to collect Tax$ and stay in power and upgrade your lift.

But for the ordinary man in the street, you are screwed for life unless you struck 4D, BTW Singapore Sweep is also own by them.

You suddenly wake up!
I know it few year ago.
If you calculate manpower even worst for every one citizen worker there are 2FT+PR worker. Meaning ratio 1 citizen to 2(FT+PR).

 

[gbomega]

Re: The Immigration debate thread - A closer look at the number of foreigners in SG

3 locals 1 foreigner is the target. Then we can have our golden age like in Tang Dynasty.

 

[nitecrawllerr]

Re: The Immigration debate thread - A closer look at the number of foreigners in SG

If u loose them join them. But in this case, I rather not cos next on my card is migration.

 

[ChaoPappyPoodle]

Re: The Immigration debate thread - A closer look at the number of foreigners in SG

That's true, the situation is the same in almost any major international city. That's what happen when the city is globalized.

Singapore is a country and not a city! Maybe only New York may be like that. Even London has scaled down on FTs.

Only a greedy fascist political party like the PAP will allow an entire country to be overrun by FTs even as their healthcare, housing, transportation and education infrastructure are insufficient for the locals.