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MM Lee speaks frankly.....

theblackhole

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The New York Times interviews Lee Kuan Yew:

“SO, when is the last leaf falling?” asked Lee Kuan Yew, the man who made Singapore in his own stern and unsentimental image, nearing his 87th birthday and contemplating age, infirmity and loss.

“I can feel the gradual decline of energy and vitality,” said Mr. Lee, whose “Singapore model” of economic growth and tight social control made him one of the most influential political figures of Asia. “And I mean generally, every year, when you know you are not on the same level as last year. But that’s life.” …

But in these final years, he said, his life has been darkened by the illness of his wife and companion of 61 years, bedridden and mute after a series of strokes.

“I try to busy myself,” he said, “but from time to time in idle moments, my mind goes back to the happy days we were up and about together.” Agnostic and pragmatic in his approach to life, he spoke with something like envy of people who find strength and solace in religion. “How do I comfort myself?” he asked. “Well, I say, ‘Life is just like that.’ ” …


Always physically vigorous, Mr. Lee combats the decline of age with a regimen of swimming, cycling and massage and, perhaps more important, an hour-by-hour daily schedule of meetings, speeches and conferences both in Singapore and overseas. “I know if I rest, I’ll slide downhill fast,” he said. When, after an hour, talk shifted from introspection to geopolitics, the years seemed to slip away and he grew vigorous and forceful, his worldview still wide ranging, detailed and commanding.

And yet, he said, he sometimes takes an oblique look at these struggles against age and sees what he calls “the absurdity of it.”

“I’m reaching 87, trying to keep fit, presenting a vigorous figure, and it’s an effort, and is it worth the effort?” he said. “I laugh at myself trying to keep a bold front. It’s become my habit. I just carry on.”

HIS most difficult moments come at the end of each day, he said, as he sits by the bedside of his wife, Kwa Geok Choo, 89, who has been unable to move or speak for more than two years. She had been by his side, a confidante and counselor, since they were law students in London.

“She understands when I talk to her, which I do every night,” he said. “She keeps awake for me; I tell her about my day’s work, read her favorite poems.” He opened a big spreadsheet to show his reading list, books by Jane Austen, Rudyard Kipling and Lewis Carroll as well as the sonnets of Shakespeare. …

A political street fighter, by his own account, he has often taken on his opponents through ruinous libel suits.

He defended the suits as necessary to protect his good name, and he dismissed criticisms by Western reporters who “hop in and hop out” of Singapore as “absolute rubbish.”

In any case, it is not these reporters or the obituaries they may write that will offer the final verdict on his actions, he said, but future scholars who will study them in the context of their day.

“I’m not saying that everything I did was right,” he said, “but everything I did was for an honorable purpose. I had to do some nasty things, locking fellows up without trial.”

And although the leaves are already falling from the tree, he said, the Lee Kuan Yew story may not be over yet.

He quoted a Chinese proverb: Do not judge a man until his coffin is closed.

“Close the coffin, then decide,” he said. “Then you assess him. I may still do something foolish before the lid is closed on me.”
 

Lee5604

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This is more or less the full version: the blackhole has ommitted one the main points of the interview - MM Lee Kuan Yew uses Christian meditation every night to get a good night's sleep.

THE SATURDAY PROFILE
Days of Reflection for Man Who Defined Singapore


Lee Kuan Kew at his office in Singapore.
By SETH MYDANS
Published: September 10, 2010

“SO, when is the last leaf falling?” asked Lee Kuan Yew, the man who made Singapore in his own stern and unsentimental image, nearing his 87th birthday and contemplating age, infirmity and loss.

“I can feel the gradual decline of energy and vitality,” said Mr. Lee, whose “Singapore model” of economic growth and tight social control made him one of the most influential political figures of Asia. “And I mean generally, every year, when you know you are not on the same level as last year. But that’s life.”

In a long, unusually reflective interview last week, he talked about the aches and pains of age and the solace of meditation, about his struggle to build a thriving nation on this resource-poor island, and his concern that the next generation might take his achievements for granted and let them slip away.

He was dressed informally in a windbreaker and running shoes in his big, bright office, still sharp of mind but visibly older and a little stooped, no longer in day-to-day control but, for as long as he lives, the dominant figure of the nation he created.

But in these final years, he said, his life has been darkened by the illness of his wife and companion of 61 years, bedridden and mute after a series of strokes.

“I try to busy myself,” he said, “but from time to time in idle moments, my mind goes back to the happy days we were up and about together.” Agnostic and pragmatic in his approach to life, he spoke with something like envy of people who find strength and solace in religion. “How do I comfort myself?” he asked. “Well, I say, ‘Life is just like that.’ ”

“What is next, I do not know,” he said. “Nobody has ever come back.”

The prime minister of Singapore from its founding in 1965 until he stepped aside in 1990, Mr. Lee built what he called “a first-world oasis in a third-world region” — praised for the efficiency and incorruptibility of his rule but accused by human rights groups of limiting political freedoms and intimidating opponents through libel suits.

His title now is minister mentor, a powerful presence within the current government led by his son, Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong. The question that hovers over Singapore today is how long and in what form his model may endure once he is gone.

Always physically vigorous, Mr. Lee combats the decline of age with a regimen of swimming, cycling and massage and, perhaps more important, an hour-by-hour daily schedule of meetings, speeches and conferences both in Singapore and overseas. “I know if I rest, I’ll slide downhill fast,” he said. When, after an hour, talk shifted from introspection to geopolitics, the years seemed to slip away and he grew vigorous and forceful, his worldview still wide ranging, detailed and commanding.

And yet, he said, he sometimes takes an oblique look at these struggles against age and sees what he calls “the absurdity of it.”

“I’m reaching 87, trying to keep fit, presenting a vigorous figure, and it’s an effort, and is it worth the effort?” he said. “I laugh at myself trying to keep a bold front. It’s become my habit. I just carry on.”

HIS most difficult moments come at the end of each day, he said, as he sits by the bedside of his wife, Kwa Geok Choo, 89, who has been unable to move or speak for more than two years. She had been by his side, a confidante and counselor, since they were law students in London.

“She understands when I talk to her, which I do every night,” he said. “She keeps awake for me; I tell her about my day’s work, read her favorite poems.” He opened a big spreadsheet to show his reading list, books by Jane Austen, Rudyard Kipling and Lewis Carroll as well as the sonnets of Shakespeare.

Lately, he said, he had been looking at Christian marriage vows and was drawn to the words: “To love, to hold and to cherish, in sickness and in health, for better or for worse till death do us part.”

“I told her, ‘I would try and keep you company for as long as I can.’ That’s life. She understood.” But he also said: “I’m not sure who’s going first, whether she or me.”

At night, hearing the sounds of his wife’s discomfort in the next room, he said, he calms himself with 20 minutes of meditation, reciting a mantra he was taught by a Christian friend: “Ma-Ra-Na-Tha.”

The phrase, which is Aramaic, comes at the end of St. Paul’s First Epistle to the Corinthians, and can be translated in several ways. Mr. Lee said that he was told it means “Come to me, O Lord Jesus,” and that although he is not a believer, he finds the sounds soothing.
“The problem is to keep the monkey mind from running off into all kinds of thoughts,” he said. “A certain tranquillity settles over you. The day’s pressures and worries are pushed out. Then there’s less problem sleeping.”

He brushed aside the words of a prominent Singaporean writer and social critic, Catherine Lim, who described him as having “an authoritarian, no-nonsense manner that has little use for sentiment.”

“She’s a novelist!” he cried. “Therefore, she simplifies a person’s character,” making what he called a “graphic caricature of me.” “But is anybody that simple or simplistic?”

The stress of his wife’s illness is constant, he said, harder on him than stresses he faced for years in the political arena. But repeatedly, in looking back over his life, he returns to his moment of greatest anguish, the expulsion of Singapore from Malaysia in 1965, when he wept in public.

That trauma presented him with the challenge that has defined his life, the creation and development of a stable and prosperous nation, always on guard against conflict within its mixed population of Chinese, Malays and Indians.

“We don’t have the ingredients of a nation, the elementary factors,” he said three years ago in an interview with the International Herald Tribune, “a homogeneous population, common language, common culture and common destiny.”

Younger people worry him, with their demands for more political openness and a free exchange of ideas, secure in their well-being in modern Singapore. “They have come to believe that this is a natural state of affairs, and they can take liberties with it,” he said. “They think you can put it on auto-pilot. I know that is never so.”

The kind of open political combat they demand would inevitably open the door to race-based politics, he said, and “our society will be ripped apart.”

A political street fighter, by his own account, he has often taken on his opponents through ruinous libel suits.

He defended the suits as necessary to protect his good name, and he dismissed criticisms by Western reporters who “hop in and hop out” of Singapore as “absolute rubbish.”

In any case, it is not these reporters or the obituaries they may write that will offer the final verdict on his actions, he said, but future scholars who will study them in the context of their day.

“I’m not saying that everything I did was right,” he said, “but everything I did was for an honorable purpose. I had to do some nasty things, locking fellows up without trial.”

And although the leaves are already falling from the tree, he said, the Lee Kuan Yew story may not be over yet.

He quoted a Chinese proverb: Do not judge a man until his coffin is closed.

“Close the coffin, then decide,” he said. “Then you assess him. I may still do something foolish before the lid is closed on me.”
 
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theblackhole

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Thank you.

It does not really matter Christian or non-Christian....He chants, he prays,he meditates...he is still cultivating his mind...He is showing great compassion for his wife...his love, his dedication and commitment to her...

How many of us do this?
 

johnny333

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I've always wondered how many millions or billions he's acquired from Spore Inc :confused: It's a mystery equal to the rumoured Marcos gold :rolleyes:

The fact that they eliminated the death taxes when they expected her to die hints at an enormously fortune :confused:
 

aurvandil

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Death the Leveller
By James Shirley
1596-1666

THE glories of our blood and state
Are shadows, not substantial things;
There is no armour against Fate;
Death lays his icy hand on kings:
Sceptre and Crown
Must tumble down,
And in the dust be equal made
With the poor crooked scythe and spade.

Some men with swords may reap the field,
And plant fresh laurels where they kill:
But their strong nerves at last must yield;
They tame but one another still:
Early or late
They stoop to fate,
And must give up their murmuring breath
When they, pale captives, creep to death.

The garlands wither on your brow,
Then boast no more your mighty deeds!
Upon Death's purple altar now
See where the victor-victim bleeds.
Your heads must come
To the cold tomb:
Only the actions of the just
Smell sweet and blossom in their dust./
 

myfoot123

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The New York Times interviews Lee Kuan Yew:
I may still do something foolish before the lid is closed on me.”

Than don't be foolish. For every foolish thing you did trying to pass time over your sick wife, those foolish thing would have caused more sufferings to other innocent people. If you feel sorry and painful for your wife, spare a thought for the people too. The world doesn't exist for you, it existed for everyone including lesser mortal. You old fool!!
 

theblackhole

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Thank you Aurvandil for that wonderful, beautiful and truthful poem...GREAT!
Didn't know you are also a poet too!

You've stopped casino althogether and now giving advice to young gamblers?
 

theblackhole

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Than don't be foolish. For every foolish thing you did trying to pass time over your sick wife, those foolish thing would have caused more sufferings to other innocent people. If you feel sorry and painful for your wife, spare a thought for the people ..........

We never know what MM will do for the people before the last leaf falls..I hope and pray that he will do something fair, right and just...I'm optimistic...His constant prayers and chantings will enlighten him...and his mind will lead him to the Right Path and the Right Action..

So do not pre-judge the man.
 

Equalisation

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Frankly or not truthfully, .. it really boils down to the sole decision of the Biggest Chief this afternoon ...All the Way!!! :biggrin:
 

theblackhole

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I think MM can still contribute a great deal to Singapore.

Before the last leaf falls, whatever he says and whatever he comments and does NOW will definitely influene the fate and destiny of all Singaporeans...

He is still a very powerful man and what he says goes a long long way.....hopefully something good and beneficial to all singaporeans...
 
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RACE 2


Race experience should pave the way to Cinderella Man (8) proving hard to beat. Both efforts to date have been solid including a debut second behind the highly impressive Kennecott. He’s drawn a good gate and is expected to go close. Biggest Chief (2) ran well on debut, hitting the line strongly. He will be improved by the outing and make a bold bid while Don Baertschiger has two first starters in Hush Hush (4) and Moonlite Shower (5) who have shown ability at the trials and are expected to run forward races here.


RACE 7
Smallest field of the day and it looks an open race. Mr Raffles (2) could not have been more impressive at his last two outings and should be hard to hold out. He’s drawn the middle of the line-up and although back in distance looks up to the test. Collect The Cash (4) is a class performer who has been competing against the likes of Better Than Ever of late. He looks well placed in this line-up while Arapuni (6) stuck to his task in good fashion last time when up in grade following a win in Class 4 grade. The small field suits. Shaolin Soldier (5) looked the goods in weaker company last time and down in weight here should be competitive.
 

aurvandil

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Thank you Aurvandil for that wonderful, beautiful and truthful poem...GREAT!
Didn't know you are also a poet too!

You've stopped casino althogether and now giving advice to young gamblers?

As I wrote before, I don't gamble seriously at the casinos anymore. I go up once in a while with my kakis to Genting to unwind but iit is more of a social thing than a hard core gambling thing. The days of making the midnight run to Genting, keepng a low profile to avoid casino security and rushing back to ressume a "normal" life on Monday are long over for me.

I give advice to anyone who would listen. I won't claim to be right all the time but I try to be as accurate as I can. Gambling is bad enough as it is. You don't have to make it worst by misleading people with bad advice.

On the poem, it was wrtten by James Shirley. I came across it in my youth and it has stuck with me ever since. It helps remind us that no matter how great we might think ourselves to be, we are all equal when we are finally called home.
 

lky_hearse

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He quoted a Chinese proverb: Do not judge a man until his coffin is closed.

“Close the coffin, then decide,” he said. “Then you assess him. I may still do something foolish before the lid is closed on me.”

I am waiting!

Honk! Honk! Honk!

Come to the hearse bastard!

:p
 

ChaoPappyPoodle

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Please do not pre-judge or misjudge MM....We might all be wrong...

This is the same guy that made it a law that all legal stamp duties pertaining to HDB purchases had to be done only at his and his wife's law firm. Only after JBJ whacked him in parliament did he stop.

This is the same guy that has been shown to have been a wayang king during the telecast of him crying on TV during separation from Malaysia.

This is the same guy that has said that he wants Singaporeans to work and not have time to think about civil society issues.

This is the man that has plunged Singapore into a dark abyss. Without LKY, Singapore would have flourished as a global port as it always has for the last 200 years.

FUCK U LKY!:oIo:
 

ChaoPappyPoodle

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We never know what MM will do for the people before the last leaf falls..I hope and pray that he will do something fair, right and just...I'm optimistic...His constant prayers and chantings will enlighten him...and his mind will lead him to the Right Path and the Right Action..

So do not pre-judge the man.

:oIo::oIo::oIo::oIo::oIo::oIo:
 
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