Better security have an Armed Citizenery rather than SAF + NS

[Shut Up you are Not MM]

I am not selling American values since they are rubbish but fundamental facts of security are common to whole world, so I quote US Constitution Second Amendment:

Text of Amendment:

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Origins:
Having been oppressed by a professional army, the founding fathers of the United States had no use for establishing one of their own. Instead, they decided that an armed citizenry makes the best army of all. General George Washington created regulation for the aforementioned "well-regulated militia," which would consist of every able-bodied man in the country.

http://civilliberty.about.com/od/guncontrol/p/2nd_amendment.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_keep_and_bear_arms
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

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You have to consider these internal factors:

• SAF is expensive and useless
• Soldier's full pack carried by maid
• Soldiers lives are too precious to die for Singapore
• SAF commanded by useless commanders and PAP Papoks
• Citizens have no interest to defend PAP's political existence
• Citizens have no interest to defend foreigners in Singapore

You must consider these international examples:

• Foreign invading forces knock out national security forces swiftly, but armed citizenries fights on forever (Vietnam Cambodia Iraq Afghan Somalia Bosnia Chechnya Moldova etc)
• British also swiftly knocked down by Japanese Invaders in Singapore + Malaysia after which militia still resisting until Japanese surrender
• Armed Citizenries overpower regular national troops and formed new governments throughout history and in recent Arab Spring etc
• Nations with well armed citizenries are most secured even without a large national troop yet able to stand up against powerful rival e.g. Palestinian Lebanon

The big mistake in Singapore is every idiot citizen wrongly and blindly assigned their own rights to a centralised regime which plunders from them and betrayed them. Every aspect of civil needs including security justice economy education health transportation water energy utility citizenship (granting to foreigners) election banking finance drainage and flood - every damn shit under the sun including smoking and flush of toilets are all seriously compromised. And obviously not working well!

Stupid opposition blindly expecting to get the regime play by rules as if they are equal on par with them. Dreaming of winning by sticking to lame rules. They are not aware that for example US ensure that their people are not ruled by tyranny not just by talking, but keeping and bearing arms within their own hands (see above).

 

[chowka]

Do you also have a "Shut Up you are not Gecko" clone?

 

[Shut Up you are Not MM]

Do you also have a "Shut Up you are not Gecko" clone?

Whats the use of a dead Gecko?

 

[vamjok]

so that we can have incidents of kids shooting in school?

 

[Shut Up you are Not MM]

so that we can have incidents of kids shooting in school?

That only possible in society that is so sick and broken. It does not happen in Iraq Afghan even when are so broken. Philippines is also a well armed citizenery and so are Canada & Israel. Schools did not turned into shooting galleries.

On the contrary the SAF and more then once AWOL / deserted with guns e.g. CPL Dave Teo etc, who ran out of camps with guns wanting to shoot someone outside.

 

[laksaboy]

so that we can have incidents of kids shooting in school?

If kids are want to kill, they can do it with lots of other weapons, or even with bare hands.
Blaming guns for violent crimes is like blaming the kitchen knife for getting your fingers cut.

School security can ensure that kids don't bring guns into the school.

If there's one thing a tyrannic government fears, it is a well-armed population.
In Switzerland, they have an armed citizenry.

 

[steffychun]

Armed militia with what? Right-handed only SAR-21?

 

[Shut Up you are Not MM]

Armed militia with what? Right-handed only SAR-21?

SAR-21 is a rubbish central procurement by SAF, while militias and civilian citizenries can each purchase from their own preferred sources not limited to SG maker.

 

[wikiphile]

SAR-21 is a rubbish central procurement by SAF, while militias and civilian citizenries can each purchase from their own preferred sources not limited to SG maker.

Well if i can have my own choice of weaponry. It would be a HK G-36A2/W AG36 40mm grenade launcher for firepower. Side arm prefer a Colt M1911. The .45 ACP packs a wallop or if no colt, a glock 17 would do very nicely too

 

[johnny333]

Well if i can have my own choice of weaponry. It would be a HK G-36A2/W AG36 40mm grenade launcher for firepower. Side arm prefer a Colt M1911. The .45 ACP packs a wallop or if no colt, a glock 17 would do very nicely too

That would be overkill to put down an old man, his son & daughter-in law :p

 

[vamjok]

That only possible in society that is so sick and broken. It does not happen in Iraq Afghan even when are so broken. Philippines is also a well armed citizenery and so are Canada & Israel. Schools did not turned into shooting galleries.

On the contrary the SAF and more then once AWOL / deserted with guns e.g. CPL Dave Teo etc, who ran out of camps with guns wanting to shoot someone outside.

you have not being reading much news these years haven't you

 

[vamjok]

If kids are want to kill, they can do it with lots of other weapons, or even with bare hands.
Blaming guns for violent crimes is like blaming the kitchen knife for getting your fingers cut.

School security can ensure that kids don't bring guns into the school.

If there's one thing a tyrannic government fears, it is a well-armed population.
In Switzerland, they have an armed citizenry.

its easier to remove guns from the population than to educate them to be civilised and behave.

 

[Shut Up you are Not MM]

its easier to remove guns from the population than to educate them to be civilised and behave.

I believe that when the majority or all of the citizenries are armed the problem of crazy shooters can be solved even before the police arrived. At least for myself this is the case for sure. If someone starts to shot like a mad man at my sight I will put him down with a bullet ASAP. This is the relevant video pse watch:

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[steffychun]

Well if i can have my own choice of weaponry. It would be a HK G-36A2/W AG36 40mm grenade launcher for firepower. Side arm prefer a Colt M1911. The .45 ACP packs a wallop or if no colt, a glock 17 would do very nicely too

Why Germany's HK?I prefer Israel's Micro-Tavor. Light but packs a punch..

 

[Shut Up you are Not MM]

Well if i can have my own choice of weaponry. It would be a HK G-36A2/W AG36 40mm grenade launcher for firepower. Side arm prefer a Colt M1911. The .45 ACP packs a wallop or if no colt, a glock 17 would do very nicely too

GI Joe?

 

[vamjok]

If someone starts to shot like a mad man at my sight I will put him down with a bullet ASAP.

talk is easy, putting a person down by pulling a trigger. I know i will hesitate like hell if i had to do it.

 

[sleaguepunter]

My weapon of choice will be the cheap, realiable, hardy and easy to maintain kalashnikvo, maybe the one with the folding stock. Any peasant can pick up the weapon and with a couple of hours of instruction can be proficient with it. ammo and replacement part easy to get as the world black market is awash with them. yes, it not accurate, recoil is hard blah blah blah but it trialled and tested by almost every freedom fighter/terrorist groups in the world.

as for fear of misuse, i think it overblown in the media. American own as much private held firearms compare to vehicles. yet more ppl were killed in car accidents than from firearms. so should ban cars? there more chance of being hit by a drunk driver than hit by a firearm, so should ban alcohol? IDF and Swiss army let their citizen soldiers bring home their personal rifle but we dont see news of these citizens using their issued rifle on killing the innocents. that to me make more sense, as the 4hrs/8hr open/silent mob SAF conduct is unrealistic as in time of conflict, the public transport may not work, so how the hell reservists can make it to the armskote to draw arms, which are not zero anyway. A unzeroed rifle is basically a useless piece of junk.

 

[The Philistine]

My weapon of choice will be the cheap, realiable, hardy and easy to maintain kalashnikvo, maybe the one with the folding stock. Any peasant can pick up the weapon and with a couple of hours of instruction can be proficient with it. ammo and replacement part easy to get as the world black market is awash with them. yes, it not accurate, recoil is hard blah blah blah but it trialled and tested by almost every freedom fighter/terrorist groups in the world.

as for fear of misuse, i think it overblown in the media. American own as much private held firearms compare to vehicles. yet more ppl were killed in car accidents than from firearms. so should ban cars? there more chance of being hit by a drunk driver than hit by a firearm, so should ban alcohol? IDF and Swiss army let their citizen soldiers bring home their personal rifle but we dont see news of these citizens using their issued rifle on killing the innocents. that to me make more sense, as the 4hrs/8hr open/silent mob SAF conduct is unrealistic as in time of conflict, the
public transport may not work, so how the hell reservists can make it to the armskote to draw arms, which are not
zero anyway. A unzeroed rifle is basically a useless piece of junk.

I would pick the AK47 too. As you pointed out, it is easy to achieve proficiency in its use in a few hours. Contrast this to the M16, which requires a week for a soldier to master. I think it would be fairer to describe an AK47 as a less precise weapon (compared to the M16) than to call it inaccurate. A soldier using an AK47 can still pot an enemy a couple of hundreds of yards away. It is just that if he uses a M16, he can go for head shots but with an AK47, he can only go for centre mass. If the AK47 is not an accurate weapon it would not, even with its legendary reliability, ease of use and cheap cost, have become the most popular firearm in the world.

I don't really like the M16. It jams all too easily. I lost count of the number of times it jammed during exercises and in the range. Imagine fighting a war and having to clear stoppages every now and then. Sure way to die. Also, the M16's bolt carrier assembly tends to corrode in a tropical environment. The M16 is designed with tight tolerances, meaning a bit of rust or m&d in its internal parts can reduce its reliabilty. You are right about having no time to zero the weapon during wartime. The battlesight zeroing gives the M16 its precision over longer distances and without it, the weapon loses a good degree of its effectiveness.

It is a shame we did not get to train with the AK47. And yes, the SAR21 is a crap gun. Left-handers who use the damn things in war can expect to be the first casualities. I read that ST is coming up with an improved version. Oh the horror.

 

[sleaguepunter]

You are right about having no time to zero the weapon during wartime. The battlesight zeroing gives the M16 its precision over longer distances and without it, the weapon loses a good degree of its effectiveness.

It is a shame we did not get to train with the AK47. And yes, the SAR21 is a crap gun. Left-handers who use the damn things in war can expect to be the first casualities. I read that ST is coming up with an improved version. Oh the horror.

compare to the sar21, the m16 is a wonder weapon. it a bit sad that many nsf and nsmen do not even know how to zero their rifle. an unzero weapon is good for only 100m. i used a weapon from the detail behind me for the nite shoot during final yr shoot during nsf as my rifle tip dont glow at nite forcing me either rezero or use another rifle. as i dont want to be mark by lao cik, i tolong the guy behind my detail to lend me his m16 for the nite shoot. after a couple practise rounds, i manage to guess where the zero point was and manage to get 17/20 for the nite shoot, better score than the rifle's hubby got.

personally i like the m16 but i prefer the punch of a 7.62 round. i am the part time MG gunner for my section, many ppl dont like the GPMG because of its weight but i find it ok. in fact, i notice many of the designated MG gunners in my coy love their MG. Some even volunteer to carry it during reservist. i like the MG because it can be use as a hiking stick for accending or deccending a steep slope and can double as a seat to keep the butt dry at wet rest point.

i have no problem zeroing the m16 but i wont know whether the sar21 need to zero or not despite holding it for the last 6 ICTs. i will have no problem to disassemble and reassemble a GPMG but i may need a bit of time to do the same thing with the sar21. somehow i cannot connect with the stoopid sar21.