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US tariff don't work on China

1 sentence sums up everything: This bastard Trump should have been shot dead during that assassination attempt.

I had already said many times before: No country imposes double-digit tariffs against another country in one instance. This is total madness and illogical. One can impose tariffs, but single digit percentage at a time and thereafter, allow several months to see its effectiveness before deciding on taking further actions again if necessary.
Trump is a narcissistic megalomaniac. Everything is about himself, his image, his family, his concept of America as an imperial power, his need to have everyone bow to him. He is not interested in the American ppl, in rebuilding American infrastructure, in giving the ppl good education, jobs health care and welfare.

And huge tariffs don't work. They just shut down trade, invite retaliation, and result in your country being isolated in the long run.
 

U.S. Just Signaled Major China Tariffs To Collapse As Japan Makes A Stunning Pivot To Beijing:​




Lawrence: China sees 'world's biggest clown' Trump as most economically incoherent president eve:​




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What do Trumptard Minions in this forum now have to say?

That Autistic Lan Jiao Kia Elon, the world's richest man but also with a huge inferiority complex, had claimed that his DOGE can save the Federal Government US$2t, then downgrade to US1t and again to US$150b. In reality, it's likely to be US$92b at most, but still without details.

I can only say that America's trustworthiness and credibility are now trashed and gone to the dogs. It won't be easy to rebuild them again as even their allies are now skeptical in believing Trump and his gang anymore.

They think they are very smart, just like those Trumptard Minions here do, but things are now starting to get backfired.

I want to reiterate again that I'm no fan of the CCP, but the way the Trump Administration whacks China and the world is too extreme and totally unacceptable.
 
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DT tariffs on - tariffs off statements are jus to manipulate the NY stocks markets ..
 
DT tariffs on - tariffs off statements are jus to manipulate the NY stocks markets ..
Which is another reason why US is in such a mess. Companies focus more on dividends and stock price rather than R& D.
China now spends multiple times more in R&D than the US. the tide has turned.
 
Stiglitz is spot on. Bringing back manufacturing is more just than building factories: you need skilled labor, supply chain, logistics. Plus modern manufacturing uses a lot of robotics that’s not going to create a lot of jobs.

America’s strengths lie in exporting services, tourism, college education; but Trump has dealt the death knell for these industries in one fell swoop.

 
Stiglitz is spot on. Bringing back manufacturing is more just than building factories: you need skilled labor, supply chain, logistics. Plus modern manufacturing uses a lot of robotics that’s not going to create a lot of jobs.

America’s strengths lie in exporting services, tourism, college education; but Trump has dealt the death knell for these industries in one fell swoop.


To be fair, 90% of all Cars for china market are made in China.
But in US, I think it's less than 50%. Manufacturers took advantage of US Open trading to make huge profit.
 
To be fair, 90% of all Cars for china market are made in China.
But in US, I think it's less than 50%. Manufacturers took advantage of US Open trading to make huge profit.
Don't blame China. US car manufacturing already went downhill in the '80s, losing out to the Japanese in terms of quality, reliability, price and after-sales service. The mad dogs on Capitol Hill were calling for tariffs as they're now, and this finally led to the Plaza Accord that sank Japan as #1.

When the US went into financial services and started to de-industrialize, the auto industry just got hollowed out, with all the factories and jobs going overseas.
 
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/opinion-china-teaching-trump-tough-130000958.html

Opinion - China is teaching Trump some tough lessons on trade​

Chris Truax, opinion contributor
Fri, 25 April 2025 at 9:00 PM SGT·5-min read
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Opinion - China is teaching Trump some tough lessons on trade

China is about to hand President Trump his head.

Trump’s efforts to bully China into submission via tariffs has already gone spectacularly wrong. Far from being intimidated, China has been invigorated with a new sense of national purpose. To anyone who had the slightest understanding of Chinese history, this was all perfectly predictable.

The First Opium War in 1839 — there were two — was, ironically enough, a dispute over the trade deficit. It involved Great Britain attacking China to force it to allow Western powers, including the U.S., to sell opium into China. If you imagine the Chinese occupying New York City to force the U.S. to legalize the trade in fentanyl, you get some idea of what this incident means to people in China.

The First Opium War began what the Chinese call the “century of humiliation,” during which China was exploited and invaded by various foreign powers. It didn’t end until the Japanese were driven out at the end of World War Two. This is still an open wound for China, so it is politically impossible for Xi Jinping to give in to Trump’s intimidation even if he wanted to.

And he doesn’t want to. Trump’s efforts to punish China by imposing a 145 percent tariff on Chinese imports was actually the greatest gift he could have given Xi. First, China is far better positioned to survive a trade war than is the U.S., for one simple reason: China can solve its biggest problem by throwing money at it. Exporters may lose business, but China can use some of the more than $750 billion it has invested in U.S. Treasurys alone to keep them afloat.

The U.S. can’t do that — we have a supply-chain problem, not a financial problem. Once China stops exporting to the U.S., there is no amount of money we can spend that will fill up our Walmarts. Remember trying to buy medical masks during the pandemic? Multiply that by tens of thousands of products. Many things will be completely unavailable, and what is available will be much more expensive. Not even Trump can repeal the law of supply and demand by executive order.

China also has a long-term interest in making its economy less dependent on exports and decreasing its dependence on Western technology. Trump’s trade war gives Xi the perfect opportunity to pursue these goals, since any resultant pain will now be the fault of rapacious foreigners seeking to humiliate China yet again.

So China is in no hurry to end the current stand-off, a fact that is now making Trump extremely nervous. When pressed, Trump has a habit of saying whatever he thinks will buy him some time and take the pressure off, regardless of whether it is true or not. His constant promises to release some new policy “in the next two weeks” became a running joke during his first term.

He’s doing the same thing now, issuing fantasy statements about how a trade deal with China is imminent. Despite Trump’s claim that Chinese officials have “reached out” to him a number of times and his insistence that active talks are going on “every day,” there are no negotiations going on at all.

Trump is essentially negotiating with himself. He abandoned his 145 percent tariff on Chinese-made electronics within 48 hours, and now, in response to Chinese silence, he’s telling the world that tariffs on China will be much lower. He insists “We’re going to be very nice. They’re going to be very nice, and we’ll see what happens. But ultimately, they have to make a deal because otherwise they’re not going to be able to deal in the United States.”

You can practically smell the fear. If you have to begin a negotiation by insisting that the other side come to the table, you’ve lost already.

Trump has good reason to be afraid, just as the Chinese have good reason to let him stew. While the impact of an effective trade embargo will begin to empty shelves in a matter of weeks, most wholesale Christmas orders are placed with factories by the beginning of June. None of those orders are going to be made if retailers think they might be hit with 145 percent tariffs on Christmas lights and Barbie dolls. “The Trump That Stole Christmas” headlines write themselves.

Of course, Trump is free to abandon U.S. tariffs on China unilaterally, but there is no guarantee that China will reciprocate.

All this means that Trump has dug himself a very deep hole, and the Chinese are not going to help him dig his way out. Before they agree to restore normal trade, they’re going to extract a price. It might be a groveling public apology. It might be a promise to abandon Taiwan — something Trump is probably temperamentally inclined to do anyway — or it might be a formal recognition of China’s “nine-dash line” territorial claims. But whatever it is, it will be big.

And it will be bad for America. Trump’s effort to punish China for “defying” him was an essay in historical ignorance and economic foolishness. He is now getting schooled in real time. And it’s going to be an expensive lesson, both for him and for us.

Chris Truax is an appellate attorney who served as Southern California chair for John McCain’s primary campaign in 2008.

Copyright 2025 Nexstar Media, Inc. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
 
In a physical war between superpowers it will End up with a nuclear Armageddon.
Because the losing side will unleash it's most potent weapon.
In a trade war like this, it's will be a pivotal moment where the world will be divided in two.
We cannot escape becoming under China's armpits. Unless asean decided to work as one. Like the EU or NATO.
 
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