Greek Catholic Church can pay off Greece's Debts.................TWICE !

[Agoraphobic]

its not they willing to live with religions ..they are made to live with them , from young those delusion parent nwill install delusioness into their kids , and when they grow up they will inject to their own kids ...as i said , just like muti-level marketing tactics .

Partly disagree.

In the last century, communist countries tried to abolish religions. They didn't succeed. In fact, these instituitions went underground and came back stronger. Besides providing spiritual direction (for right or wrong - that's another subject), these instituitions formed a base for social cohesion and support, it is more than a family thing - it is a community thing.

There might be a large number of anti-religious people, but most people need religion. Even atheist, who do not believe, will pray that their book sells.

Religion is also about hope, that there is a better destiny than one's seemingly wretchedness in this life.

And it is also about rejoice, and charity - for those who feel endowed by the God(s).

Cheers!

 

[drifter]

Partly disagree.

In the last century, communist countries tried to abolish religions. They didn't succeed. In fact, these instituitions went underground and came back stronger. Besides providing spiritual direction (for right or wrong - that's another subject), these instituitions formed a base for social cohesion and support, it is more than a family thing - it is a community thing.

There might be a large number of anti-religious people, but most people need religion. Even atheist, who do not believe, will pray that their book sells.

Religion is also about hope, that there is a better destiny than one's seemingly wretchedness in this life.

And it is also about rejoice, and charity - for those who feel endowed by the God(s).

Cheers!

many countries also try to abolish drugs , prostitution...ect . they didnt succeed too . they too went underground and came back stronger ...does it mean those drugs are right ?

nowaday , theres so many different instituitions forming different base for different social cohesion and different support too . so we dont really needed another " religion shelter " which use the invisible man to control ppl emotions and fear . religion is about blind hope ..making ppl delusion . who say atheist pray that their book sells ?

 

[GOD IS MY DOG]

drifter is right.................

 

[Agoraphobic]

many countries also try to abolish drugs , prostitution...ect . they didnt succeed too . they too went underground and came back stronger ...does it mean those drugs are right ?

nowaday , theres so many different instituitions forming different base for different social cohesion and different support too . so we dont really needed another " religion shelter " which use the invisible man to control ppl emotions and fear . religion is about blind hope ..making ppl delusion . who say atheist pray that their book sells ?

Use of materials to alter sense of perception, that was practiced in the earliest civilizations. Prostitution, that the earliest profession? These are part of human behaviour and cannot be eradicated.


I agree, ever since Age of Enlightenment - the idea of God, remains at that - an idea. However, the religious institutions that have risen out of supernatural beliefs, today form orgaisations that help the less fortunate. Provide counsel and rehab services for those at the edge of society, fellowship for their community members, even access to other musicians for those so inclinded. How can these be bad?

Cheers!

 

[drifter]

Use of materials to alter sense of perception, that was practiced in the earliest civilizations. Prostitution, that the earliest profession? These are part of human behaviour and cannot be eradicated.


I agree, ever since Age of Enlightenment - the idea of God, remains at that - an idea. However, the religious institutions that have risen out of supernatural beliefs, today form orgaisations that help the less fortunate. Provide counsel and rehab services for those at the edge of society, fellowship for their community members, even access to other musicians for those so inclinded. How can these be bad?

Cheers!

Use of materials to alter sense of perception, that was practiced in the earliest civilizations can be avoided if ppl are not delusion .

" the idea of God, remains at that - an idea " its not an idea anymore , more like a tools for the smart to con those religious devotees ( followers ) .

the only reason religious institutions form orgaisations is to help the so-called less fortunate to hide their agenda and to spread their cults organizations to get fame and more members to donate them under the name of the invisibleman . just like the pyramid scam . you think that is not bad enough ?

 

[GOD IS MY DOG]

velly velly good discussion ah....................

 

[Fook Seng]

In ancient societies, the king and their God normally acknowledges one another (.."by the powers vested in me......, I authorise...."), and the people accept. These days, God is dead and we've acknowledged democracy as the way we select our leaders, and our constituition (or courts) give our elected leader the powers to rule (or fuck us up.)

Some things haven't changed, at least not in essence. So much for progress.

Cheers!

In the olden days the coronation of kings were performed by the Church and needed its endorsement. As the Church eventually found their leadership all the way to the Vatican, the Vatican was the seat of tremendous power until one English King, I believe, broke this tradition and put the Church under his control. That is why in this country there is tremendous fear of religious power upsurping the political power. The catch-all power of ISA has been used to moderate this but a more clearly defined law is probably a more effective weapon than such a blunt tool as ISA.

 

[krafty]

looks like i am not the only one that can solve this crisis

 

[Agoraphobic]

Reiligious and spiritual shamans and priests used psychedelic plants (peyote, psylocibin, and our favourite - marijuana) to call on spirits and/or to assistn in their rituals. It was an accepted norm and practice, even in some cultures today. Whether it is delusional or not - that's up to the individual.

For most religions (let's look at the main ones), various concepts of God and what God is went through many changes and arguments. God as perceived by the orthodox christian churches during medieval times, were different vastly from God viewed by the same churches during the Industrial Revolution and even more so after the Great War. Today, in industrialized democratic societies, God is no longer a paternalistic all powerful deity overlooking and judgemental in the ways his subjects live, anything but that. For a start, God is sexless (I think genderless is more apt.) God cannot be perceived in a logical and rationalistic way. This is way different from earlier days when God was a "Father" type persona.

The main religious bodies today offer their organizational framework to carry on humanistic ways of their forming sages with good intention - to provide for the less fortunate, and community fellowship for their adherants. Those in these organizations who profit for themselves are the black sheep of the flock. They are cultists. These do not represent Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Taoism, Hinduism or their affiliated offshoots.

Cheers!

Use of materials to alter sense of perception, that was practiced in the earliest civilizations can be avoided if ppl are not delusion .

" the idea of God, remains at that - an idea " its not an idea anymore , more like a tools for the smart to con those religious devotees ( followers ) .

the only reason religious institutions form orgaisations is to help the so-called less fortunate to hide their agenda and to spread their cults organizations to get fame and more members to donate them under the name of the invisibleman . just like the pyramid scam . you think that is not bad enough ?

 

[drifter]

Reiligious and spiritual shamans and priests used psychedelic plants (peyote, psylocibin, and our favourite - marijuana) to call on spirits and/or to assistn in their rituals. It was an accepted norm and practice, even in some cultures today. Whether it is delusional or not - that's up to the individual.

For most religions (let's look at the main ones), various concepts of God and what God is went through many changes and arguments. God as perceived by the orthodox christian churches during medieval times, were different vastly from God viewed by the same churches during the Industrial Revolution and even more so after the Great War. Today, in industrialized democratic societies, God is no longer a paternalistic all powerful deity overlooking and judgemental in the ways his subjects live, anything but that. For a start, God is sexless (I think genderless is more apt.) God cannot be perceived in a logical and rationalistic way. This is way different from earlier days when God was a "Father" type persona.

The main religious bodies today offer their organizational framework to carry on humanistic ways of their forming sages with good intention - to provide for the less fortunate, and community fellowship for their adherants. Those in these organizations who profit for themselves are the black sheep of the flock. They are cultists. These do not represent Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Taoism, Hinduism or their affiliated offshoots.

Cheers!

1) delusion is delusion .its not up to the individual ...because of that stupid individual which spread delusion around that affect ppl around them , its not indivdual anymore .

2) if using psychedelic plants is the accepted norm and practice for religous ppl then why ban those plants ? because it makes ppl become more delusion when using psychedelic together which religion .

3) of course God cannot be perceived in a logical and rationalistic way...same like the Flying Spaghetti Monster . does it mean the Flying Spaghetti Monster is real ? if its not real , should we call for a ban that cause delusion , tools for the conman , spread stuplity ...ect ?

4) yes , those in these organizations who profit for themselves are the black sheep of the flock...remember if theres no " tools " for them , they would not have start religion cheating . religion cheating is the ultimate con job .. ppl dare not even report to the cops .

4)

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

religious beliefs are getting stronger not weaker. Sure certain religions are dying out being replaced by newer ones especially the 3 Abrahamic faiths. It's odd that ppl say praying to stones or trees or statues is wrong but praying to some invisible omnipotent being and his son on some wooden cross is ok. Like my fairy tale is real but yours isn't. Where's the logic in that?


In any case psychologists also encourage ppl to take up a religion.

 

[Forvendet]

religious beliefs are getting stronger not weaker. Sure certain religions are dying out being replaced by newer ones especially the 3 Abrahamic faiths. It's odd that ppl say praying to stones or trees or statues is wrong but praying to some invisible omnipotent being and his son on some wooden cross is ok. Like my fairy tale is real but yours isn't. Where's the logic in that?

It's certainly silly to pray to anything.

In any case psychologists also encourage ppl to take up a religion.

It's a sign that the psychologists themselves are also clueless.

 

[drifter]

It's certainly silly to pray to anything.



It's a sign that the psychologists themselves are also clueless.

because most psychologists are also delusion religious ppl ...

 

[Agoraphobic]

1) delusion is delusion .its not up to the individual ...because of that stupid individual which spread delusion around that affect ppl around them , its not indivdual anymore .

2) if using psychedelic plants is the accepted norm and practice for religous ppl then why ban those plants ? because it makes ppl become more delusion when using psychedelic together which religion .

3) of course God cannot be perceived in a logical and rationalistic way...same like the Flying Spaghetti Monster . does it mean the Flying Spaghetti Monster is real ? if its not real , should we call for a ban that cause delusion , tools for the conman , spread stuplity ...ect ?

4) yes , those in these organizations who profit for themselves are the black sheep of the flock...remember if theres no " tools " for them , they would not have start religion cheating . religion cheating is the ultimate con job .. ppl dare not even report to the cops .

4)

1. So are 60% of Sgns delusional? Or the other 40%. I believe this sense depends on which side one chooses.

2. Could be a number of reasons. But I think it is mostly because the pharmacuetical companies lobby for them to be outlawed.

3. The theologians who came up with this about 500 years ago said that God has to be experienced. Myelf at this point, I believe that our human species is still immature and has a very very long way to go to understand the universe, our existence, its purpose, and our role in it. But we're trying.

4. Laws of Nations, which mostly arose from Laws of God will take over and prevail.

Cheers!

 

[drifter]

1. So are 60% of Sgns delusional? Or the other 40%. I believe this sense depends on which side one chooses.

2. Could be a number of reasons. But I think it is mostly because the pharmacuetical companies lobby for them to be outlawed.

3. The theologians who came up with this about 500 years ago said that God has to be experienced. Myelf at this point, I believe that our human species is still immature and has a very very long way to go to understand the universe, our existence, its purpose, and our role in it. But we're trying.

4. Laws of Nations, which mostly arose from Laws of God will take over and prevail.

Cheers!

1) now you want to talk about percentage ? delusion is delusion. if you want to talk about delusion percentage , start a new thread ..im willing to go in .

2) yes could be number of reasons that psychedelic plants are banned ...but using psychedelic products for religion purpose to make ppl more delusion is one of the reason .

3) 500 years ago theologians are not so advance ( they dont have the technology ) then today thats why they said "god " must be experience ...a stroll inside mental Institution will tell you what " experience " is all about when you talk to their patients about ....hearing voices , seeing god ...ect .

4) look at muslim country ...their islamic law is a joke ..

 

[Ramseth]

because most psychologists are also delusion religious ppl ...

Psychologists are deluded people, as insane and deluded as their patients. Only thing is that they got the better end of the bargain being on the receiving end on the fee. Religions are alright. Good social clubs when you're bored and if you don't get psychologically involved. It's just symbolic and ceremonial stuff to bind a group of people together who otherwise have no common purpose to get together and have a good time together. I myself have many memberships and associate memberships from churches to temples to 7th month tentage parties.

 

[Agoraphobic]

1) now you want to talk about percentage ? delusion is delusion. if you want to talk about delusion percentage , start a new thread ..im willing to go in .

2) yes could be number of reasons that psychedelic plants are banned ...but using psychedelic products for religion purpose to make ppl more delusion is one of the reason .

3) 500 years ago theologians are not so advance ( they dont have the technology ) then today thats why they said "god " must be experience ...a stroll inside mental Institution will tell you what " experience " is all about when you talk to their patients about ....hearing voices , seeing god ...ect .

4) look at muslim country ...their islamic law is a joke ..

Hi Drifter, our disccussion has drifted too far from the thread's title and I wish to end here before we get this thread posted on the craps list.

I concede defeat.

FYI, I am neither pro nor anti-religion. I just let my friends believe in their beliefs, and I try to see it from their point of view when I am with them. Just wish to add this:

4) Yes. Their laws (and other religious laws) are absurd. However, if the majority wants it, that's democracy.

Cheers!

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

Psychologists are deluded people, as insane and deluded as their patients. Only thing is that they got the better end of the bargain being on the receiving end on the fee. Religions are alright. Good social clubs when you're bored and if you don't get psychologically involved. It's just symbolic and ceremonial stuff to bind a group of people together who otherwise have no common purpose to get together and have a good time together. I myself have many memberships and associate memberships from churches to temples to 7th month tentage parties.

Oh pleassssseeeee spare me this.

Firstly membership in probably almost any church in sg doesn't require you to sign up anything. You can simply walk into any church in sg and join their service. They will be more than happy to welcome you. Especially for charismatic churches in which even catholic churches are also embracing it. The more members they have the better for them.

I'm not sure for temples and those 7th month association things but i'm sure they'll let you join them for free and you'll probably pay something for the 7th month to attend their dinner while of course for such an esteemed person such as yourself you get to eat at these 7th month dinners for free and is the vip guest for all of them i am sure of that.

The way you put it makes it seem like you're a member of several exclusive clubs. Places of religious worship do not equal joining some club in sg like the src for eg.

 

[Ramseth]

Oh pleassssseeeee spare me this.

Firstly membership in probably almost any church in sg doesn't require you to sign up anything. You can simply walk into any church in sg and join their service. They will be more than happy to welcome you. Especially for charismatic churches in which even catholic churches are also embracing it. The more members they have the better for them.

I'm not sure for temples and those 7th month association things but i'm sure they'll let you join them for free and you'll probably pay something for the 7th month to attend their dinner while of course for such an esteemed person such as yourself you get to eat at these 7th month dinners for free and is the vip guest for all of them i am sure of that.

The way you put it makes it seem like you're a member of several exclusive clubs. Places of religious worship do not equal joining some club in sg like the src for eg.

Exactly. Nothing exclusive. Just socialising. When did I use the word exclusive or even suggest it? Now, what's your problem?

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

Exactly. Nothing exclusive. Just socialising. When did I use the word exclusive or even suggest it? Now, what's your problem?

No problem just that you were kind of implying that somehow they are exclusive club memberships. Why so serious and sensitive?