Chitchat Japan vs China

When one goes to Japan, nearly everything is done to very high standards - hygiene, food, clothes, buildings,trains, roads, road signs, farms, shops, products, crafts and artisans, mannerisms, and even their culture. Its the same with their treatment of their environment and nature.

When one goes to China, the good things are in history - great wall, terra cotta warriors etc.

I always wondered despite their proximity, similar roots compared to other main ethnic groups where the fork in the road ocurred. The Koreans in the last 30 years have powered ahead and now have created their own identity.

Even when you talk to the natives of the 3 cultures, the Chinese will inevitably go back to his history, the Japanese will not talk about his history but his culture and the Korean will talk about their recent ascendency.

China is a behemoth and scale alone seems to be the only singular factor for its place on the world stage.

What gives?

The Japanese and Koreans have first world mentality but the Chinese are still entrenched in third world thinking and behaviour. Therein lies the difference.

There has to be soemthing in history that led to this. One theory is population pressure and their history of natural disasters of huge scale - perennial floods etc have led to a survivalist mentality, everything else takes second place.

ynk2252 said:

The Japanese and Koreans have first world mentality but the Chinese are still entrenched in third world thinking and behaviour. Therein lies the difference.

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scroobal said:

... Even when you talk to the natives of the 3 cultures, the Chinese will inevitably go back to his history, the Japanese will not talk about his history but his culture and the Korean will talk about their recent ascendency ...

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pips like 2 tok about achiefmens n glories ...

chinks got no recent glories 2 tok about, so dey go 2 tok about ze past ...

japs dunwan 2 tok about history bcoz dey scared pipz bring out their ww2 atrocities ...

gooks has no history nor culture 2 boast ...


sinkies wil boast about world crass, world bestest, world lumpar 1 in sinkielan ...

scroobal said:

What gives?

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The cultural revolution? hmm...

scroobal said:

There has to be soemthing in history that led to this. One theory is population pressure and their history of natural disasters of huge scale - perennial floods etc have led to a survivalist mentality, everything else takes second place.

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Mao murdered a great number of the cultured intelligentsia and left the bottom of the barrel so this state of affairs is not unexpected.

It stands as the largest human tragedy ever and it was completely man-made and by one man. Millions perished. And that man was absolutely right - power grows from the barrel of a gun and he used it to kill him own people. And look at Taiwan.

zhihau said:

The cultural revolution? hmm...

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He removed the threat to his power by removing the Intelligentsia and China is still paying the price even now - note the lack of civility, manners when on tours, hotels and in Airline.

ynk2252 said:

Mao murdered a great number of the cultured intelligentsia and left the bottom of the barrel so this state of affairs is not unexpected.

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What is culture? Can eat or not? Moneys in pocket food in stomach more important.

scroobal said:

When one goes to Japan, nearly everything is done to very high standards - hygiene, food, clothes, buildings,trains, roads, road signs, farms, shops, products, crafts and artisans, mannerisms, and even their culture. Its the same with their treatment of their environment and nature.

When one goes to China, the good things are in history - great wall, terra cotta warriors etc.

I always wondered despite their proximity, similar roots compared to other main ethnic groups where the fork in the road ocurred. The Koreans in the last 30 years have powered ahead and now have created their own identity.

Even when you talk to the natives of the 3 cultures, the Chinese will inevitably go back to his history, the Japanese will not talk about his history but his culture and the Korean will talk about their recent ascendency.

China is a behemoth and scale alone seems to be the only singular factor for its place on the world stage.

What gives?

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Whilst there may be many explanations and especially those who are fond of Chinese bashing to justify their looking down on China, and laugh at their supposedly backwardness, 'culturally' or otherwise, let's not forget the simple facts :

1 China is the biggest country in the world with the most number of people within its legal borders;
2 In terms of size, despite whatever usually shown on world maps, China is a country with a land area that is so vast that it occupies a few time zones;
3 Officially, it has 38 recognised different nationalities (cultural, social, ethnic) within its borders, each with its own developed languages and practices. They only common language that unites China and made the country great is Mandarin. Great kudos must also be given to a man, 2000 years ago who united and created the concept and entity known by everyone person on earth as 'China';
4 In terms of recorded history, China has over 5,000 years of traceable and recorded history, one in which no other one people or one country could be compared in terms of details and richness;
5 China as a country just survived great disasters less than 100 years ago - end of a thousand year system of feudal government, natural disasters, invasion by barbaric jappies (the rape of Nanking, the murders of 20 million people in NE China), WW2, civic war, the Great Leap forward, the Cultural Revolution, etc, etc;
6 The Cultural revolution in particular set back China's progress by more than 30 years until rational minded and nationalistic leaders like Teng, managed to break though the cloud of confusion and set the country on the path of development. Even then, the systems are not yet fully developed, nor mature and there is a long way for the leaders to bring the country into truly modern society. In many hard science areas, China and Chinese have already shown themselves to be capable to complete and even lead the world. Even more so in many other areas like cultural, social, etc in the many years to come.

So, it is completely a laugh, when the west and their so called pseudo democracy and all of the liberal tards try and impose their systems on China.

Simple....China as a country has thrived and survived with many periods of cultural, social, economic golden eras in the last 5,000 years. What is 'democracy' and western civilization but just an upstart with a mere few hundred years of muddled and war infested histories. Come on, don't teach the grandfather how to suck eggs!!!

In terms of population size, what is usa, any country in Europe or anywhere else as compared to China? Managing and governing 1500 million people is just not the same as governing a mere 100 million people or so. So, again, don't come to the master and try to show off the skills when they are the ones who are backward and retarded.

Give China another 50 years, when their systems are adjusted and in place, the country will lead the world, hopefully, never in the barbaric and greedy baronic robber master style of the ang mos.

Cheers

Much of what you wrote are about size and history, something which I mentioned in my opening thread. People do actually expect much more from China for the very reasons suggested - size and history and much earlier. The big question is what is holding it back and for this long.

When you step into Japan, from the airport to walking the streets one just is amazed how even little things are done and to such a high quality. I just can't explain why these 2 countries developed so differently.

If you look at other countries, you can see close similarity to their neighbours and the region. Examples are UK and France, Kenya and Uganda, US and Canada and for South America say between Bolivia and Peru. You can see a continuum of sorts in the examples cited. Look at Australia and NZ, same thing. But not where China and Japan is concerned. Its quite remarkable.

fupikee said:

Whilst there may be many explanations and especially those who are fond of Chinese bashing to justify their looking down on China, and laugh at their supposedly backwardness, 'culturally' or otherwise, let's not forget the simple facts :

1 China is the biggest country in the world with the most number of people within its legal borders;
2 In terms of size, despite whatever usually shown on world maps, China is a country with a land area that is so vast that it occupies a few time zones;
3 Officially, it has 38 recognised different nationalities (cultural, social, ethnic) within its borders, each with its own developed languages and practices. They only common language that unites China and made the country great is Mandarin. Great kudos must also be given to a man, 2000 years ago who united and created the concept and entity known by everyone person on earth as 'China';
4 In terms of recorded history, China has over 5,000 years of traceable and recorded history, one in which no other one people or one country could be compared in terms of details and richness;
5 China as a country just survived great disasters less than 100 years ago - end of a thousand year system of feudal government, natural disasters, invasion by barbaric jappies (the rape of Nanking, the murders of 20 million people in NE China), WW2, civic war, the Great Leap forward, the Cultural Revolution, etc, etc;
6 The Cultural revolution in particular set back China's progress by more than 30 years until rational minded and nationalistic leaders like Teng, managed to break though the cloud of confusion and set the country on the path of development. Even then, the systems are not yet fully developed, nor mature and there is a long way for the leaders to bring the country into truly modern society. In many hard science areas, China and Chinese have already shown themselves to be capable to complete and even lead the world. Even more so in many other areas like cultural, social, etc in the many years to come.

So, it is completely a laugh, when the west and their so called pseudo democracy and all of the liberal tards try and impose their systems on China.

Simple....China as a country has thrived and survived with many periods of cultural, social, economic golden eras in the last 5,000 years. What is 'democracy' and western civilization but just an upstart with a mere few hundred years of muddled and war infested histories. Come on, don't teach the grandfather how to suck eggs!!!

In terms of population size, what is usa, any country in Europe or anywhere else as compared to China? Managing and governing 1500 million people is just not the same as governing a mere 100 million people or so. So, again, don't come to the master and try to show off the skills when they are the ones who are backward and retarded.

Give China another 50 years, when their systems are adjusted and in place, the country will lead the world, hopefully, never in the barbaric and greedy baronic robber master style of the ang mos.

Cheers

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In a way, a lot of Japan's culture comes from ancient China as far back as Han and Tang dynasty. In Korea, it was as recent as Ming and Qing dynasty.

The current China was mainly screwed up by communist crooks during the cultural revolution.

China's Lost Generation
[video=youtube;X9Dh2gFX4Mg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9Dh2gFX4Mg[/video]

fupikee said:

Whilst there may be many explanations and especially those who are fond of Chinese bashing to justify their looking down on China, and laugh at their supposedly backwardness, 'culturally' or otherwise, let's not forget the simple facts :

1 China is the biggest country in the world with the most number of people within its legal borders;
2 In terms of size, despite whatever usually shown on world maps, China is a country with a land area that is so vast that it occupies a few time zones;
3 Officially, it has 38 recognised different nationalities (cultural, social, ethnic) within its borders, each with its own developed languages and practices. They only common language that unites China and made the country great is Mandarin. Great kudos must also be given to a man, 2000 years ago who united and created the concept and entity known by everyone person on earth as 'China';
4 In terms of recorded history, China has over 5,000 years of traceable and recorded history, one in which no other one people or one country could be compared in terms of details and richness;
5 China as a country just survived great disasters less than 100 years ago - end of a thousand year system of feudal government, natural disasters, invasion by barbaric jappies (the rape of Nanking, the murders of 20 million people in NE China), WW2, civic war, the Great Leap forward, the Cultural Revolution, etc, etc;
6 The Cultural revolution in particular set back China's progress by more than 30 years until rational minded and nationalistic leaders like Teng, managed to break though the cloud of confusion and set the country on the path of development. Even then, the systems are not yet fully developed, nor mature and there is a long way for the leaders to bring the country into truly modern society. In many hard science areas, China and Chinese have already shown themselves to be capable to complete and even lead the world. Even more so in many other areas like cultural, social, etc in the many years to come.

So, it is completely a laugh, when the west and their so called pseudo democracy and all of the liberal tards try and impose their systems on China.

Simple....China as a country has thrived and survived with many periods of cultural, social, economic golden eras in the last 5,000 years. What is 'democracy' and western civilization but just an upstart with a mere few hundred years of muddled and war infested histories. Come on, don't teach the grandfather how to suck eggs!!!

In terms of population size, what is usa, any country in Europe or anywhere else as compared to China? Managing and governing 1500 million people is just not the same as governing a mere 100 million people or so. So, again, don't come to the master and try to show off the skills when they are the ones who are backward and retarded.

Give China another 50 years, when their systems are adjusted and in place, the country will lead the world, hopefully, never in the barbaric and greedy baronic robber master style of the ang mos.

Cheers

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Nice write up expecting to see more Chinese dogs come in to flame China.

scroobal said:

Much of what you wrote are about size and history, something which I mentioned in my opening thread. People do actually expect much more from China for the very reasons suggested - size and history and much earlier. The big question is what is holding it back and for this long.

When you step into Japan, from the airport to walking the streets one just is amazed how even little things are done and to such a high quality. I just can't explain why these 2 countries developed so differently.

If you look at other countries, you can see close similarity to their neighbours and the region. Examples are UK and France, Kenya and Uganda, US and Canada and for South America say between Bolivia and Peru. You can see a continuum of sorts in the examples cited. Look at Australia and NZ, same thing. But not where China and Japan is concerned. Its quite remarkable.

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this is a terrible analogy but Japan is to China what Singapore is to Malaysia,of course China is nothing like Malaysia.Japan is just a tiny little pissant island barely the size of my thumb on the globe with a 100 million people squeezed on it.of course its going to be all shiny and developed because they have already build and developed every square inch of that place and theres nothing else to develop just like Singapore except to build and rebuild,i myself have seen a single road near fort rd been rebuild and expanded three times in the last eight years,China on the other hand is a gigantic place like USA,and just like USA even after 100 years of industrialization while China has barely had 30 years or so.USA still has vast amounts of countryside and rural areas and its fair share of ghettos and slums.and i have no idea what u guys are talking about the development of china,if u have seen the scale and development of the top 10 or 20 cities in China in the past fifteen years,even Singapore cannot match up with it,sure right now the gdp per capital and the real estate value of these major Chinese cities may not be as high as Singapore with the exception of the top Chinese cities,but their infrastructure and technology has already long surpassed Singapore.

scroobal said:

Much of what you wrote are about size and history, something which I mentioned in my opening thread. People do actually expect much more from China for the very reasons suggested - size and history and much earlier. The big question is what is holding it back and for this long.

When you step into Japan, from the airport to walking the streets one just is amazed how even little things are done and to such a high quality. I just can't explain why these 2 countries developed so differently.

If you look at other countries, you can see close similarity to their neighbours and the region. Examples are UK and France, Kenya and Uganda, US and Canada and for South America say between Bolivia and Peru. You can see a continuum of sorts in the examples cited. Look at Australia and NZ, same thing. But not where China and Japan is concerned. Its quite remarkable.

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Good job my fellow Chinese dog. We chinks are far inferior compared to the superior japanese. :o

Opium trade and 2 opuum trade wars the fuckingmg british Empire, Americans and French gave to the Chinese.

Then the French invasion of China that French failed miserably.

Then the japs bastards war wirh China.

50 years of opium trade wars and 150 years of poor China was painful period fir the mainland China.

Even u dont find opium war history in china and think chinese deserved it.

Japan Korea and Taiwan were not affected by the opium war becos jap resist the British and won stopped the british. The jap protected Korea and Taiwan but china was too big for jap tp help.

Therefore jap korea and Taiwan leaped frog to modernized their country and keep their identity.

China was poor for 150 years and poor nations will lose thier identity.

Look anmt Middle East today. British Empire drug trafficker USA are turning ME into poor nations.

China must intervene fight the white british Empire today get right of this white bastard who have ruin many countries in the lad400 years.

scroobal said:

There has to be soemthing in history that led to this. One theory is population pressure and their history of natural disasters of huge scale - perennial floods etc have led to a survivalist mentality, everything else takes second place.

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scroobal said:

Much of what you wrote are about size and history, something which I mentioned in my opening thread. People do actually expect much more from China for the very reasons suggested - size and history and much earlier. The big question is what is holding it back and for this long.

When you step into Japan, from the airport to walking the streets one just is amazed how even little things are done and to such a high quality. I just can't explain why these 2 countries developed so differently.

If you look at other countries, you can see close similarity to their neighbours and the region. Examples are UK and France, Kenya and Uganda, US and Canada and for South America say between Bolivia and Peru. You can see a continuum of sorts in the examples cited. Look at Australia and NZ, same thing. But not where China and Japan is concerned. Its quite remarkable.

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My answers to your new questions are already contained in my reply - very much depends on history, size and population plus culture.

Again consider the facts :

1 Japan is basically a four island country with a population of only slightly over 100 million. Cannot compare to China with 1500. When you have more people, there are more diversity, more differences and people do things differently.

2 Japan has a few hundred years or can say even close to a thousand years, isolated itself from other countries. Physically, it is isolated with the islands buffeted by winds, storms and hurricanes, plus earthquake prone fault lines. Given this, it has more or less, after absorbing cultural ballasts from China, sets its own path culturally and socially for centuries, till the Meiji. It had and still is developing a very strong culturally, socially homogenous country, except in the last 50 years or so when westernised influence attacked the very essence of what constitute jappie culture and society.

China's history is more tumulous, with many peoples of different cultures and practices, separated by vast land distances, clobbered together. Many times in their history, the north and south were ruled by different dynasties at the same time. What distinguish them from other races is the fact that they share the same common writing language and nowadays, a common spoken dialect, Mandarin. Such differences of course lead to different ways of doing things - it is hard to be homogenous without raising a big hue and cry, except where there is a proper agreed system of behaviour or laws, example the feudal and Confucianism ethics.

3 Again, history told us China survived through a very difficult and disastrous Cultural Revolution. One of the greatest damages was the rejection and demolishment of the past, history, practices and culture, in particular, the more or less total destruction of the Confucian ethical system. People do not respect the elders, past practices and even the very leaders and system that it is contained in. People even question the Communist ideology, but managed to use Maoism as a base of its governance. But then, as historians said, it is incomplete and not totally ideal to govern China, such a vast diverse land as compared to the centuries old Confucian ethics built up.

Many people in China nowadays say they got no religion. Morals? maybe no, so we have businessmen who put poison into milk powder and food in order to earn big money. Money is the new ethos but if allowed to carry on will lead to disasters for the country and peoples, everyone for himself.

Somewhere in the next 50 years, China leadership will realise they need a ethnos system of governance - that is, a ideology that spells out clearly to the people, what they ought to do in managing the society and nation. Sun Yat Sen's san ming ideology is a great start, but much meat needs to be build up against the framework to enable the country to prosper in the right, morally ethical manner.

In a nutshell, such a ethos system says - here are the rules, each of you who has a role to play need to play the role properly, someone will take care of you and everyone can progress happily and prosper together. In other words, a replacement of the Confucian ethics that helped to develop Chinese Culture, but were destroyed during the cultural revolution.

4 Whilst African or European countries near to each other may share many similarities in terms of development, these again can trace back to a common history, not that they got governed by the same people. Just that they went through the historical periods together. But if you really take a closer look at each of them, they have many differences - this accounts for the diversity between the Cossacks, gypies, hungarians, blankans, polish, jews with each other. Such differences often were deadly leading to pogroms and ethical cleansing. In recent history, we see the breakup of Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia - even after over 50 years of common communist ideology, once the binds are off, each race and ethnical unit went out of their way to fight their way to supremacy - resulting in genocides all over. Even now, the euro multiculturalism is a myth, and to hope to get it adopted by a united euro is a day dream....the euro is as good as dead, because no nation and ethnic group will be willing to give up the powers of governance to others, especially unelected governors in Brussels.

So I do hope with the above, there is a better understanding of why some countries and regions develop different or supposedly perceived similar patterns.

The purpose is to offer a different point of view from a broader perspective. One should not just be blindsided by mere supposed physical differences and place judgements on nations or peoples for differences and be puzzled. Such argument is just one point of view.

That is all. Cheers

tanwahtiu said:

Opium trade and 2 opuum trade wars the fuckingmg british Empire, Americans and French gave to the Chinese.

Then the French invasion of China that French failed miserably.

Then the japs bastards war wirh China.

50 years of opium trade wars and 150 years of poor China was painful period fir the mainland China.

Even u dont find opium war history in china and think chinese deserved it.

Japan Korea and Taiwan were not affected by the opium war becos jap resist the British and won stopped the british. The jap protected Korea and Taiwan but china was too big for jap tp help.

Therefore jap korea and Taiwan leaped frog to modernized their country and keep their identity.

China was poor for 150 years and poor nations will lose thier identity.

Look anmt Middle East today. British Empire drug trafficker USA are turning ME into poor nations.

China must intervene fight the white british Empire today get right of this white bastard who have ruin many countries in the lad400 years.

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China screwed themselves up so no need to blame anyone else for their present unculturedness. You are an ah pek but got Mat brain.

Bro. Even you lack clarity the British Empire opium trade history in china the deztroyed Chinese.

Who make u forget this important part of china modern history.

Dont u knoe if the French invasion
of China in 1876 and failed miserably?

fupikee said:

Whilst there may be many explanations and especially those who are fond of Chinese bashing to justify their looking down on China, and laugh at their supposedly backwardness, 'culturally' or otherwise, let's not forget the simple facts :

1 China is the biggest country in the world with the most number of people within its legal borders;
2 In terms of size, despite whatever usually shown on world maps, China is a country with a land area that is so vast that it occupies a few time zones;
3 Officially, it has 38 recognised different nationalities (cultural, social, ethnic) within its borders, each with its own developed languages and practices. They only common language that unites China and made the country great is Mandarin. Great kudos must also be given to a man, 2000 years ago who united and created the concept and entity known by everyone person on earth as 'China';
4 In terms of recorded history, China has over 5,000 years of traceable and recorded history, one in which no other one people or one country could be compared in terms of details and richness;
5 China as a country just survived great disasters less than 100 years ago - end of a thousand year system of feudal government, natural disasters, invasion by barbaric jappies (the rape of Nanking, the murders of 20 million people in NE China), WW2, civic war, the Great Leap forward, the Cultural Revolution, etc, etc;
6 The Cultural revolution in particular set back China's progress by more than 30 years until rational minded and nationalistic leaders like Teng, managed to break though the cloud of confusion and set the country on the path of development. Even then, the systems are not yet fully developed, nor mature and there is a long way for the leaders to bring the country into truly modern society. In many hard science areas, China and Chinese have already shown themselves to be capable to complete and even lead the world. Even more so in many other areas like cultural, social, etc in the many years to come.

So, it is completely a laugh, when the west and their so called pseudo democracy and all of the liberal tards try and impose their systems on China.

Simple....China as a country has thrived and survived with many periods of cultural, social, economic golden eras in the last 5,000 years. What is 'democracy' and western civilization but just an upstart with a mere few hundred years of muddled and war infested histories. Come on, don't teach the grandfather how to suck eggs!!!

In terms of population size, what is usa, any country in Europe or anywhere else as compared to China? Managing and governing 1500 million people is just not the same as governing a mere 100 million people or so. So, again, don't come to the master and try to show off the skills when they are the ones who are backward and retarded.

Give China another 50 years, when their systems are adjusted and in place, the country will lead the world, hopefully, never in the barbaric and greedy baronic robber master style of the ang mos.

Cheers

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tanwahtiu said:

Opium trade and 2 opuum trade wars the fuckingmg british Empire, Americans and French gave to the Chinese.

Then the French invasion of China that French failed miserably.

Then the japs bastards war wirh China.

50 years of opium trade wars and 150 years of poor China was painful period fir the mainland China.

Even u dont find opium war history in china and think chinese deserved it.

Japan Korea and Taiwan were not affected by the opium war becos jap resist the British and won stopped the british. The jap protected Korea and Taiwan but china was too big for jap tp help.

Therefore jap korea and Taiwan leaped frog to modernized their country and keep their identity.

China was poor for 150 years and poor nations will lose thier identity.

Look anmt Middle East today. British Empire drug trafficker USA are turning ME into poor nations.

China must intervene fight the white british Empire today get right of this white bastard who have ruin many countries in the lad400 years.

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we got raped by qing,then we were raped by the west for 150 years,then the japs decided to rape us at the weakest moment of our history,the cultural revolution couldnt be helped,we were already at a very low point in history and we got sucked up in the madness of mao but then they said it was only thanks to mao's unification of china that today's china is possible today.

now china wants to do a little raping of our own,all of a sudden the west,USA and japan and others start making noise and kpkb,oi vey,these people just dunno when to shut up do they?they had their moment of fun now they want to bitch?

i say level the whole of japan with fire bombs and incendiary