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Shocking!! PM Lee Hsien Loong Say USA is #1 Superpower of World for Decades to Come

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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...-a-win-win-for-china-u-s-lee-hsien-loong.html

Win-Win for China-U.S.: Lee Hsien Loong

The world has recovered remarkably quickly from the financial crisis. But growth is now on two tracks: developed economies still struggling with fiscal, financial and structural problems, while emerging economies, especially in Asia, are growing robustly. The resulting global imbalances have created international tensions.

The Group of 20 has emerged as a forum to tackle these issues. It was especially effective during the crisis, and remains valuable as it is more inclusive than the G-8.

The most consequential relationship in the world today is between the U.S. and China. There has been significant friction, notably over exchange rates. The yuan issue is politically hard -- the U.S. sees an undervalued Chinese currency as unfair competition, while China fears that sharp revaluation will disrupt its economy, causing unemployment and unrest.

But from an economic point of view, this needn’t be a win- lose battle. A gradually appreciating yuan will encourage Chinese export industries to restructure and upgrade, help distribute the gains from growth more broadly beyond exports to the rest of the economy, and mitigate inflation, which is a growing problem in China. At the same time, it will help ease political pressures in the U.S. and tensions in the relationship.

The U.S. and China need to build mutual trust, in order to cooperate on a range of tough international issues, including Iran’s nuclear program and North Korea. Otherwise each side will doubt the other’s motives, especially when problems arise, such as over competing claims in the South China Sea.

Pre-Eminent Superpower

The world is witnessing a gradual shift in the relative balance of influence and economic power. The U.S. will remain the pre-eminent superpower for decades.
But Asian countries see and sense China’s growing influence and are adjusting their stances to benefit from that nation’s growth and to consolidate their relationships with China. Yet almost all of them wish the U.S. to stay engaged in Asia. They want to be friends with both the U.S. and China, and not be forced to choose sides.

The Chinese are aware of foreign perceptions that with growing strength it has become more assertive. China’s leaders have emphasized that the country is committed to peaceful development and has no aggressive intentions. China’s domestic challenges are numerous and daunting. Its government must uplift hundreds of millions who remain in poverty, create social safety nets for its people, moderate major disparities in wealth and development, and maintain social and political stability so that progress can continue.

Chinese Leadership

No less than the U.S. or other democracies, China has its own domestic politics that it can’t ignore. China’s leaders need to explain this reality, and their basic thinking, convincingly to international audiences, who see Beijing and Shanghai and think that is China. But countries will also watch China’s actions -- how it conducts itself on international issues such as climate change, and what the leaders say to their own people on China’s role in the world.

As world economies recover, governments must continue promoting global trade, to deepen the international division of labor and foster long-term prosperity for all. More immediately, the win-win results of freer trade will give a badly needed boost to demand and growth. During the crisis, protectionist pressures were a real worry. Fortunately, governments took fewer protectionist and retaliatory actions than many feared, but they also made very few positive trade moves.

Trade Tensions

In the U.S., there is little political appetite for free trade; hence the slow progress of its bilateral Free Trade Agreements and the World Trade Organization’s Doha Round. But there are some recent positive developments. The renegotiated free-trade agreement between South Korea and the U.S. was settled recently, though not yet ratified. The U.S. is also one of nine Asia-Pacific countries negotiating a Trans-Pacific partnership, which will be a pathway toward the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation’s vision of a free-trade area of the Asia- Pacific region.

Countries shouldn’t rest there. Leaders need to persuade electorates worried about unemployment and apprehensive about the future that free trade will benefit them in the long term. Globalization poses significant challenges to countries. Competition is intense, change is continuous, and the fruits of prosperity are unevenly distributed. But trying to shut out competition or freeze the status quo will fail, nor will currency realignments create real, sustainable prosperity.

Investment in Skills

The only reliable strategy for improving the lives of citizens is for countries to upgrade the skills of their people and the capabilities of their economies. This means educating the population to enhance their earning power, investing in technology and infrastructure to raise overall productivity, developing new industries to replace declining ones, and constantly adapting to stay relevant in a changing world.

Beyond promoting growth, governments must build political support for free markets and economic integration. Growth has to benefit the many, not just a few. The state needs to tilt the playing field in favor of the less successful, and those having difficulties keeping up. But it must do so in a sustainable way, without undermining the human drive to do well and get ahead. This is what Singapore is striving to do, to improve its people’s lives and advance as a nation.

(Lee Hsien Loong is the prime minister of Singapore. The opinions expressed are his own.)
 

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One Word : POR-LUM-PAH
 

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Don't know if he really thinks that or if he really cares:confused:

Spore still relies on trade with the US, so he's just making the correct political correct noises :smile:
 

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US will still remain a superpower for decades to come, that is true although I don't like the US. Simply, it is a huge country and collapse of huge countries take many years to vitalize. However, its influence will be curbed in other nations as the other nations can choose to trade with China. China will become the 'check' against US.

Funny thing though, the Chinese government officials are sending their children to study abroad in US for they perceive it to be superior than Chinese schools. These 'bright young minds' might end up staying in the US as they cannot bear to leave the comfortable life. So in a way, they might indirectly aid the US.
 

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US will still remain a superpower for decades to come, that is true although I don't like the US. Simply, it is a huge country and collapse of huge countries take many years to vitalize. However, its influence will be curbed in other nations as the other nations can choose to trade with China. China will become the 'check' against US.

Funny thing though, the Chinese government officials are sending their children to study abroad in US for they perceive it to be superior than Chinese schools. These 'bright young minds' might end up staying in the US as they cannot bear to leave the comfortable life. So in a way, they might indirectly aid the US.

It is 100% true. THE USA is and will be the unchallenged super power
for a long long time to come.

It is so obvious and the facts are out there for those who wish to see
and understand. But not for those blinded by this nonsensical China hype.
.
 

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I didn't bother to read the whole article. Just the header alone is enough for me to post a reply.

What LHL says is true. USA will STILL be the world's #1 superpower in decades to come. This is even what the China chinese colleagues whom I'm working with are agreeing.

So what's there to be surprised? Only those donkeys who think that China will be the next superpower in 5 years time is mad. :mad:
 
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USA will collapse under the weight of trillions of dollars of debt in the near future, no doubt about it.
 

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It is 100% true. THE USA is and will be the unchallenged super power
for a long long time to come.

It is so obvious and the facts are out there for those who wish to see
and understand. But not for those blinded by this nonsensical China hype.
.
Unchallenged is too positive. It will be challenged, but it will not fall like dominoes as many pro-China people will say. A huge country with influences in many nations won't collapse within 5 years. I dare say US and China will be equals only in 40 years time.
 

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ah loong... arh... ah loong...
3 big spaceships arriving soon,
you still busy por-obama-lum-pah ..
wait then you know who is superpower..
 

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Shut the fuck up and take care of your citizens.
 

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Unchallenged is too positive. It will be challenged, but it will not fall like dominoes as many pro-China people will say. A huge country with influences in many nations won't collapse within 5 years. I dare say US and China will be equals only in 40 years time.

In 40 years..??? ...Your basis to say that ?
And which are the main factors where the USA and China
would be equals in 40 years time ?

Economy ?.
 

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US will still remain a superpower for decades to come, that is true although I don't like the US. Simply, it is a huge country and collapse of huge countries take many years to vitalize. However, its influence will be curbed in other nations as the other nations can choose to trade with China. China will become the 'check' against US.

Funny thing though, the Chinese government officials are sending their children to study abroad in US for they perceive it to be superior than Chinese schools. These 'bright young minds' might end up staying in the US as they cannot bear to leave the comfortable life. So in a way, they might indirectly aid the US.

You may have missed out some points in your observation.

Take this example - USA vs China, the apparent factor taken into
consideration by people here is economic size.
One vs the other - when or if the second one will overtake the
other and hence a silly conclusion.

Well. in this one vs the other equation, there are other players
who will constantly upset the equation. Other powers like Brazil,
India, Russia, Japan are not standing still. They will also increase their
economic size and the one who is second will always have to
accept the fact that his economic clout will get diluted by the third
and the third by the fourth and so on.

And each one of them is comparing against the USA whose
clout is not affected at all. It remains dominant all the time.

Right now, in economic terms. The GDP of USA is 18 Trillion dollars.
China is 7 Trillion. The Euro zone is 12 trillion.

But, I will add one more thing. There is no sense at all to measure,
assess or estimate a country and its power in terms of GDP alone.
That would be sheer crap.
.
Many financial experts say such things based on GDP.
Example: Templeton's Mark Mobius says that India will
overtake China in 15 years time.
Note: Here the comparison is the second vs third.
It is not about global super power status or about top clout player.
.
 

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In 40 years..??? ...Your basis to say that ?
And which are the main factors where the USA and China
would be equals in 40 years time ?

Economy ?.
This is just my speculation. I don't believe China will be able to be a superpower in 5 years as most pro-China people said. The rise of a nation like China, besieged with corruption and poverty, will take around 40 - 50 years to be considered superpower. Simply, Chinese are not as compliant and there is no such thing as a gulag to punish them for failing to meet targets. Again, this is just my thinking.
 

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This is just my speculation. I don't believe China will be able to be a superpower in 5 years as most pro-China people said. The rise of a nation like China, besieged with corruption and poverty, will take around 40 - 50 years to be considered superpower. Simply, Chinese are not as compliant and there is no such thing as a gulag to punish them for failing to meet targets. Again, this is just my thinking.

I asked if the factor Economy was what you took into consideration
while making that conclusion - of 40 years.

Because, if that is the one and only factor being considered
then that conclusion may be flawed.

It took the USA nearly 200 years to establish its software..the
constitutional framework, the pluralistic political systems,
the legal systems etc , which are the backbone and spinal cord
around which the economy grows, nourish, firms and strengthened.

The reason why the USD is the global reserve currency, where
98% of world trade uses it at any time of day or night.

Where, the rest of the world peg their own currencies against
the USD reference.

I can give more example..but got work to do.. sorry..
.
 

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You may have missed out some points in your observation.

Take this example - USA vs China, the apparent factor taken into
consideration by people here is economic size.
One vs the other - when or if the second one will overtake the
other and hence a silly conclusion.

Well. in this one vs the other equation, there are other players
who will constantly upset the equation. Other powers like Brazil,
India, Russia, Japan are not standing still. They will also increase their
economic size and the one who is second will always have to
accept the fact that his economic clout will get diluted by the third
and the third by the fourth and so on.

And each one of them is comparing against the USA whose
clout is not affected at all. It remains dominant all the time.

Right now, in economic terms. The GDP of USA is 18 Trillion dollars.
China is 7 Trillion. The Euro zone is 12 trillion.

But, I will add one more thing. There is no sense at all to measure,
assess or estimate a country and its power in terms of GDP alone.
That would be sheer crap.
.
Many financial experts say such things based on GDP.
Example: Templeton's Mark Mobius says that India will
overtake China in 15 years time.
Note: Here the comparison is the second vs third.
It is not about global super power status or about top clout player.
.

In a way, I agree that the clout of USA will not be affected as US is seen as 'Big Brother' of the world. Furthermore, the European Union is still not keen to make deals with China and often antagonizes China by welcoming the Dalai Lama. This shows that the clout of China has yet to be welcomed.

Even if the US collapse financially, its influence is already etched into the mind and hearts of many other countrymen. Talk about US, and you get mostly positive comments. Talk about PRC, and you get mostly negative comments.

For the nations you have mentioned like Brazil/Japan/India/Russia, I feel that they will spread their influence by allying with either US or China. The most likely alliance will be US-India-Japan VS China-Russia-Brazil.

GDP is not a reliable indicator of power, which is why I wonder why SG is so obsessed about it.
 

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I asked if the factor Economy was what you took into consideration
while making that conclusion - of 40 years.

Because, if that is the one and only factor being considered
then that conclusion may be flawed.

It took the USA nearly 200 years to establish its software..the
constitutional framework, the pluralistic political systems,
the legal systems etc , which are the backbone and spinal cord
around which the economy grows, nourish, firms and strengthened.

The reason why the USD is the global reserve currency, where
98% of world trade uses it at any time of day or night.

Where, the rest of the world peg their own currencies against
the USD reference.

I can give more example..but got work to do.. sorry..
.

It is not just about economy. Economy wise, China might be able to win US in a matter of years. Unfortunately, China will never be like US in terms of getting the 'true development' since they always believe in results rather than methods.

You can already tell the difference in both education systems. Chinese education system is based solely on results, methods never questioned. Western education system is based on the methods you use, results not important.

China can only grow economically but to say the framework, it will be difficult as the CCP will want to maintain its iron grip on their people. Pluralistic political system is going to be the death kneel for CCP. Legal systems will be hard to be rid of corruption since 'guanxi' is quite common in China. China will just replace the former USSR as the US opponent.

China is also facing the problem of keeping its provinces in check and obedient to Beijing, just like how US had problems keeping the states together 200 years ago.

It will be hard for China yuan to be the next global reserve currency as their monetary board is not transparent enough.
 

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The US has been Singapore's biggest trading partner for such a long time, of course it's only prudent to praise your best customer.
 

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Not really surprised to hear this but this will upset many China hawks here.
 

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Not really surprised to hear this but this will upset many China hawks here.

Well for Singapore's sake we should be glad that America will maintain military superiority in the Pacific for decades to come.

The Chinese know they can never beat the Americans.
 
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