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SDP will withdraw.
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hmm... really need my coffee to think straight now :(:(:(
Ok I will take up your bet. Sdp will not withdraw
They seem to have committed to the pos and will not withdraw
They seem to have committed to the pos and will not withdraw
Dear Yellow,
Do u know what is annoying about this whole SDP inspired "drama". it treats everyone else as idiots that can be manipulated by their PR spin machine. You want to contest so does every dog and its flea, Why pull the big tear jerker soap about "opposition" unity. ? Just man up and well contest and I probably would not be so harsh or so critical about them,
Calling for a meeting when you have two other jokers in the form of the SDA and RP who you have not even asked to a supposedly joint meeting speaks of an attempt to " blame" the WP for not working together.
That is what sickens me to e core.
Locke
while TJS and TKL had openly cast their lot with the opposition in GE2011.
A staunch oppositionist will vote WP in their constituency any day, but would hesitate about voting for TCB, who probably got the moderate PAP votes and some of the conservative opposition (read WP supporters) vote.[/QUOTE]
Do u know what is annoying about this whole SDP inspired "drama". it treats everyone else as idiots that can be manipulated by their PR spin machine. You want to contest so does every dog and its flea, Why pull the big tear jerker soap about "opposition" unity. ? Just man up and well contest and I probably would not be so harsh or so critical about them,
Calling for a meeting when you have two other jokers in the form of the SDA and RP who you have not even asked to a supposedly joint meeting speaks of an attempt to " blame" the WP for not working together.
That is what sickens me to e core.
Locke
while TJS and TKL had openly cast their lot with the opposition in GE2011.
A staunch oppositionist will vote WP in their constituency any day, but would hesitate about voting for TCB, who probably got the moderate PAP votes and some of the conservative opposition (read WP supporters) vote.[/QUOTE]
The way I see, parties like SDP is just adopting a punter's mentality in engaging the game of brinksmanship. If they can trick WP to back off, they get the chance to raise their profile and create the perception that only SDP can force WP to give way. Else they could just back off and perhaps walk away claiming some moral high ground of opposition unity. They got nothing to lose since PE wasn't their "turf".
Thus logic dictate that SDP won't contest if WP don't want to compromise. Then again CSJ at time don't follow logic.
Thus logic dictate that SDP won't contest if WP don't want to compromise. Then again CSJ at time don't follow logic.
The Maurice who tore up Zeng's papers in JBJ's office?
To be fair, I think they're approaching (or have approached) SDA and RP on the quiet.
But releasing the letters to WP was a big PR mistake. It leaves WP no room to respond. Now both sides are committed to contest.
One for my master, one for my dame, one for the little boy who lives down the lane.
If SDP approached those two on the quiet and still not plan to withdraw their candidate, meeting up with WP will be the same outcome. Then meet for?
There are two other ways that this could play out. First, everybody has actually ganged up beforehand to trick the PAP into believing that there will be a multi-corner fight. Then the PAP calls an early by-election. Then one by one everybody other than WP will pull out for some stupid reason. This is the standard trick you use when everybody in class is ganging up against the most unpopular boy in class.
If this were the case, it would be a remarkable display of discipline among opposition members.
Yet another possibility is that the SDP is not using a stupid or desperate ploy at all. (SDP = stupid desperate ploy?) They may want to contest, or they may not want to contest. But in either case, they will make a show of reaching out to the WP first. Should they decide not to contest, they would have claimed the moral high ground of stepping aside for the sake of "opposition unity". Should they decide to contest, they can now tell the whole world - "gee, the WP didn't turn up at that meeting. Don't blame me for contesting!" Then the show of making a meeting is cover backside.
When you see it from this perspective, the show of publicising the letters is not that stupid.
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The SDP builds their brand name on big speeches. Big ideas. They need a platform to build this brand name. It is inherently their strategy. They don't walk the ground so much, so they need a by-election to help them build their brand. Maybe they didn't want to contest Hougang because it would be unforgivable to make WP lose that seat. But more than Punggol East being up for grabs, any election campaign - PE, BE, whatever, is an opportunity for them to further their brand because it is based on public speaking and articulating a vision, as opposed to WP building their brand by walking the ground. This is an opportunity for them to rehabilitate their image, because this worked during the GE.
Well said. I think SDP is merely trying to score points with general public when they back off at last minute. SDP logically would not want to risk scoring single digit vote share in the backyard of WP. This would put SDP in same league as SDA, which will seriously weaken their bargaining position in next GE.
To me, multiple-cornered fight is a none issue.
As WP grow, it will need to expend its territory. Hence, MCF is inevitable and would be the norm in future elections.
Why not start from this BE?
If WP can killed off the other smaller parties, it will confirms its status as the big brother oppo that can challenge PAP.
Similarly, if SDP can hold its ground against the 2 big boys, then it may still have a role to play in future elections.
As WP grow, it will need to expend its territory. Hence, MCF is inevitable and would be the norm in future elections.
Why not start from this BE?
If WP can killed off the other smaller parties, it will confirms its status as the big brother oppo that can challenge PAP.
Similarly, if SDP can hold its ground against the 2 big boys, then it may still have a role to play in future elections.
previously this flip floping prata man say that WP will withdriaw if SDP offers VW, WP will yield and Both sides will walk away with great amount of goodwill
... now when no1 has even show their hand and candidate
he say Common sense will prevail ..... FANTASY politics at its best
politics is dirty, people who like to fantasize, pls goto the the other sammyboy....
I say it again for the 1000th time that common sense say that WP will never withdraw....
common sense do not apply to SDP, they lose all credibility when they say they want to contest and now begging WP to back off
I'm starting to think that the WP and the SDP have different objectives. I think if we analyse these objectives, then we might understand where this is heading.
PAP's objective:
1. to win the seat
2. to secure a good margin
WP's objective
1. to win the seat
2. To prepare the ground to attack Pasir Ris Punggol.
SDP's objective
1. The by-election is a platform on which they can articulate their vision and further develop their brand name and the rehabilitation of their image.
2. Their objective is not to lose their deposit. If they can display a strong enough candidate: Paul Thambyah, Vincent Wijeysingha, whoever, their deposit should be safe.
3. They want to measure against WP the progress they have made. This is a gamble because if they get a very low number this is very bad for them. The higher their votes, the better it is for them during the horse trading that takes place before GE 2016.
4. If they can make the PAP poll < 50%, they would have done their job. 1 seat is not important. The big prize is GE 2016.
5. To prepare the ground to attack Pasir Ris Punggol, assuming they can find enough good candidates for this.
(Note that SDP's objective is not to win the seat, because this is basically impossible)
Don't raise your hope. The SDP will not withdraw.
It's silly and delusional to believe that the SDP actually believes or expects the WP to meet up with it when a simple cheng tng incident in September 2006 was enough for the Chinese Chauvinist in the Workers Party to show his black face and acute displeasure at the temerity of the young WP members in his party in buying some bags of cheng tng for Chee and party as a mark of comradeship.
The letters are for a reason. It is as intended. For public record.
The Chinese Chauvinist that Low Thia Khiang is should not be be allowed to remain hidden in his racial closet. It needs to be exposed. The public multiracial facade that Low has been allowed to maintain successfully for years needs to be destroyed. His acute racism and racial chauvinism need to be made known to the minority communities.
Low Thia Khiang's private and disparaging remarks and views about Malays and Indians and his scathing and chauvinistic beliefs about JBJ's South Asian heritage need to be made known to the minority communities. The Malays and Indians, who will play kingmakers, will have to decide whether they want to continue to support an incorrigible Chinese Chauvinist as they did in Aljunied.
In Lee Kuan Yew's eyes, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Low Thia Khiang was only allowed to survive to help LKY destroy JBJ and Lee's other political enemies. He has been rewarded ever since for his success in doing so. His racial and cultural chauvinism were never exposed by Lee as they should have been.
To the Malay and Indian communities, my simple message to you is this. Do not be fooled by Low's multicultural charade and acts of racial tokenism. I know this man. I know his private beliefs. Until the WP is led by genuine multiracialists, withdraw the support you have given to WP which had enabled it to win Aljunied GRC.
The WP's SAPS' half-brains, racists and "Guess the Race' bigots that you have encountered in forums such as these and in public will be further emboldened by this Chinese Chauvinist's political success.
Please spread the word to your communities.
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SDP ask WP to cooperate, ie. to withdraw.
WP in turn tell SDP to also cooperate, ie. withdraw.
2x publicity generated.
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