Founding Father of Singapore had spoken on competitive ministerial salaries
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SINGAPORE: Singapore's former Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew has defended the need for a competitive ministerial pay to attract committed and capable people who will serve the country.
In a letter sent to the media on Wednesday after a parliamentary debate on political pay, Mr Lee, who had fought strongly for competitive political pay when he was in the Cabinet, noted how with a different generation, political attitudes change.
But he said unless Singapore has a steady stream of people to serve as ministers, Singapore as a little red dot will become a little black spot.
He pointed out that Singapore did not get from Third World to First by "head-hunting ministers willing to sacrifice their children's future when undertaking a public service duty."
He said the leadership took a "pragmatic course that does not require people of calibre to give up too much for the public good."
Mr Lee added that Singapore must not be reduced to another ordinary country in the Third World by dodging the issue of competitive ministerial remuneration.
Mr Lee said Singapore cannot underpay ministers and argues that their sole reward should be their contribution to public good.
"Every family wants to provide the best for their children, to go to a good university. We were pragmatic and also paid competitive salaries in order to have a continuous stream of high calibre people to become MPs, and then ministers. They put their careers at risk and undergo an uncertain and unpredictable election process," he said.
He pointed to the heavy responsibilities of ministers in making Singapore a success.
"A PM and his ministers carry heavy responsibilities for the nation. If they make a serious mistake, the damage to Singapore will be incalculable and permanent. Their macroeconomic policies will decide the GDP of the country, which was more than S$300 billion in 2010, with per capita GDP of S$59,000."
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In a letter sent to the media on Wednesday after a parliamentary debate on political pay, Mr Lee, who had fought strongly for competitive political pay when he was in the Cabinet, noted how with a different generation, political attitudes change.
But he said unless Singapore has a steady stream of people to serve as ministers, Singapore as a little red dot will become a little black spot.
He pointed out that Singapore did not get from Third World to First by "head-hunting ministers willing to sacrifice their children's future when undertaking a public service duty."
He said the leadership took a "pragmatic course that does not require people of calibre to give up too much for the public good."
Mr Lee added that Singapore must not be reduced to another ordinary country in the Third World by dodging the issue of competitive ministerial remuneration.
Mr Lee said Singapore cannot underpay ministers and argues that their sole reward should be their contribution to public good.
"Every family wants to provide the best for their children, to go to a good university. We were pragmatic and also paid competitive salaries in order to have a continuous stream of high calibre people to become MPs, and then ministers. They put their careers at risk and undergo an uncertain and unpredictable election process," he said.
He pointed to the heavy responsibilities of ministers in making Singapore a success.
"A PM and his ministers carry heavy responsibilities for the nation. If they make a serious mistake, the damage to Singapore will be incalculable and permanent. Their macroeconomic policies will decide the GDP of the country, which was more than S$300 billion in 2010, with per capita GDP of S$59,000."
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[h=2]BEST Pic depicting famiLEE LEEgime ministerial salaries & pay cut[/h]
Tiny red dot's little white dogs with EXTRA HUGE bone to chew.
Gerald Ee chipped off a tiny bit of it, still too huge and much larger than the white LEEgime dog.
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[TD="width: 950, align: center"] 2012年01月17日 17:01:57 | 责任编辑: 陈杰 | 来源： 新华网[/TD]
[TD="width: 500, align: left"]♦ 关键词 ⇒ 白兰地 世上最小 狗[/TD]
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[TD="align: left"]它的腿就像棒棒糖棍一样细，它和一个可乐罐差不多高，体重还不到一公斤，它就是世界上最小的狗——“天堂送 来的白兰地”。配台词：“哎呀，这么大的骨头，怎么啃呀！”
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[h=2]Re: BEST Pic depicting famiLEE LEEgime ministerial salaries & pay cut[/h]
白衣白裤的薪水和他们自己的分量资质及功绩根本丝毫不成比例。
就像这小白狗和它的大骨头。根本是离谱的。骨头比狗大得多。拉动都很难。怎吃得完？
现在所谓的减薪。就是骨头上面刮掉一小块而已。根本只是装个样子当借口。骗得了谁？
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Since when was Singapore a first world country ? 
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What he is saying is that our education policies all failed. Did not inculcate the right values to our students. Students only know one thing - $$$.
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Thursday, 19 January 2012LKY defends ministers' pay - showing they are not capable of defending it themselves
at 7:38:00 AM by Barrie
So finally, the great old man speaks - about the ministers' pay. But the irony is that by speaking, it shows that he is not convinced that those who spoke before him (ministers included), have done a good job convincing the masses. Doesn't that about rubbish the argument that the ministers are capable people, because it takes Great Grand Old Man to throw his weight on the issue?
Lee Kuan Yew defends competitive ministerial salaries
Singapore's former Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew has defended the need for a competitive ministerial pay to attract committed and capable people who will serve the country.
In a letter sent to the media on Wednesday after a parliamentary debate on political pay, Mr Lee, who had fought strongly for competitive political pay when he was in the Cabinet, noted how with a different generation, political attitudes change.
But he said unless Singapore has a steady stream of people to serve as ministers, Singapore as a little red dot will become a little black spot.
I disagree. It is not that we don't have enough people coming up to serve. It is that PAP has been fixing the opposition. Since 1960s right through the turn of this century, opposition members have been jailed, sued, ISA-ed and what not.
In the sixties and seventies PAP threw Barisan Socialis members and their sympathizers in detention cells without trial. In 1980s, PAP sued and prosecuted JBJ till he was bankrupt. In the 1990s right to this day, Chee has been sued till he's a bankrupt.
Not to mention many others like Francis Seow, Ashleigh Seow, Tan Liang Hong etc who had to be in exile because of PAP.
So come off this nonsensical talk that we don't have enough people to come up to serve, when it is PAP who's been stifling leadership through oppressive means.
He pointed out that Singapore did not get from Third World to First by "head-hunting ministers willing to sacrifice their children's future when undertaking a public service duty."
That's another bullcrap. When we became independent, all the governmental infrastructure was already there. To say PAP led us from Third World to First is a lie.
We already had schools, hospitals, the Police Force, roads, rail, public transport, utilities etc in place. All PAP did was to take over the goodies the Brits handed over, and claim glory for the work done by the previous (Brit) govt. Cheap shot.
He said the leadership took a "pragmatic course that does not require people of calibre to give up too much for the public good."
Mr Lee added that Singapore must not be reduced to another ordinary country in the Third World by dodging the issue of competitive ministerial remuneration.
Mr Lee said Singapore cannot underpay ministers and argues that their sole reward should be their contribution to public good.
"Every family wants to provide the best for their children, to go to a good university. We were pragmatic and also paid competitive salaries in order to have a continuous stream of high calibre people to become MPs, and then ministers. They put their careers at risk and undergo an uncertain and unpredictable election process," he said.
The above argument is a long way off the mark. These highly paid ministers can afford all the properties overseas and fund their children in overseas universities. The ordinary folk is trying to make ends meet and would be happy if they can afford to pay local uni fees for their children.
What an insensitive comparison! That's the trouble of paying ministers too much. They lose touch with the ground and become insensitive to the ordinary Singaporean's needs.
He pointed to the heavy responsibilities of ministers in making Singapore a success.
"A PM and his ministers carry heavy responsibilities for the nation. If they make a serious mistake, the damage to Singapore will be incalculable and permanent. Their macroeconomic policies will decide the GDP of the country, which was more than S$300 billion in 2010, with per capita GDP of S$59,000."
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Actually the "success" is just a claim. Singapore has NEVER opened its books to the public. Somehow, deep inside me, I feel that there is a lot of cover ups. Because if there is nothing to hide, surely PAP would show the figures to; 1) get more votes and; 2) assure foreign investors to pump in more money here.
So why the close book policy? Hmm.
If LKY wants to juse the above argument to justify ministers' pay, the least he should do is to get the govt to open the books to support his claim. Otherwise, it is just that - a claim. And a hollow one too.
Finally, as mentioned, doesn't it occur to you that when LKY defends the ministers' pay, it means he is not convinced the ministers have won the public's hearts? So if he is not convinced himself that these ministers can do the work themselves, how the heck does he expect Singaporeans to be convinced they deserve the pay?
LKY should have remained silent. At least it signals he is silently approving behind them. Now he has shown he doesn't even trust his own ministers are capable of doing the job and he has to do it himself.
Ha ha. Thanks for proving us right the ministers don't deserve that pay.
at 7:38:00 AM by Barrie
So finally, the great old man speaks - about the ministers' pay. But the irony is that by speaking, it shows that he is not convinced that those who spoke before him (ministers included), have done a good job convincing the masses. Doesn't that about rubbish the argument that the ministers are capable people, because it takes Great Grand Old Man to throw his weight on the issue?
Lee Kuan Yew defends competitive ministerial salaries
Singapore's former Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew has defended the need for a competitive ministerial pay to attract committed and capable people who will serve the country.
In a letter sent to the media on Wednesday after a parliamentary debate on political pay, Mr Lee, who had fought strongly for competitive political pay when he was in the Cabinet, noted how with a different generation, political attitudes change.
But he said unless Singapore has a steady stream of people to serve as ministers, Singapore as a little red dot will become a little black spot.
I disagree. It is not that we don't have enough people coming up to serve. It is that PAP has been fixing the opposition. Since 1960s right through the turn of this century, opposition members have been jailed, sued, ISA-ed and what not.
In the sixties and seventies PAP threw Barisan Socialis members and their sympathizers in detention cells without trial. In 1980s, PAP sued and prosecuted JBJ till he was bankrupt. In the 1990s right to this day, Chee has been sued till he's a bankrupt.
Not to mention many others like Francis Seow, Ashleigh Seow, Tan Liang Hong etc who had to be in exile because of PAP.
So come off this nonsensical talk that we don't have enough people to come up to serve, when it is PAP who's been stifling leadership through oppressive means.
He pointed out that Singapore did not get from Third World to First by "head-hunting ministers willing to sacrifice their children's future when undertaking a public service duty."
That's another bullcrap. When we became independent, all the governmental infrastructure was already there. To say PAP led us from Third World to First is a lie.
We already had schools, hospitals, the Police Force, roads, rail, public transport, utilities etc in place. All PAP did was to take over the goodies the Brits handed over, and claim glory for the work done by the previous (Brit) govt. Cheap shot.
He said the leadership took a "pragmatic course that does not require people of calibre to give up too much for the public good."
Mr Lee added that Singapore must not be reduced to another ordinary country in the Third World by dodging the issue of competitive ministerial remuneration.
Mr Lee said Singapore cannot underpay ministers and argues that their sole reward should be their contribution to public good.
"Every family wants to provide the best for their children, to go to a good university. We were pragmatic and also paid competitive salaries in order to have a continuous stream of high calibre people to become MPs, and then ministers. They put their careers at risk and undergo an uncertain and unpredictable election process," he said.
The above argument is a long way off the mark. These highly paid ministers can afford all the properties overseas and fund their children in overseas universities. The ordinary folk is trying to make ends meet and would be happy if they can afford to pay local uni fees for their children.
What an insensitive comparison! That's the trouble of paying ministers too much. They lose touch with the ground and become insensitive to the ordinary Singaporean's needs.
He pointed to the heavy responsibilities of ministers in making Singapore a success.
"A PM and his ministers carry heavy responsibilities for the nation. If they make a serious mistake, the damage to Singapore will be incalculable and permanent. Their macroeconomic policies will decide the GDP of the country, which was more than S$300 billion in 2010, with per capita GDP of S$59,000."
- CNA/ck
Actually the "success" is just a claim. Singapore has NEVER opened its books to the public. Somehow, deep inside me, I feel that there is a lot of cover ups. Because if there is nothing to hide, surely PAP would show the figures to; 1) get more votes and; 2) assure foreign investors to pump in more money here.
So why the close book policy? Hmm.
If LKY wants to juse the above argument to justify ministers' pay, the least he should do is to get the govt to open the books to support his claim. Otherwise, it is just that - a claim. And a hollow one too.
Finally, as mentioned, doesn't it occur to you that when LKY defends the ministers' pay, it means he is not convinced the ministers have won the public's hearts? So if he is not convinced himself that these ministers can do the work themselves, how the heck does he expect Singaporeans to be convinced they deserve the pay?
LKY should have remained silent. At least it signals he is silently approving behind them. Now he has shown he doesn't even trust his own ministers are capable of doing the job and he has to do it himself.
Ha ha. Thanks for proving us right the ministers don't deserve that pay.
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1. aiyoh!
2. sheep determines its remuneration pkg, pegged to this pegged to that.
3. sheep decide unchallenged!
4. sheep reward its herd with bonus.
5. sheep assessed what is not enough too.
6. now, sheep justified & blah again!
7. it is all doings within the same herd of sheep.
8. where is the check & balance, where is the transparency.
9. sheep is player, master, god & assessor, all roll-into-one!
1. aiyoh!
2. sheep determines its remuneration pkg, pegged to this pegged to that.
3. sheep decide unchallenged!
4. sheep reward its herd with bonus.
5. sheep assessed what is not enough too.
6. now, sheep justified & blah again!
7. it is all doings within the same herd of sheep.
8. where is the check & balance, where is the transparency.
9. sheep is player, master, god & assessor, all roll-into-one!
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SINGAPORE: Singapore's former Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew has defended the need for a competitive ministerial pay to attract committed and capable people who will serve the country.(Old man must make some noise lah! LHL drowning from the deluge of dissatisfaction)
In a letter sent to the media on Wednesday after a parliamentary debate on political pay (Cannot talk too much, biting his tongue & eating his words on many things that was said, in written form, can vett through by panels of committees!), Mr Lee, who had fought strongly for competitive political pay when he was in the Cabinet (Only thing he has done, rest of the time was spent glorifying his position), noted how with a different generation, political attitudes change.
But he said unless Singapore has a steady stream of people to serve as ministers (Tons of Singaporeans are ready to serve, but with a ton of them under ISA detention, the other ton are just crapping in their pants), Singapore as a little red dot will become a little black spot (Little black spot only happens when they continue to bad mouth everybody else & snitched by wikileaks!).
He pointed out that Singapore did not get from Third World to First by "head-hunting ministers willing to sacrifice their children's future when undertaking a public service duty." (Of course they will not sacrifice their children's future, it's the common Singaporeans' children's future that has been sacrificed! Their children are sent overseas to ensure that they are not screwed by hare brained policies!)
He said the leadership took a "pragmatic course that does not require people of calibre to give up too much for the public good."(To paraphrase "People of calibre must benefit tremendously to create an obedient peasant class)
Mr Lee added that Singapore must not be reduced to another ordinary country in the Third World by dodging the issue of competitive ministerial remuneration. (Ministerial pay must be exorbitant to brush brow the peasants frm seeing the billions the leegimes had siphoned off from the coffer)
Mr Lee said Singapore cannot underpay ministers and argues that their sole reward should be their contribution to public good. Haven't seen any contribution but already reaped in plenty of rewards!)
"Every family wants to provide the best for their children, to go to a good university. We were pragmatic and also paid competitive salaries in order to have a continuous stream of high calibre people to become MPs, and then ministers. They put their careers at risk and undergo an uncertain and unpredictable election process," he said.
He pointed to the heavy responsibilities of ministers in making Singapore a success.
"A PM and his ministers carry heavy responsibilities for the nation (They only carry the heavy responsibilities of ensuring that the million dollars salary be paid in dollar coins so that they can be busy counting it right!). If they make a serious mistake, the damage to Singapore will be incalculable and permanent Still no mention of consequences that they are supposed to bear!). Their macroeconomic policies will decide the GDP of the country, which was more than S$300 billion in 2010, with per capita GDP of S$59,000 What's the population percentage drawing a salary higher than the per capita GDP rate of S$59,000)."
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In a letter sent to the media on Wednesday after a parliamentary debate on political pay (Cannot talk too much, biting his tongue & eating his words on many things that was said, in written form, can vett through by panels of committees!), Mr Lee, who had fought strongly for competitive political pay when he was in the Cabinet (Only thing he has done, rest of the time was spent glorifying his position), noted how with a different generation, political attitudes change.
But he said unless Singapore has a steady stream of people to serve as ministers (Tons of Singaporeans are ready to serve, but with a ton of them under ISA detention, the other ton are just crapping in their pants), Singapore as a little red dot will become a little black spot (Little black spot only happens when they continue to bad mouth everybody else & snitched by wikileaks!).
He pointed out that Singapore did not get from Third World to First by "head-hunting ministers willing to sacrifice their children's future when undertaking a public service duty." (Of course they will not sacrifice their children's future, it's the common Singaporeans' children's future that has been sacrificed! Their children are sent overseas to ensure that they are not screwed by hare brained policies!)
He said the leadership took a "pragmatic course that does not require people of calibre to give up too much for the public good."(To paraphrase "People of calibre must benefit tremendously to create an obedient peasant class)
Mr Lee added that Singapore must not be reduced to another ordinary country in the Third World by dodging the issue of competitive ministerial remuneration. (Ministerial pay must be exorbitant to brush brow the peasants frm seeing the billions the leegimes had siphoned off from the coffer)
Mr Lee said Singapore cannot underpay ministers and argues that their sole reward should be their contribution to public good. Haven't seen any contribution but already reaped in plenty of rewards!)
"Every family wants to provide the best for their children, to go to a good university. We were pragmatic and also paid competitive salaries in order to have a continuous stream of high calibre people to become MPs, and then ministers. They put their careers at risk and undergo an uncertain and unpredictable election process," he said.
He pointed to the heavy responsibilities of ministers in making Singapore a success.
"A PM and his ministers carry heavy responsibilities for the nation (They only carry the heavy responsibilities of ensuring that the million dollars salary be paid in dollar coins so that they can be busy counting it right!). If they make a serious mistake, the damage to Singapore will be incalculable and permanent Still no mention of consequences that they are supposed to bear!). Their macroeconomic policies will decide the GDP of the country, which was more than S$300 billion in 2010, with per capita GDP of S$59,000 What's the population percentage drawing a salary higher than the per capita GDP rate of S$59,000)."
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