RP Chief Kenneth Jeyaretnam comments on the SMRT breakdown. What's your take?

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He thinks the crown prince paid attention to RP's call for Inquiry. Inquiry is the most natural thing to do after 2-3 major breakdowns. It is similar to answer nature's call. Frankly, you don't need a subject expert to be a CEO, of any company. What the CEO needs is management expertise, one who is able to look at the macro picture. A CEO need subject experts to aid her in decision making for the company.

SMRT is a public listed company, whose priority, arguably, is to make profits to please the share holders. Personally, this is something I do not agree with fully as the core priority of a transport company, should be doing transport proper. The usage of excess space for retail is a brilliant move, I say.

I also find it odd why KJ say building of SMRT is a bad decision. So much public good has been achieved over the last 20 odd years. This is unmeasurable by monetary terms. He is bring up the old LKY stories again on the public bus system vs SMRT debate in the early '80s. This reminds me of Mr Goh Meng Seng's chinese article on TOC: bringing up old stories and blame LKY on everything. If Singapore had the public bus system, we might be experiencing more frustration due to bus jams, more soots, more pollution.

Please, politicians, stop raking up old grandmother stories or old scores that dates back 20 years ago. Please give good suggestions on how you would improve this god forsaken country.


http://sonofadud.com/2011/12/21/thoughts-on-the-smrt-fiasco/

Recently the Reform Party issued a statement on the SMRT breakdown calling for a Committee of Inquiry. I am pleased that the PM heeded our call.

However it is not clear whether the Inquiry will be chaired by someone sufficiently independent or whether it will hold its hearings in public. I will therefore reserve my applause. Meanwhile here are my personal thoughts and proposals on the subject of a COI.

First line of enquiry

The COI should probe the reasons for Ms. Saw’s appointment in the first place. She may be a retailing guru but she clearly is out of her depth in running a major transport network. Why is no one with a transport engineering background on the board of SMRT?

Second line of enquiry

The COI should look at whether the management of retail space should be bundled with the business of running a transport network. One does not often see airlines involved in running the shopping concessions in airports. Similarly passenger safety and maintenance of infrastructure is not a high priority for retail concessions so there is not much overlap. Has Ms. Saw been concentrating on boosting the retail side of the business while neglecting the transportation business?

One solution I can think of would be to spin-off the management of the retail space into a separate company and distribute the shares to shareholders. The economics of the remaining transport operating company would be then become clearer and whether the underlying business was viable in the first place.

Third line of enquiry

The crisis has highlighted the need for either, stricter more independent regulation of SMRT and SBS Transit, as monopolistic competitors, or deregulation and the opening of the transport network to greater competition.

The COI must consider whether SMRT has skimped on maintenance, spending far less as a proportion of gross revenue than other major transport operators. Also the breakdown on 15th December highlighted the inadequate training and lack of experience of staff in dealing with a major breakdown. More alarming is that it indicates their lack of preparedness for a major emergency such as a bomb blast. Unbelievably emergency back-up systems failed. Again was this due to cutbacks in spending on safety systems to boost the bottom line?

SMRT’s approach could be characterized as being like the man who jumps off a fifty story skyscraper and is heard to remark as he passes the twentieth floor on his way down, “So far so good!” I have already highlighted the captive nature of the regulator, the Public Transport Council, packed as it is with PAP MPs and civil servants or academics at government-funded institutions. I am not the first to do this. As long ago as 1999, JBJ was speaking in Parliament about how the PTC was packed with the “great and the good” and included few representatives of the public transport-using public.

Fourth line of enquiry

Fourthly, and ironically in light of my call for stricter regulation, the crisis has highlighted the need for greater competition. The transport network was thrown into greater disruption because of the lack of alternatives to the MRT network. SMRT organized feeder bus services the next day but there were too few and the drivers were for the most part inadequately trained. Many did not even know what route to follow apart from a hilarious instruction that they were just to follow the train tracks. We need deregulation of the transport network so that other operators, provided they can satisfy the regulator as to deliverability and safety, can enter the market.

While it may be impractical to have two MRT operators on the same line we can certainly have independent bus operators who compete with the train operators and are not part of the same monopoly. Hopefully they would then be able to respond much faster to the current shortfall in service on the MRT network. More competition would also be likely to lead to greater investment and a better travel experience for commuters. Both SMRT and SBS, being monopolists, will constrain investment to maximize profits. While our train rolling stock may still be relatively new the same cannot be said of the buses whose age and condition compare unfavourably with those in some other major cities such as London.

The Transport Minister has invoked the spectre of independent operators “cherry-picking” the best routes resulting in unprofitable but socially necessary routes being dropped. I have doubts as to how far this will be the case. For instance independent operators can use smaller buses or other vehicles to allow capacity addition to be less expensive and responsive to fluctuations in demand. Ultimately subsidies can be used to ensure socially worthwhile but commercially non-viable services to be provided.

Fifth and sixth lines of enquiry

Next the COI needs to consider to what extent ordinary Singaporeans are paying for bad investment decisions by the government in the 1980s that continue to this day. A related question is how far transport, population and immigration policy are inter-twined. I recall that in the 1980s when the decision to build the MRT was taken it was reported that a team of high-powered urban transport consultants had concluded that an underground MRT network was too costly on economic grounds. An expanded bus network or some other form of above ground urban transport would better serve Singapore. However LKY, the PM at the time, overruled the recommendations and ordered the go-ahead with the construction of the MRT. I have my doubts about the narrow nature of the cost-benefit analysis undertaken, given that it is usually grounded in a neoclassical framework that starts by assuming full employment in the rest of the economy. In this framework there is an assumed opportunity cost to the investment in the form of crowding out of other investment. There is no macroeconomic benefit to the economy in the form of additional output and the employment of workers who would otherwise be unemployed. When these factors are considered, perhaps the economic argument in favour of buses over the MT was less clear-cut. However it is difficult to argue that there have been any spin-off benefits as we have failed to develop any indigenous mass transit industry despite the huge investments made.

It was around this time though that the government took the decision to start opening the floodgates to foreign labour though there was really only a bonfire of immigration controls after 2001. The authors of the study were undoubtedly unaware of the government’s plans to drastically increase the population. If they were their conclusions may have been different.

Perhaps one of the reasons for the vast increase in population is an attempt on the government’s part to make its investments in infrastructure economically viable. When the current PM Lee, boasts about the $60 billion investment the government is making in additional lines perhaps he is assuming a population increase to seven million or more in order to justify the investment. One could say that the tail of infrastructure investment is wagging the population dog. As usual, the people are on the receiving end of asymmetric information as the government refuses to come clean on its plans.

Even with the deliberate overloading of our transport network through a policy of uncontrolled immigration, the fundamental question remains. Is the MRT network commercially viable at all even with the government already taking on all the costs of the network infrastructure? I suspect that the real reason that the government does not want any competition in public transport is that bus services could undercut the MRT. The result would be that it would be forced to cut its fares resulting in the government having to subsidize the MRT operators or take them back into public ownership.

An example of this phenomenon is the Channel Tunnel between the UK and France where the tunnel operators went bust because they had to compete with the ferry companies which benefited from sunk costs in the form of fully depreciated boats. Another would be the experience of US airlines after 1973. Complete deregulation led to big falls in air fares. Existing airlines were unable to earn a satisfactory return but new entrants to the industry kept prices low and the consumer benefited. In economic terms greater competition led to consumers capturing more of the area under the demand curve (what is known by economists as consumer surplus). However the gains to consumers in the form of lower prices and more capacity outweighed the losses to producers. It is likely that this would happen here if public transport was opened up to competition.

Conclusion

This is an opportunity to set bold terms of reference for the COI and to radically reshape public transport policy in a way that will benefit consumers. Certainly this is what I would want to see if I were Transport Minister. However I somehow doubt that the interests of consumers will come first.
 
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He thinks the crown prince paid attention to RP's call for Inquiry. Inquiry is the most natural thing to do after 2-3 major breakdowns. It is similar to answer nature's call. Frankly, you don't need a subject expert to be a CEO, of any company. What the CEO needs is management expertise, one who is able to look at the macro picture. A CEO need subject experts to aid her in decision making for the company.

SMRT is a public listed company, whose priority, arguably, is to make profits to please the share holders. Personally, this is something I do not agree with fully as the core priority of a transport company, should be doing transport proper. The usage of excess space for retail is a brilliant move, I say.

I also find it odd why KJ say building of SMRT is a bad decision. So much public good has been achieved over the last 20 odd years. This is unmeasurable by monetary terms. He is bring up the old LKY stories again on the public bus system vs SMRT debate in the early '80s. This reminds me of Mr Goh Meng Seng's chinese article on TOC: bringing up old stories and blame LKY on everything. If Singapore had the public bus system, we might be experiencing more frustration due to bus jams, more soots, more pollution.

This is very Kenneth Jeyaretnam. The one thing he does best is to claim credit for himself where he has no hand in. The other is to claim credit for his father that his father would be too shy to accept if he was alive. The only 2 things he says in politics. Totally conceited. The humble gene totally damaged and gone case.
 
You got to wonder if he is delusional or thinks that voters are ignorant. Where he touches on economics and the Ines of inqury makes for good discussion though.
 
What is similar between MRT and LKY?

Both are old enough to get rid off. But one can be replace, fixed or get a new model whereas the other can't .
 
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Can KJ even utter 1 sentence without mentioning his father?

despise him more than Pinky...
 
The best write I ever read on the recent MRT fiasco.

This statement is very detailed,point to the problem and gives an answer how to go about.

At least no whining like some opposition party--who reluctantly wrote for writing sake without any meat in it.

This is the best.Though I have doubts about KJ political future.He certainly shone as the analyst in him.
 
I agree with that have been said so far by fellow forummers about KJ. When he first announced he would be succeeding his father, many had their hopes raised that the time has come for someone who can take on the PAP and to give them hell as his father JBJ did. Much was expected of him but sadly, KJ has been a total disappointment. Most voters, if not all, have lost faith in him. He really cannot make it as an opposition much less an elected MP. The Reform Party has suffered great reputational damage as a consequence. The Reform Party is still around at the next GE, it would very likely receive the same level of support as the recent GE, if not, worse.
 
This is very Kenneth Jeyaretnam. The one thing he does best is to claim credit for himself where he has no hand in. The other is to claim credit for his father that his father would be too shy to accept if he was alive. The only 2 things he says in politics. Totally conceited. The humble gene totally damaged and gone case.


Applauding PM Lee for taking up his COI recommendation? That is classic KJ for you. Also never fails to bring in his father JBJ, as you've observed. When people say he is hiding behind the coattails of his father, he then gets offended. This is someone who obviously can write and think well, yet cannot connect the dots on the most basic of matters, particular relating to his social image and inter-personal relationships.

The article starts off reasonably well, reprising comments made by other parties, bloggers, and websites in a cogent way. Then in the later part it completely falls apart. I can't get whether he's saying LKY did the right thing or the wrong thing by pushing ahead on the MRT project. Is he saying the MRT project could be unnecessary and that govt has opened floodgates to foreigners so as to justify its existence. Its mind boggling in the illogical extreme.

With so many people depending on the MRT network to get to work everyday, I cannot in my life imagine someone questioning whether the MRT is "viable" to begin with. Has KJ ever taken the MRT himself, or is he just another ivory towered, no different from white just dressed in yellow?
 
You got to wonder if he is delusional or thinks that voters are ignorant. Where he touches on economics and the Ines of inqury makes for good discussion though.


The economics part I simply don't understand. Is he agreeing that MRT was necessary and LKY was correct to overrule those who said an all-bus network was more appropriate, or is he saying otherwise?

The part of the fifth and sixth lines of inquiry is incomprehensible to me. Maybe someone can explain, in English. KJ seems to be questioning the very necessity of a train network in SG, which to me is a ridiculous question given the millions who depend on it to commute daily.
 
Applauding PM Lee for taking up his COI recommendation? That is classic KJ for you. Also never fails to bring in his father JBJ, as you've observed. When people say he is hiding behind the coattails of his father, he then gets offended. This is someone who obviously can write and think well, yet cannot connect the dots on the most basic of matters, particular relating to his social image and inter-personal relationships.

The article starts off reasonably well, reprising comments made by other parties, bloggers, and websites in a cogent way. Then in the later part it completely falls apart. I can't get whether he's saying LKY did the right thing or the wrong thing by pushing ahead on the MRT project. Is he saying the MRT project could be unnecessary and that govt has opened floodgates to foreigners so as to justify its existence. Its mind boggling in the illogical extreme.

With so many people depending on the MRT network to get to work everyday, I cannot in my life imagine someone questioning whether the MRT is "viable" to begin with. Has KJ ever taken the MRT himself, or is he just another ivory towered, no different from white just dressed in yellow?

Someone once asked him if he/RP ever had a release that did not mention JBJ, and this blatant twister said yes without citing the one(s). Even one is a credit.

But to his credit, I think he has a database on his dad speeches. Always able to find JBJ quotes to slip appropriately into the releases.
 
The best write I ever read on the recent MRT fiasco.

You must still be using dial-up. Let me recommend broadband.

This statement is very detailed,point to the problem and gives an answer how to go about.

Indeed, we can point out the problem after poring through the details, then go one round about it.

At least no whining like some opposition party

I'm trying to find if a baby slipped through.

who reluctantly wrote for writing sake without any meat in it.

It must have been you pointing a gun at his head, otherwise we would not have got to read such trash. Thanks for another night of no rest for my poor pair of eyes.

This is the best.Though I have doubts about KJ political future.He certainly shone as the analyst in him.

Don't worry about his political future. He has it, except that it's counted backwards.
 
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What is similar between MRT and LKY?

Both are old enough to get rid off. But one can be replace, fixed or get a new model whereas the other can't .

Both think that their standards are so high that none on this planet earth can match. Best part of it all, our lives are in their hands every day & yet many do not realize that.
 
Honestly, if RP is for Singaporeans and not for themselves, don't waste people's time doing this. I see the same 4-5 faces every session, every photo.

If they want to remain a fan club of their own, that's fine. Then I shall call them a fan club and they should not be offended.

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Both think that their standards are so high that none on this planet earth can match. Best part of it all, our lives are in their hands every day & yet many do not realize that.

Something more light-hearted. Many people call the wrinkles on LKY's forehead MRT tracks. That's one physical similarity.
 
If there is an independent bus service standing by just to come in when there is a train service breakdown, I have a few questions to ask:
1. Do commuters need to pay fare for use of these bus services during train service breakdown?
2. Assuming I am interested to run such a service, what is the size of investment to have my buses and drivers standing by for most part of the time and what is the exlected rate of return of my investment? Or do I also have to operate on a "income opportunity" call for independent bus operators?

As for the all-bus alternative, I wonder whether KJ was old enough to remember the specifics of that proposal which was only a concept then and had not been operated on any large scale in any large city. Basically it involved having dedicated bus lanes, two to three lanes abreast so that good speed could be maintained. Considering the complexity of doing this in a city with a side road every 50 to 100 meters, practically you need to have a totally new network of roads raised onto a separate level to achieve this, not a small investment, not to mention the poor aesthetics. If you look at the number of offenders driving in the bus lanes today, you know it will not work to have everything moving on the same level. With due respect to JBJ, as he was not an engineer, I don't think he fully understood the complexity of something which was just a concept without seeing it in practice. In today's world, the great concern for carbon footprint makes this an even more difficult solution to adopt. In fact, it was fortunate we did not adopt it.

If KJ insists that this is good idea, may I suggest that he put this as his key proposal on his campaign platform for PE 2016.
 
As for the all-bus alternative, I wonder whether KJ was old enough to remember the specifics of that proposal which was only a concept then and had not been operated on any large scale in any large city. Basically it involved having dedicated bus lanes, two to three lanes abreast so that good speed could be maintained. Considering the complexity of doing this in a city with a side road every 50 to 100 meters, practically you need to have a totally new network of roads raised onto a separate level to achieve this, not a small investment, not to mention the poor aesthetics.

If KJ insists that this is good idea, may I suggest that he put this as his key proposal on his campaign platform for PE 2016.


The all bus network was criticized by Tony Tan. Aren't you glad he didn't have his way?

If we had gone with the all bus system, our country would have collapsed 15 years ago. Just imagine, the MRT NS line disrupted, immediately orchard area and surrounding all congested, impossible to book cab, everyone doing a mad scramble, buses all packed. Can you imagine SG without any MRT train, just rows and rows of dedicated bus lanes ferrying passengers around? Buses don't go straight from point A to point B. They need to wind in and out of busy streets, go into the HDB heartlands, etc. You want all bus network for a population of 5,6,7 million people?

You want to build so many dedicated bus lanes, where are you going to build your houses, shopping malls, plazas, business centres, etc.

Now KJ wants to resurrect all bus, saying MRT is too costly, inefficient? Fuck his, or no, fuck him! His father I respect.
 
The all bus network was criticized by Tony Tan. Aren't you glad he didn't have his way?

If we had gone with the all bus system, our country would have collapsed 15 years ago. Just imagine, the MRT NS line disrupted, immediately orchard area and surrounding all congested, impossible to book cab, everyone doing a mad scramble, buses all packed. Can you imagine SG without any MRT train, just rows and rows of dedicated bus lanes ferrying passengers around? Buses don't go straight from point A to point B. They need to wind in and out of busy streets, go into the HDB heartlands, etc. You want all bus network for a population of 5,6,7 million people?

You want to build so many dedicated bus lanes, where are you going to build your houses, shopping malls, plazas, business centres, etc.

Now KJ wants to resurrect all bus, saying MRT is too costly, inefficient? Fuck his, or no, fuck him! His father I respect.


do you know that the great economist Goh Keng Swee also oppose the MRT???

as an economist he think in term of marginal..... mRT is not scaleble and have high fixed cost ........ as the last MRT crisis expose .... bus can response to change in demand ... while MRT cant
 
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do you know that the great economist Goh Keng Swee also oppose the MRT???

as an economist he think in term of marginal..... mRT is not scaleble and have high fixed cost ........ as the last MRT crisis expose .... bus can response to change in demand ... while MRT cant

Goh Keng Swee was a pure economist. Even 5 cents for a drink he wanted to save. He was no engineer. The good President Ong, I believe, pushed for the MRT. He was an architect and town planner.
 
Goh Keng Swee was a pure economist. Even 5 cents for a drink he wanted to save. He was no engineer. The good President Ong, I believe, pushed for the MRT. He was an architect and town planner.

Goh Keng Swee famously said no to building swimming pool because it cost 20 cent oer swim to cover cost ....
he said i might as well give you 15 cent to take bus and to go swim in beach ... ish cheaper


what a man.... there is no sinkie land without him
 
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