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Chitchat $700m to run carparks!! - Why not tender like Bus Services

scroobal

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Just like the open tenders for bus services why not tender by regions or neighbourhoods for carparks. The Anglo-Australian company Tower Transit not only hired more Singaporeans at better pay, they forced the locals arseholes like SBS to raise the pay by the highest amount ever. .

$700m annually seems to be too high for a monopoly to carry on this manner. Time to see if private companies can run it more efficiently. It will also stop HDB hiring PAP porlumpars that milk the system.

With no checks and balances, I am sure there is lot of inefficiency and low performance like the SMRT.


http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/parking-fee-hike-after-big-jump-in-running-costsParking fee hike after big jump in running costs
Short-term parking charges will be increased by 20 per cent islandwide from December by both the HDB and URA. The Housing Board alone spends over $700 million a year operating carparks - building, maintaining and improving them.

PUBLISHED10 HOURS AGO

Without the latest rate hike, HDB stood to lose $100m a year; operating costs up 40% since 2002
Danson Cheong
The rising cost of operating public carparks here would have spelt big shortfalls for the Housing Board and the Urban Redevelopment Authority (URA), if parking fees had not been hiked.

Since 2002, when the rates were last raised, the cost of operating carparks has risen 40 per cent, the two agencies told The Straits Times.

Without the latest rate hike, HDB stood to lose $100 million a year. This was despite the two agencies earning a total of $667 million from their carparks in their latest financials for 2014/2015.

Last week, both agencies announced that short-term parking charges will be increased by 20 per cent islandwide from December.

This will be the first time public parking rates are being raised since 2002, when rates were increased about 10 per cent.The Housing Board and the Urban Redevelopment Authority manage 607,000 and 24,000 parking spaces respectively.

This means that outside of the restricted zone (RZ) in the city area, parking will cost $1.20 an hour, up from $1. Within the RZ, parking will cost double that - at $2.40 an hour, up from $2. Season parking rates will also go up.

In a joint statement to The Straits Times, the agencies said operating costs "which include maintenance, financing, depreciation and overall operating expenses" have risen by 40 per cent since 2002 and, at the current carpark rates, they would not be able to recover the full cost of parking provision.

They pointed out that HDB alone spends over $700 million a year operating carparks - building, maintaining and improving them.

"Without the increase in the carpark charges, HDB will face an average shortfall of more than $100 million for its carpark activity in the coming financial years," said the agencies, adding that URA also faces higher operating costs, and would run a deficit if fees were not revised.

URA also has to price parking appropriately to manage demand in its carparks, which are mostly located in the city centre, they said.

Private carpark operators, such as Wilson Parking (above), said they were studying the increased public charges closely.

In the financial year that ended in March this year, HDB reported an income of over $595 million from its carparks. The figure has risen gradually from $523 million in the 2009/2010 financial year.

Over the same period, URA has seen its income from parking fees and related charges rise from $62 million to $71 million.

An industry source said operating costs in the carpark business have increased by about 20 per cent to 30 per cent for private operators since 2002.

"The electronic parking systems (EPS) are the most expensive - it can cost up to $150,000 when we install them at a single carpark so, definitely, costs have increased," said the source, who is from a private parking operator.

The EPS is progressively being installed in HDB carparks, and has so far been implemented in 1,200 of the 2,000 HDB carparks.

Some motorists pointed out that the EPS should help agencies save on manpower costs, given that fewer parking attendants are required.

"High operating costs could instead mean URA and HDB are not using their resources efficiently," said Mr Scott Leong, 27, a ship chartering officer.

Mr Lim Biow Chuan, the MP for Mountbatten who sits on the Government Parliamentary Committee for Transport, said there are other "maintenance costs you cannot run away from".

"Cleaning, resurfacing, ensuring that the lines are drawn and lights are working... Some multistorey carparks have lifts as well," said Mr Lim. "These are maintenance costs that are not easily just written off like that."
 

enterprise2

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Just like the open tenders for bus services why not tender by regions or neighbourhoods for carparks. The Anglo-Australian company Tower Transit not only hired more Singaporeans at better pay, they forced the locals arseholes like SBS to raise the pay by the highest amount ever. .

$700m annually seems to be too high for a monopoly to carry on this manner. Time to see if private companies can run it more efficiently. It will also stop HDB hiring PAP porlumpars that milk the system.

With no checks and balances, I am sure there is lot of inefficiency and low performance like the SMRT.


http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/parking-fee-hike-after-big-jump-in-running-costsParking fee hike after big jump in running costs
Short-term parking charges will be increased by 20 per cent islandwide from December by both the HDB and URA. The Housing Board alone spends over $700 million a year operating carparks - building, maintaining and improving them.

PUBLISHED10 HOURS AGO

Without the latest rate hike, HDB stood to lose $100m a year; operating costs up 40% since 2002
Danson Cheong
The rising cost of operating public carparks here would have spelt big shortfalls for the Housing Board and the Urban Redevelopment Authority (URA), if parking fees had not been hiked.

Since 2002, when the rates were last raised, the cost of operating carparks has risen 40 per cent, the two agencies told The Straits Times.

Without the latest rate hike, HDB stood to lose $100 million a year. This was despite the two agencies earning a total of $667 million from their carparks in their latest financials for 2014/2015.

Last week, both agencies announced that short-term parking charges will be increased by 20 per cent islandwide from December.

This will be the first time public parking rates are being raised since 2002, when rates were increased about 10 per cent.The Housing Board and the Urban Redevelopment Authority manage 607,000 and 24,000 parking spaces respectively.

This means that outside of the restricted zone (RZ) in the city area, parking will cost $1.20 an hour, up from $1. Within the RZ, parking will cost double that - at $2.40 an hour, up from $2. Season parking rates will also go up.

In a joint statement to The Straits Times, the agencies said operating costs "which include maintenance, financing, depreciation and overall operating expenses" have risen by 40 per cent since 2002 and, at the current carpark rates, they would not be able to recover the full cost of parking provision.

They pointed out that HDB alone spends over $700 million a year operating carparks - building, maintaining and improving them.

"Without the increase in the carpark charges, HDB will face an average shortfall of more than $100 million for its carpark activity in the coming financial years," said the agencies, adding that URA also faces higher operating costs, and would run a deficit if fees were not revised.

URA also has to price parking appropriately to manage demand in its carparks, which are mostly located in the city centre, they said.

Private carpark operators, such as Wilson Parking (above), said they were studying the increased public charges closely.

In the financial year that ended in March this year, HDB reported an income of over $595 million from its carparks. The figure has risen gradually from $523 million in the 2009/2010 financial year.

Over the same period, URA has seen its income from parking fees and related charges rise from $62 million to $71 million.

An industry source said operating costs in the carpark business have increased by about 20 per cent to 30 per cent for private operators since 2002.

"The electronic parking systems (EPS) are the most expensive - it can cost up to $150,000 when we install them at a single carpark so, definitely, costs have increased," said the source, who is from a private parking operator.

The EPS is progressively being installed in HDB carparks, and has so far been implemented in 1,200 of the 2,000 HDB carparks.

Some motorists pointed out that the EPS should help agencies save on manpower costs, given that fewer parking attendants are required.

"High operating costs could instead mean URA and HDB are not using their resources efficiently," said Mr Scott Leong, 27, a ship chartering officer.

Mr Lim Biow Chuan, the MP for Mountbatten who sits on the Government Parliamentary Committee for Transport, said there are other "maintenance costs you cannot run away from".

"Cleaning, resurfacing, ensuring that the lines are drawn and lights are working... Some multistorey carparks have lifts as well," said Mr Lim. "These are maintenance costs that are not easily just written off like that."

Carpark biz very lucrative. Not much maintenance, demand always greater than supply. What can go wrong?
 

frenchbriefs

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this is what happens when u have a state run economy.price increases doesnt matter because the taxpayers can just pay and pay till bloody explosive diahrrear come out of their ass and alien chestbusters burst from their chests.
 

Papsmearer

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Everyone, please read this article carefully. Its full of bullshit.

In the first place, you cannot mix capital expenditures such as the construction of new carparks (building) with the maintenance of existing ones and call it a $700 million annual spending on car parks. Capital expenditures are not operating expenditures. The question asked very simply was why was the pricing raised when operating profits were increasing to over $500 million? This is a simple question of your total revenues from car park operations, minus your operating costs eg labour, repainting, maintenance, etc. to arrive at the $595 million number. Nothing to do with building carparks. All HDB has to say is how much they take in, how much they spend, and that is the remaining profit. They don't have to smoke everyone by adding building, depreciation, etc.

In addition, a lot of mention is made of depreciation. Obviously, fucktard HDB does not understand the principal of depreciation. Depreciation is simply an accounting item. Its not a physical dollar and cent thing. Its all on paper. I am not sure how long a term HDB uses for its capital depreciation calculations, but usually, its 25 to 30 years. So, lets say HDB builds a car park in 1990 for $500,000. Its entitled to write off 1/25 of the capital cost every year for the next 25 years to reduce its taxable income. the idea is that the building will be obsolete by then and will have to be replaced. This is an accounting principal because after 25 years, everything is written off and its just pure gravy after that. In my example, the car park build in 1990 for $500,000 would have been completely written off by 2015. Effectively, this part of the expenses is not there anymore. And the HDB can report even more profits. DO they reduce the pricing for customers when the car park is fully depreciated? Of course not. And these car parks have a life expectancy of 50 years or more. So, in effect, many of HDB's older car parks must have been already fully depreciated.

Its very easy for HDB to say this and that. Why don't they break it down and tell us how much depreciation they are writing off on the carparks? Also, I find it ridiculous that financing is considered part of the expenses of operating a car park. Seriously? Is HDB saying they had to borrow money to build the car park and have to pay interest on it? It costs next to nothing to build a car park (even a multi story one) compared to a block of flats. What happened to alll their surplus from years gone by?

These fuckers really think it still so easy to smoke sinkies? Even 70% morons can smell a fish.
 

virus

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if they retrench 90% of the ministers and cut the pay of the remaining 10% by 50%, they will not only be on the road to recovery, they can issue next new Jalan Sultan shares or even give you conservancy rebate for the next 10 years.

trust syriah law, when you chopped off a criminal hand, it reduces theft by 50%, not only shopkeepers benefit, lower prices were passed on to consumers who could then afford to upgrade from EC to terrace houses and paid even more for COE that rewards the gahment.
 

frenchbriefs

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The electronic parking system cost $150k to implement,then doesnt it make sense to implement them in places where its most cost effective like multistorey carparks?I see them popping up all over the place like daffodils,even in places where its just a narrow stretch of road with just a couple parking spots.each of this electronic gantry gates has a guardhouse and a computer and a aircon running 24/7.how much does it cost to run it?in a country where cheap labour is abundant,
 

frenchbriefs

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Everyone, please read this article carefully. Its full of bullshit.

In the first place, you cannot mix capital expenditures such as the construction of new carparks (building) with the maintenance of existing ones and call it a $700 million annual spending on car parks. Capital expenditures are not operating expenditures. The question asked very simply was why was the pricing raised when operating profits were increasing to over $500 million? This is a simple question of your total revenues from car park operations, minus your operating costs eg labour, repainting, maintenance, etc. to arrive at the $595 million number. Nothing to do with building carparks. All HDB has to say is how much they take in, how much they spend, and that is the remaining profit. They don't have to smoke everyone by adding building, depreciation, etc.

In addition, a lot of mention is made of depreciation. Obviously, fucktard HDB does not understand the principal of depreciation. Depreciation is simply an accounting item. Its not a physical dollar and cent thing. Its all on paper. I am not sure how long a term HDB uses for its capital depreciation calculations, but usually, its 25 to 30 years. So, lets say HDB builds a car park in 1990 for $500,000. Its entitled to write off 1/25 of the capital cost every year for the next 25 years to reduce its taxable income. the idea is that the building will be obsolete by then and will have to be replaced. This is an accounting principal because after 25 years, everything is written off and its just pure gravy after that. In my example, the car park build in 1990 for $500,000 would have been completely written off by 2015. Effectively, this part of the expenses is not there anymore. And the HDB can report even more profits. DO they reduce the pricing for customers when the car park is fully depreciated? Of course not. And these car parks have a life expectancy of 50 years or more. So, in effect, many of HDB's older car parks must have been already fully depreciated.

Its very easy for HDB to say this and that. Why don't they break it down and tell us how much depreciation they are writing off on the carparks? Also, I find it ridiculous that financing is considered part of the expenses of operating a car park. Seriously? Is HDB saying they had to borrow money to build the car park and have to pay interest on it? It costs next to nothing to build a car park (even a multi story one) compared to a block of flats. What happened to alll their surplus from years gone by?

These fuckers really think it still so easy to smoke sinkies? Even 70% morons can smell a fish.

Depreciation should go under assets I think,carpark is an asset,if they build it with their own money it should come out of their cash reserves,if they borrowed funds to build it,it should go on as debt at say 2%.then u have debt financing and depreciation to deal with.carpark management should be run like a reit.
 

halsey02

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Depreciation should go under assets I think,carpark is an asset,if they build it with their own money it should come out of their cash reserves,if they borrowed funds to build it,it should go on as debt at say 2%.then u have debt financing and depreciation to deal with.carpark management should be run like a reit.

We can argue till the 'cows come home', over accounting procedures, methods etc....they have already 'creatively' 'cooked' the books...so, no point, cry father, cry mother...

Mee Siam Mai Hum logic is...." no one os protesting outside CPF Building".....on CPF issues....the same goes here, anyone protesting outside URA & HDB HQ's??

The 70% approve what they do...so, why complain...just pay, pay & pay & pay....it is approved. period.:mad:
 

scroobal

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HDB handed over the running of town councils to MPs to run. Yet they kept the lucrative carpark maintenance and fees to themselves. When some buys a HDB flat, the price paid covers not the cost of actual flat but all the amenities including the carpark. All the private condos and private properties under the strata arrangement don't charge car park fees. All monthly management fee covers all these including swimming pool, security, cleaning, etc. Major upgrading works are undertaken by the sinking fund.

HDB carpark fees are rip off and a money making exercise.

Why not hand over the carparks to the Town Councils or take the Town Councils back.
 
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