2 Singaporean kids died falling from cliff in Malaysia before

[Tuayapeh]

I mean there is a time and place for people to do things. The school system should not be such that people are going to farther and farther places to try to outdo each other and so called challenge.

Physical challenge should be done when people are more physically ready and the place chosen should be evaluated carefully. Even if we can't prevent earth quake, we can minimise risk by not going to third world countries to take ferry just as an example.

Life is about taking calculated risk ( I'm sure no one have thought that earthquake will happen on that day ) , should we minimize road accident and prevent ppl from using the road ? I think the school have the best interest for the kid to enjoy nature and teach them what Mother Nature have to offer ( unfortunately Mother Nature offer them shit ) . It's really different when you learn nature in text book and to be there personally . By the way those kids do not use ropes to climb that mountain the most is just a trekking stick . It's not a dangerous sport .

 

[Tuayapeh]

Many of you have never climb mount Kinabalu . This is a video how the trail looks like . Does it seems dangerous for you ? Of course there's other trail to the top of the mountain but I doubt those kids are using those dangerous trail to the top .

[video=youtube;wa252LX7R8M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa252LX7R8M&sns=em[/video]

 

[Tuayapeh]

Even old man and old woman can climb that mountain

[video=youtube;whrOBQZiK-A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whrOBQZiK-A&sns=em[/video]

 

[Tuayapeh]

This is how a typical Japanese family enjoying nature together , some pussy sinkies family will even criticize why let a kid so young to ride on a bike or playing dangerously as I said before , playing is also kind of conditioning to make the kids tough now you know why the percentage of kids wearing glasses in sinkapore are so high compared to other country cause their Pussy parents rather want their kids to play computer games sinkies kids can only be tough in cyberspace aka cyber warrior

[video=youtube;C-3J2ABD1iw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-3J2ABD1iw&sns=em[/video]

 

[zeebjii]

Life is about taking calculated risk ( I'm sure no one have thought that earthquake will happen on that day ) , should we minimize road accident and prevent ppl from using the road ? I think the school have the best interest for the kid to enjoy nature and teach them what Mother Nature have to offer ( unfortunately Mother Nature offer them shit ) . It's really different when you learn nature in text book and to be there personally . By the way those kids do not use ropes to climb that mountain the most is just a trekking stick . It's not a dangerous sport .

Why do you keep using using the road, like some christians always quoting the bible, because they don't have a brain of their own? Crossing the road is a necessity of everyday life, sending young kids to climb 4km mountains in 2 days is not. Mother nature is everywhere, even at your neighbourhood park. You never been to a park before?

 

[Tuayapeh]

Why do you keep using using the road, like some christians always quoting the bible, because they don't have a brain of their own? Crossing the road is a necessity of everyday life, sending young kids to climb 4km mountains in 2 days is not. Mother nature is everywhere, even at your neighbourhood park. You never been to a park before?

Using road for example is simple for people like you to understand the message I'm trying to send . Everything we do will be dangerous if we are not careful or being unlucky . What so difficult about climbing that mountain ? Even old people with walking problem can do that . You call Singapore park " nature " and not man made ? I think maybe you have never seen real nature in your life thinking those neighborhood park is the work of nature . Are you saying since we can see animals in zoo so people don't have to go and experience how animals live in the wild ? Why don't you say since Singapore have golden mile so people shouldnt go Thailand ?



" Crossing the road is a necessity of everyday life, sending young kids to climb 4km mountains in 2 days is not "

By your argument , kids should not take airplane at all because of some accident happen in airline and it's not a daily necessity

 

[zeebjii]

Using road for example is simple for people like you to understand the message I'm trying to send . Everything we do will be dangerous if we are not careful or being unlucky . What so difficult about climbing that mountain ? Even old people with walking problem can do that . You call Singapore park " nature " and not man made ? I think maybe you have never seen real nature in your life thinking those neighborhood park is the work of nature . Are you saying since we can see animals in zoo so people don't have to go and experience how animals live in the wild ? Why don't you say since Singapore have golden mile so people shouldnt go Thailand ?



" Crossing the road is a necessity of everyday life, sending young kids to climb 4km mountains in 2 days is not "

By your argument , kids should not take airplane at all because of some accident happen in airline and it's not a daily necessity

LOL you still miss my point totally. There are 90 year old marathon runners, and there are 70 year old sky divers. And im sure there are 12 year olds who can summit Mt Everest. So what? Did their government or school send them there? Is it wrong to think the school was very irresponsible to send 12 year old kids to climb 4000m mountain in 2 days, using ropes and harnesses?

 

[Seee3]

LOL you still miss my point totally. There are 90 year old marathon runners, and there are 70 year old sky divers. And im sure there are 12 year olds who can summit Mt Everest. So what? Did their government or school send them there? Is it wrong to think the school was very irresponsible to send 12 year old kids to climb 4000m mountain in 2 days, using ropes and harnesses?

The high fatalities among the 12 year olds is a clear sign that something is not right. Among the adults that perished, it appears that they are mostly the guides or teachers who are duty bound to protect their charge.

Not all dangers can be mitigated. However, with better knowledge, the risk can be lowered. As an example, once we when trekking and after a tiring day, we unpacked and were resting on a flat plain. Suddenly, we heard rumbling sound and our guide yelled at us to gather our belongings and run to high ground. We did as ordered, wondering what was the urgency. In no time we saw huge volume of water rushing down and the place where we were resting was totally covered by a body of rushing water. Without the guide, we might have been washed away.

We were lucky to have a guide as he knew that where we were resting was actually a dried river bed. When there is heavy downpour up in the mountain, flash flood will occur. Therefore, in all adventure trips, we need proper knowledge of the possible dangers, the signs to look out for and ways to protect ourselves. Sg children are sheltered and our basic survival instinct is not the best. In one of the reports on this mishap, some girls were saved because the teacher brought them to hide under an overhanging rock from the falling boulders. Unfortunately, the teacher is one of the victims as he went out again to help other students.

Although the route to KK imay be manageable by 12 year old, there are still possible dangers like falling rocks, ... The types of dangers, the sign and the appropriate responses must be impressed in the mind of the children before the trip. There is no time to think in an emergency. Our reaction has to be spontaneous through proper preparation. If the children had been put through strict drills on how to take cover when they hear rumbling sound instead of trying to find out what is happening, then the chances of survival may be better.

There should be more emphasis on the possible dangers and preparatory trainings on the proper responses if schooll wish to embark on future adventure trip instead of relying on past experiences and give false comfort that the expedition is relatively safe. Accident can happen and will happen. Those who take things for granted like crossing the road when the light is green without proper look out for blurr drivers are potential victims that will find themselves lying under the wheels of buses and lorries.

 

[Narong Wongwan]

OBS one or two weeks long camp at Pulau ubin was about physical challenge and endurance training - long distance canoeing, sailing, trekking, rock climbing and rappelling, diving into sea etc. So if mountain climbing is considered leadership training, OBS is same category lor.

I wonder what is the legal age for such nature activities at OBS? Last time we went there at aged 15 and I don't think people should do such strenuous activities at aged 12.

Last time 15 year olds go St. John's island for camping.
Now 12 year olds made to climb mount Kinabalu.
Betterer fasterer again?
Trying to outdo each other chasing kpi until kids Mati.
Well done moe well done pap