Who beat up Lim Chin Siong in Prison that let to his attempted suicide?

[brocoli]

There was no plot to kill anyone. It appears to be a small ruckus that got out of hand. The Govt naturally capitalised on this to split the group.

about 5 yr ago, there was an event @ esplanade, Tan Jing Quee was there to talk bout his detention ....

after the talk, I walk up to him and ask him if its true that Lim Chin Siong tried to commit suicide in prison?

he was very defensive and fierce .... he said who are you? why do you wan to know? and walk away hurriedly...

this was what i recall now.... i thought i was being rude so is actually he being guilty ????
i didnt attend his funeral cause i dun like the way he scold me.....

 

[lockeliberal]

Scroo

It's always amazing to me how much Orwell and his animal farm reflected communist party politics, purges and all. CP in his account of the CPM conveniently blamed a long chain of command, his time in Peking and his 2ic in Thailand Xiao Ching who has conveniently died after the 88 surrender leaving him as the sole arbiter of CPM history.

His 2ic was in Thailand in 1965 but the key purges did not start in thailNd until 71 70 which wiped out and split the CPM more than the Brits ever did.

it's hard to conduct a show trial without a base camp, Thats why I suspect the underground support network was spared the worst. There was at that time talk of factions etc etc, but a full blown internal party coup is something beyond my belief. I suspect they thought LCS was the reason for the success of CS and that he was another Lai teck



Locke

I would agree and very evident in Malaysia where even up to the 80s, they were taking



out traitors. But I can't recall any in Singapore's case. I found it strange that none seemed to have occurred in Singapore and no was unveiled as a traitor except for Chin Peng's predecessor. They however did undertake the practice that those who were released were quarantined for long periods.

 

[brocoli]

http://stars.nhb.gov.sg/stars/publi...body.jsp?pdfno=052-1996-02-08.pdf&keyword=lim

LETTER OF CONDOLENCE FROM LEE KUAN YEW TO MRS LIM, ON THE DEMISE OF HER HUSBAND, LIM CHIN SIONG

I think the new years card should be archived in national museum....

BTW the Lim family live in Aljunied GRC !!!!

 

[scroobal]

You sure touched a really raw wound by asking that question. Tan Jing Quee did not fit the profile. He however kept making contact with everyone. It became an obsession. When he was picked with Raman and other Euro Communist again he was released early.

about 5 yr ago, there was an event @ esplanade, Tan Jing Quee was there to talk bout his detention ....

after the talk, I walk up to him and ask him if its true that Lim Chin Siong tried to commit suicide in prison?

he was very defensive and fierce .... he said who are you? why do you wan to know? and walk away hurriedly...

this was what i recall now.... i thought i was being rude so is actually he being guilty ????
i didnt attend his funeral cause i dun like the way he scold me.....

 

[scroobal]

I never could forgive the sick smiling bastard for gross negligence for allowing young boys and girls to be killed by the various purges carried out in the camp. This guy will be murdered by the relatives if he returned to Malaysia. So he spends his time hobnobbing with Angmos and people who have no clue. In fact I think the Malaysian authorities should have hold a royal inquiry. I know many of the dead communists relatives have petitioned the govt.

Scroo

It's always amazing to me how much Orwell and his animal farm reflected communist party politics, purges and all. CP in his account of the CPM conveniently blamed a long chain of command, his time in Peking and his 2ic in Thailand Xiao Ching who has conveniently died after the 88 surrender leaving him as the sole arbiter of CPM history.

His 2ic was in Thailand in 1965 but the key purges did not start in thailNd until 71 70 which wiped out and split the CPM more than the Brits ever did.

it's hard to conduct a show trial without a base camp, Thats why I suspect the underground support network was spared the worst. There was at that time talk of factions etc etc, but a full blown internal party coup is something beyond my belief. I suspect they thought LCS was the reason for the success of CS and that he was another Lai teck



Locke

 

[scroobal]

Thanks Bro.

http://stars.nhb.gov.sg/stars/public/viewDocx.jsp?stid=23627&lochref=viewPDF-body.jsp?pdfno=052-1996-02-08.pdf&keyword=lim

LETTER OF CONDOLENCE FROM LEE KUAN YEW TO MRS LIM, ON THE DEMISE OF HER HUSBAND, LIM CHIN SIONG

I think the new years card should be archived in national museum....

BTW the Lim family live in Aljunied GRC !!!!

 

[scroobal]

A Vindictive Prick

Many people assumed that political detainees during Coldstore was tortured repeatedly, confession extracted, mentally and physically abused for the duration of their detention. Actually there were 2 clear categories of detainees.

Type 1 Detainees
These were those directly involved in violence such as assasination or supply the CPM with arms and food or their contribution has direct impact on the war up north or the violence such as bombing on the island. Typically they were Chinese educated and were recruited young. They spent days of interrogation an to reveal their role and networks. Upon release they just faded away by going back to the jungles or giving up the cause.

Type 2 Detainees
These were the intellectuals of the communist party or communist front organisations. They CPM never allowed open contact because these needed to operate in the open and they were smart enough to figure what needed to be done. These were the likes of Poh Soo Kai, Lim Hock Siew, Chia Thia Poh, Zaid Zahari and company.

This is the part that will surprise most people. Here is a classic example.

Lim Hock Siew was one those arrested under Operations Coldstore in 1963 and detained for 18 years until 1981. During his entire incarceration he was interrogated only once and for an hour the most and in the first days of his arrest. It was not even an interrogation, more a visit and discussion. It was carried out by 2 ASPs, one of whom was a classmate of his from RI. The discussion was around the fact that the govt was amenable if he chose to leave the country for good. He did not take the offer. He was not the only one. Many of the Barisan CEC members were in similar position. In later years the options were to leave for any country or denounce communism and give politics. Many refused to yield. Chia Thia Poh was offered a new home by the Canadian Govt but he too refused.

The old man basically had them incarcerated to avoid facing them in the polls. The Malaysians began releasing their detainees after a few and gave them a chance to have a career but this vindictive prick refused to yield.

 

[zeddy]

Chia Thye Poh finishes his graduate studies in The Hague in December 2000 and will return to Singapore. A recent Malaysiakini article -- Spirit of Asia's Mandela, by Ang Hiok Gai -- reports on an interview with him. Chia, once one of the longest-serving prisoners of conscience anywhere in the world, speaks about the future, maintaining once again that his quest is for democracy. He states that, in regard to the struggle for democracy, "This is not about a personal battle. The struggle for democracy is much more than personal battles.
I don't feel bitter towards anyone. Democracy is not about violence. They can jail me, but how are they going to jail democracy? One day, I'll get there -- we'll all get there."
Chia is close to the heart of Amnesty International Canada, as he was the adopted prisoner of conscience of the section's Winnipeg group.

The Canadian government raised his case with the authorities at several levels, and at the end of the 1980s offered him asylum in Canada.

It was an initiative that was much appreciated, but which Chia was unable to accept, as he would accept no conditions in exchange for release

Source:http://www.thinkcentre.org/article.cfm?ArticleID=298

It amazes me how one do not feel bitter towards his wicked oppresors..

 

[brocoli]

You sure touched a really raw wound by asking that question. Tan Jing Quee did not fit the profile. He however kept making contact with everyone. It became an obsession. When he was picked with Raman and other Euro Communist again he was released early.

very crytic.... can elaborate more ???

fit what profile?

contact with who ?

obsess bout what?

what Raman and other Euro Communist?

 

[rodent2005]

about 5 yr ago, there was an event @ esplanade, Tan Jing Quee was there to talk bout his detention ....

after the talk, I walk up to him and ask him if its true that Lim Chin Siong tried to commit suicide in prison?

Did you really or are you just bullshitting? Point is, what you said here can be discounted 100% as long as you do not identify yourself so that a third party can vouch for you.

 

[wikiphile]

I never could forgive the sick smiling bastard for gross negligence for allowing young boys and girls to be killed by the various purges carried out in the camp. This guy will be murdered by the relatives if he returned to Malaysia. So he spends his time hobnobbing with Angmos and people who have no clue. In fact I think the Malaysian authorities should have hold a royal inquiry. I know many of the dead communists relatives have petitioned the govt.

Speaking of which, the CPM cadres that fled to Thailand must be in their what? 70s/80s or so.
One of my acquaintance who has met them before told me that after they fled to Thailand, they were given sanctuary around a mountainside area where they built a resort of sorts.

Tourists could visit them and the cadres would regaled them with stories of their struggle during the Emergency, interesting everyone had a job and function in the resort. The profits will be pooled and divided equally among the cadre no matter how small or how big their function was.

 

[scroobal]

That is exactly right as part of the peace accord facilitated by the Thais, they were each given plot of land to grow things and build a home. Many sublet their plots and make a living. Mainly a retirement village. Those who remained were those that could not accepted by the authorities in Malaysia and Singapore or they refused certain conditions to return. The bulk of CPM were relocated back home. Only the Plen and Chan Sun Wing among the remaining ranking leaders did not return, the rest were back and arrangements were made to give their kids cushy jobs.


Instead of regaling their past, they should have an inquiry on why they killed hundred of their colleagues through a series of purges while in the jungle on the misguided notion that they were spies.

Speaking of which, the CPM cadres that fled to Thailand must be in their what? 70s/80s or so.
One of my acquaintance who has met them before told me that after they fled to Thailand, they were given sanctuary around a mountainside area where they built a resort of sorts.

Tourists could visit them and the cadres would regaled them with stories of their struggle during the Emergency, interesting everyone had a job and function in the resort. The profits will be pooled and divided equally among the cadre no matter how small or how big their function was.

 

[scroobal]

The best words to describe Chia Thia Poh is "Kepala Batu". Instead of identifying with the cause and whether it remained relevant over time became inconsequential and it became a battle of wits with the old man. It caused them their career, their families and the most formative years of their lives. Lim Hock Siew and Poh Soo Kai were also caught up within the space. In the modern contest, Chee Soon Juan is also in a similar boat. He entire approach is a battle of wits with the old man and not the voters. It too caused him his life.

The 2 smartest blokes turned out to be Lim Chin Siong and his brother Lim Chin Joo. Both knew what their cause was, fought the good fight and when it no longer made sense, they withdrew from it.

Chia Thye Poh finishes his graduate studies in The Hague in December 2000 and will return to Singapore. A recent Malaysiakini article -- Spirit of Asia's Mandela, by Ang Hiok Gai -- reports on an interview with him. Chia, once one of the longest-serving prisoners of conscience anywhere in the world, speaks about the future, maintaining once again that his quest is for democracy. He states that, in regard to the struggle for democracy, "This is not about a personal battle. The struggle for democracy is much more than personal battles.
I don't feel bitter towards anyone. Democracy is not about violence. They can jail me, but how are they going to jail democracy? One day, I'll get there -- we'll all get there."
Chia is close to the heart of Amnesty International Canada, as he was the adopted prisoner of conscience of the section's Winnipeg group.

The Canadian government raised his case with the authorities at several levels, and at the end of the 1980s offered him asylum in Canada.

It was an initiative that was much appreciated, but which Chia was unable to accept, as he would accept no conditions in exchange for release

Source:http://www.thinkcentre.org/article.cfm?ArticleID=298

It amazes me how one do not feel bitter towards his wicked oppresors..

 

[wikiphile]

The best words to describe Chia Thia Poh is "Kepala Batu". Instead of identifying with the cause and whether it remained relevant over time became inconsequential and it became a battle of wits with the old man. It caused them their career, their families and the most formative years of their lives. Lim Hock Siew and Poh Soo Kai were also caught up within the space. In the modern contest, Chee Soon Juan is also in a similar boat. He entire approach is a battle of wits with the old man and not the voters. It too caused him his life.

The 2 smartest blokes turned out to be Lim Chin Siong and his brother Lim Chin Joo. Both knew what their cause was, fought the good fight and when it no longer made sense, they withdrew from it.

There is a lot to admire about the man, how many of us can refuse to bend over to the authorities in the belief that we did no crime even when they insisted we did. Men of that era were of a different make from today and for 23 years the man held faster and stronger than any rock.

There was this sissy YPAP from Toa Payoh who compared the fucking old man to Nelson Mandela, obviously the fuckhead didn't heard of Chia Thye Poh

 

[neddy]

The best words to describe Chia Thia Poh is "Kepala Batu". Instead of identifying with the cause and whether it remained relevant over time became inconsequential and it became a battle of wits with the old man. It caused them their career, their families and the most formative years of their lives. Lim Hock Siew and Poh Soo Kai were also caught up within the space. In the modern contest, Chee Soon Juan is also in a similar boat. He entire approach is a battle of wits with the old man and not the voters. It too caused him his life.

The 2 smartest blokes turned out to be Lim Chin Siong and his brother Lim Chin Joo. Both knew what their cause was, fought the good fight and when it no longer made sense, they withdrew from it.

School History class was so boring these days. Because we do not have a teacher like Scroobal.
I remember seeing photos of my uncle travelling on the Jalan Grik Pasir Puteh after it was opened to public. Never rang a bell of its significance.

Whatever it is, we may never find out the truth about the Emergency years and what happened within the CPM.
or Perhaps, after a few generations after the passing of the main players, someone may find the unpublished memoirs and link up the people and the atrocities in this undeclared war years that form the complicated birth of modern Singapore.

Is camping over? class dismissed? or is it just Recess time. I go tuckshop to grab 10 cents noodle then come back.

Some history of LKY after recess? Today is his birdday.

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

on the contrary i think it shall happen...sooner r later...history does not belong to any group/org/entity/person etc...at the moment C C Chin(well known MCP historian) is still alive n active so hopefully he can carry on wif his works n inspire the next generation of historians likes say Hong Lysa n Huang Jianli...disregard Martyn n Seelan who appear to be dilettantes...attach this interesting interview given by C C Chin afew yrs back on this v topic...http://s-pores.com/2008/01/ccchin/

btw curious to know why u created this thread all of sudden?...v interesting n intriguing just like the characters n content!...oh yes i recall reading somewhere there were allegations that LCS was allegedly drugged n this may hv contributed to his suicide attempt??...

I don't think it's going to happen. The family of Lee Siew Choh have decided not publish his memoirs despite it near completion. Lim Hock Siew has decided not to do so. I don't think the climate of fear is prevalent as in the past. The central characters were very close associates of old man at one point in time. It was old man that made it possible for the likes of Lim Hock Siew, Poh Soo Kai, Woodhull, the Puthucheary brothers, Jamit Singh to meet Lim Chin Siong, Fong Swee Suan, Devan Nair and the Middle Road Gang. Old man was the legal advisor to The Chinese School student organisations, the leftist trade unions as well As the Socialist Club of the University of Singapore. For instance Tommy Koh was providing legal advice to Dr Lee Siew Choh, Lim Hock Siew and Barisan during the merger referendum when he found out that Dr Goh Keng Swee was lying during his radio broadcast about elements of the Federation constitution.

The issue is not them but us who don't even know who the players are and what our history is all about. The fact that we can't even link the atrocities of the CPM and it's leaders is already quite frightening. The fact that nearly all the children of those incarcerated were placed in quite rewarding Govt and GLC positions including Janil becoming an MP and another standing for Aljunied ward under the PAP banner should hint of the proximity of the individuals and old man. 2 of the High Court Judge holding ranking position are children of first line communist leaders.

Nobody is going to write a book and open up a can of worms. The Comet in the sky did not reveal anything. It was a tribute to Lim Chin Siong to pay penance for an error in judgement by the main protagonist that led to the suicide attempt. It was his way of saying sorry. Zaid Zahari's book is about his personal experience with a lot of abstract notions but it too did not reveal anything. The fact that he went to Chin Peng in Thailand and then to Beijing should tell us something. Chin Peng was certainly not selling ice kachang in the Malaysian jungle.

The poster children for our collective ignorance must surely be Martyn See and Seelan Pillay. Imagine writing about Robert Ho and his Cheng San San epsiode not knowing his mental position despite it being common knowledge before even Martyn was born. It may explain why the old man and the PAP can continue to make a fool of us as we know not what we are and our history.

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

GKS' name seems to pop time n again on this issue...think he rushed down to check on LCS after hearing of the suicide attempt...also think he was the highest ranking pap to attend LCS' wake together wif OPB...

By the way, it's common knowledge within this interesting circle that as along old man is alive, he will not open up the records as it will also show his tainted hand. He kicks the bucket and a neutral party will be tempted to open up the ISD files. Believe me those that have been incarcerated in the past and their families would rather have the old man and his son alive and kicking to avoid the files being opened.Here is an exampleThe 4 highest ranking communists in Singapore's history is Samad, Eu Chooi Yip, PV Sharma and the Plen. Samad's nephew holds senior position in a stat board and is a scholarship holder. Eu's 2 daughters are in SPH, Sharma's daughter is in a NUS Policy institute and Plen son is a Singapore Technologies. Except for Samad's nephew, all were placed by order of old man on the advice of Goh KS. No application, no interview, no nothing.

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

gee wiz...that statement of yrs abt LCS n Lai Teck made my hair stand bro...spine chilling blood curdling stuff!...imagine if these chaps had actually grabbed power in Singapore!...

Scroo

It's always amazing to me how much Orwell and his animal farm reflected communist party politics, purges and all. CP in his account of the CPM conveniently blamed a long chain of command, his time in Peking and his 2ic in Thailand Xiao Ching who has conveniently died after the 88 surrender leaving him as the sole arbiter of CPM history.

His 2ic was in Thailand in 1965 but the key purges did not start in thailNd until 71 70 which wiped out and split the CPM more than the Brits ever did.

it's hard to conduct a show trial without a base camp, Thats why I suspect the underground support network was spared the worst. There was at that time talk of factions etc etc, but a full blown internal party coup is something beyond my belief. I suspect they thought LCS was the reason for the success of CS and that he was another Lai teck


Locke

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

think James Puthucheary was another v smart chap who knew when to move on...

but saying that i think the world wld be a darker n more depressing place wif out the likes of Chia Thia Poh, Lim Hock Siew, Poh Soo Kai etc...best illustrates the enigma that is the human spirit...

The best words to describe Chia Thia Poh is "Kepala Batu". Instead of identifying with the cause and whether it remained relevant over time became inconsequential and it became a battle of wits with the old man. It caused them their career, their families and the most formative years of their lives. Lim Hock Siew and Poh Soo Kai were also caught up within the space. In the modern contest, Chee Soon Juan is also in a similar boat. He entire approach is a battle of wits with the old man and not the voters. It too caused him his life.

The 2 smartest blokes turned out to be Lim Chin Siong and his brother Lim Chin Joo. Both knew what their cause was, fought the good fight and when it no longer made sense, they withdrew from it.

 

[brocoli]

Did you really or are you just bullshitting? Point is, what you said here can be discounted 100% as long as you do not identify yourself so that a third party can vouch for you.

i say liao chiu wan to swallow, chiu swallow, chiu wan to discount chiu discount.. lin alo peh no reason to smear dis old man who up lorry liao... but now @ least i dun guilty for saking rude kwestion

I go there alone.. so i sexpose oiself here alsho no point.... no1 can verify other than those crowd there

i just google the talk cause i cant remember the name now...

its the ‘Detention-Healing-Writing’ forum on 26 February 2006, presented by The Necessary Stage @ the Esplanade Recital Studio

i ask hiom the question because in my naive mind then, i thought is the govt force him to commit sucide or torture this fellow and I wan to hear it from this guy who is supposely his goot fren

how do i know his goot fren was plotting against him...like chiu said

if he really try something farny against LCS, why TJQ and LCJ open the Jing Quee & Chin Joo law firm together ??


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