Cheng Bock: There is a SPLIT within the PAP

[CPT (NS) BRANDON]

"there is a division in the PAP"

"I won't just fade away"

I like the sound of it. TCB is starting to hint to the general public what political observers already know. There are some factions within the PAP (which are SIZEABLE ones) who reject the elitism, nepotism, cronyism, grace-and-favour politics of the inner circle oligarchs.

Hopefully TCB's emergence on the national stage as a pseudo-opposition middle ground figure will inspire other PAP MPs who disagree with the nation's rulers to grow a pair of balls and speak up in Parliament. It would be nice to see some of them articulating their OWN views for a change, instead of just parroting the party line.

I don't doubt for a minute that some of them are quietly uncomfortable with the direction that the government is taking. And depending on what TCB does from now on (he says he wont fade away), these people might just be given the boost of courage that they need to really start serving the people.

Remember, change can ONLY come about if and when the PAP is split. History has proven this on 2 occasions.

 

[myfoot123]

"there is a division in the PAP"

"I won't just fade away"

I like the sound of it. TCB is starting to hint to the general public what political observers already know. There are some factions within the PAP (which are SIZEABLE ones) who reject the elitism, nepotism, cronyism, grace-and-favour politics of the inner circle oligarchs.
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Not many PAP MPs have the guts and balls as TCB to speak out loudly. Already many newbies have their balls shrank instantly. The MP Kee Chiu is one of those no balls MPs, even without contest, went around sucking his master and making his own balls smaller despite spending all his life time in the army and became the chief. What a useless bum he is.

Another typical balls suckers and low grade PAP stooges are those commonly seen like Desmond Choo, Cnythia Phua and Lim Hwee Hua. Why can't they admit defeat and retreat amicably like George Yeo. Instead the losers went around to create havoc in opposition elected MP camp. Their motive is for all to see, what a losers. These category are the lowest of all human form found in PAP camp.

 

[GOD IS MY DOG]

hope so lah................the bigger the split, the better..................


hopefully the older ministers there finally find the balls to rebel against LHL after LKY mati..................




SO LET'S ALL PRAY FOR LEE KILL YOU'S EARLY DEMISE.........................

 

[CPT (NS) BRANDON]

hope so lah................the bigger the split, the better..................


hopefully the older ministers there finally find the balls to rebel against LHL after LKY mati..................




SO LET'S ALL PRAY FOR LEE KILL YOU'S EARLY DEMISE.........................

If you notice, all the PAP members who were the most likely to rebel have been systematically ousted.

- George Yeo - one of the more moderate reformists. He was left to sink or swim in Aljunied. Don't tell me PAP intelligence didn't know that LTK would be going to Aljunied? If they wanted to keep him, they could have moved him to East Coast instead of Lim Swee Say.

- Lim Boon Heng - he clearly opposed the casinos, thus explaining his outburst about 'groupthink'. He was happily talking about being moved to another GRC before the GE, only for the bombshell to be dropped a few days later.. that he would be 'retired'

- Goh Chok Tong - in the final coup de grace, LKY cleverly sacrificed himself so as to bring Goh CT down together with him.

- Tan Cheng Bock - retired in 2006

- Tan Soo Khoon - retired in 2006


On the other hand, have a look at some of the "newer" PAP guards who have been elevated:

- Khaw Boon Wan - formerly PPS to LKY. He was made PAP chairman.

- Shanmugam - elevated to cabinet minister directly from the backbenches. Clearly a hardliner/loyalist who was LKY's personal attack dog back in the days when he was still suing his opponents with reckless abandon. Shanmugam himself has not even tried to disguise his hardliner sentiments with his constant 'warnings'

- Teo Chee Hean - he is now the second most powerful man in Singapore. Also related to the OCBC family which has close links to Tony Tan.

- Tony Tan - one of the staunchest inner circle loyalists of all, recalled back to be installed as President

- Lawrence Wong - former PPS to LHL

- Ong Ye Kung - former PPS to LHL (thank goodness he lost)

- Tin Pei Ling - wife of the current PPS to LHL

- Ong Teng Koon - son of Ong Ah Heng, who was LKY's trusted underground fixer and his link to the underworld elements

- Grace Fu - she will soon be elevated to the cabinet. She is the daughter of James Fu, LKY's former press secretary and a trusted loyalist who defected from the Barisan-led left.


Our only hope right now is GY. TCB is unfortunately too old for another contest in 6 years time. But GY clearly doesn't have the balls that TCB has.

 

[CPT (NS) BRANDON]

Can I also say that TCB is the only PAP member I have seen in recent times who has GENUINE support from the ground.

You saw his supporters at Jurong East stadium on Polling Day. This support came from the ground. Not from unions or RCs. Alot of them were his former residents from Ayer Rajah or his former patients. They genuinely love the guy, in a manner similar to how the Potong Pasir residents used to love Chiam See Tong. They mobbed him when he appeared and they were chanting his name throughout, again in a manner reminiscent of Chiam and other opposition supporters such as those seen at the WP rallies.

I can't name a single other PAP member who has the kind of ground support that Dr TCB has.

Tony's support was all manufactured. From RCs, CCCs, and other grassroots organisations as well as the unions. They have to have people there leading the cheers. There will never be a spontaneous assembly of people showing up to lend support to him.

 

[red cross]

I can't see George Yeo at all as a TCB like figure. He was arrogant as fuck before his child's illness humbled and mellowed him a bit. As for hoping for a split within the PAP, I think that is wishful thinking. There is not a single elected PAP MP at present that has the cojones to vote against the party whip.

 

[apogee]

"Not many PAP MPs have the guts and balls as TCB..." TCB should show his guts by joining the WP. While LKY was ruling none of the PAPs has the gut to stand for the election as the president without LKY's blessing. I believe this applied to OTC as well. He could have stood against Prataman at that time and won easily.

 

[Cestbon]

Everyone on PAP MP know that PAP already split into 2 team long ago. Only waiting for LKY RIP then we will see majoe chance.
The LHL Team A
Consist of WKS, MBT, LTY, K. Shanmugan, S Iswaran, Josephine, Inderjit S.,Raymond Lim, YPL ,

Team B
GCT, Tharman, Amy Khor, Lily Neo,


Others are to scare to show support to team B even though they wanted to do so. The right thing to do. No Nepotism.
Another group really don't care. As long they stay as MP collect salary and pension.

 

[scroobal]

Great stuff bro. Did not see this until Profirio made mention of it. There must be strong establishment candidates with similar leanings in TCB camp that could act as catalyst and let the snowball roll.

"there is a division in the PAP""I won't just fade away"I like the sound of it. TCB is starting to hint to the general public what political observers already know. There are some factions within the PAP (which are SIZEABLE ones) who reject the elitism, nepotism, cronyism, grace-and-favour politics of the inner circle oligarchs.Hopefully TCB's emergence on the national stage as a pseudo-opposition middle ground figure will inspire other PAP MPs who disagree with the nation's rulers to grow a pair of balls and speak up in Parliament. It would be nice to see some of them articulating their OWN views for a change, instead of just parroting the party line.I don't doubt for a minute that some of them are quietly uncomfortable with the direction that the government is taking. And depending on what TCB does from now on (he says he wont fade away), these people might just be given the boost of courage that they need to really start serving the people.Remember, change can ONLY come about if and when the PAP is split. History has proven this on 2 occasions.

 

[scroobal]

That is not the split. Tharman is beholden to LHL for rescuing him. Though a liberal, he knows which side of his bread is buttered. GCT faction has more or less evaporated.

Everyone on PAP MP know that PAP already split into 2 team long ago. Only waiting for LKY RIP then we will see majoe chance.The LHL Team AConsist of WKS, MBT, LTY, K. Shanmugan, S Iswaran, Josephine, Inderjit S.,Raymond Lim, YPL , Team BGCT, Tharman, Amy Khor, Lily Neo, Others are to scare to show support to team B even though they wanted to do so. The right thing to do. No Nepotism. Another group really don't care. As long they stay as MP collect salary and pension.

 

[LeMans2011]

That is a nice thought. However, i have more faith in the political balance tipped by the likes of LTK/SL/CSM... than any kind of reform coming from GY. The "outer circle" is not strong enough to face up to the "inner circle". Bearing in mind the people attracted to PAP are motivated by the wealth and riches from being PAP, i think it will take a long time for the "implosion" you hope for to happen. eg. You can forget about GY or TCB ever joining WP

 

[mojito]

I like the sound of it. TCB is starting to hint to the general public what political observers already know. There are some factions within the PAP (which are SIZEABLE ones) who reject the elitism, nepotism, cronyism, grace-and-favour politics of the inner circle oligarchs.

Surely it must be wishful thinking to think that half or even a third of the current line-up of PAP MPs would dare raise a finger against the First Familee. I bet many know they will not make the cut to be ministers, but merely trudge along compliantly so that they may be parachuted into cushy positions in GLCs via the Amakudari route. TCB is special in the sense that he has made objections to the regime in the past which was not forgotten, and thus lost out somewhat in the pappy ORD posting. Not concluding $$ is the reason for his return to politics, but I simply wish to highlight that dissenters in PAP ranks have too much to lose and TCB's plight is a clear warning to all.

That is not the split. Tharman is beholden to LHL for rescuing him. Though a liberal, he knows which side of his bread is buttered. GCT faction has more or less evaporated.

Indeed. PAP baru under LHL is a different animal from PAP classic during the GCT era. Both lineups are dismal, but you see an occasional TCB. One swallow does not a summer make. PAP supporters should perish the thought of any "trends" of dissent within the fascists' ranks which will split the party into two, for post GE2011 the purge has been completed.

 

[mesmerised]

The split within PAP is inevitable! The PA- HDB saga is just the start. The civil service is falling apart as old loyalists retire and newbies heading various departments start to trip over each other. If Wikileaks didn't unearth sufficient issues , the new generation of civil servants will do the service.

I wll be surprised if Civil Service College doesn't start running courses on " opposition politics " and " Living the Singapore Spirit: The LKY Way ".

Get ready for the mass exodus of PAP loyalists to countries like Australia, HK and Taiwan.

 

[CPT (NS) BRANDON]

but I simply wish to highlight that dissenters in PAP ranks have too much to lose and TCB's plight is a clear warning to all.

That's why it's such a massive blow that TCB lost, which is only made worse by the narrow margin.

I realise that getting angry with the "hardcore opposition voters" who don't see the big picture is pointless as they are not going to change their mindsets, but they have done the country an enormous amount of damage with their idiotic "anyone in white must be a PAP dog" mantra. They fail to understand that the REAL enemy is not PAP the party, but the elite inner circle of oligarchs that is merely using the PAP as a shield and a vehicle to further the interests of their own cronies. This inner circle is bound together by family and social ties, NOT party affiliation. To illustrate my point, Ho Ching is not a member of the PAP, nor are any of her family members - but many of them are now holding very influential positions and it would be a major surprise if they wielded less influence than cabinet ministers who are on the periphery of the power circle.

Now, a victory for Dr TCB would have changed everything: it would have sent a signal to PAP dissenters and "outer circle" cadres that it was possible to revolt against the First Familee and not only not become a pariah, but to become President. It would have inspired any and all PAP members with a conscience to speak up and articulate their true beliefs instead of simply regurgitating the party line.

It will be ages before any Dr TCB comes along. It is not the daft 35% who should repent, but the even more daft 25.5% + 4.9%. Even Uncle Yap is repenting, he himself has admitted it. And the worst culprits of all are the 37,000 morons who decided to spoil their votes.

 

[steffychun]

If you notice, all the PAP members who were the most likely to rebel have been systematically ousted.

- George Yeo - one of the more moderate reformists. He was left to sink or swim in Aljunied. Don't tell me PAP intelligence didn't know that LTK would be going to Aljunied? If they wanted to keep him, they could have moved him to East Coast instead of Lim Swee Say.

- Lim Boon Heng - he clearly opposed the casinos, thus explaining his outburst about 'groupthink'. He was happily talking about being moved to another GRC before the GE, only for the bombshell to be dropped a few days later.. that he would be 'retired'

- Goh Chok Tong - in the final coup de grace, LKY cleverly sacrificed himself so as to bring Goh CT down together with him.

- Tan Cheng Bock - retired in 2006

- Tan Soo Khoon - retired in 2006


On the other hand, have a look at some of the "newer" PAP guards who have been elevated:

- Khaw Boon Wan - formerly PPS to LKY. He was made PAP chairman.

- Shanmugam - elevated to cabinet minister directly from the backbenches. Clearly a hardliner/loyalist who was LKY's personal attack dog back in the days when he was still suing his opponents with reckless abandon. Shanmugam himself has not even tried to disguise his hardliner sentiments with his constant 'warnings'

- Teo Chee Hean - he is now the second most powerful man in Singapore. Also related to the OCBC family which has close links to Tony Tan.

- Tony Tan - one of the staunchest inner circle loyalists of all, recalled back to be installed as President

- Lawrence Wong - former PPS to LHL

- Ong Ye Kung - former PPS to LHL (thank goodness he lost)

- Tin Pei Ling - wife of the current PPS to LHL

- Ong Teng Koon - son of Ong Ah Heng, who was LKY's trusted underground fixer and his link to the underworld elements

- Grace Fu - she will soon be elevated to the cabinet. She is the daughter of James Fu, LKY's former press secretary and a trusted loyalist who defected from the Barisan-led left.


Our only hope right now is GY. TCB is unfortunately too old for another contest in 6 years time. But GY clearly doesn't have the balls that TCB has.

You forgot the new leader of Tanjong Pagar. Chan "Kee Chiu" Chun Sing

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

the 'outside' including any n all oppos ain't enuff...for any successful change...it has to come fm a split wifin pap/elite establishment...as for the pple being attracted to pap for wealth n other benefits, well they r the same old time servers u wld get in any society desperately seeking the easy route...this grp is irrelevant when it comes to a movement for successful change...

That is a nice thought. However, i have more faith in the political balance tipped by the likes of LTK/SL/CSM... than any kind of reform coming from GY. The "outer circle" is not strong enough to face up to the "inner circle". Bearing in mind the people attracted to PAP are motivated by the wealth and riches from being PAP, i think it will take a long time for the "implosion" you hope for to happen. eg. You can forget about GY or TCB ever joining WP

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

all is not lost bro...harry & son need to thread v carefully wif the the 34plus% electorate who voted for TCB...

btw yr 2nd para below made me pretty uncomfortable the whole of last night n today...there is alot of truth in what u wrote...this message of yrs needs to be disseminated loud n clear all the way up to the next GE n beyond...

That's why it's such a massive blow that TCB lost, which is only made worse by the narrow margin.

I realise that getting angry with the "hardcore opposition voters" who don't see the big picture is pointless as they are not going to change their mindsets, but they have done the country an enormous amount of damage with their idiotic "anyone in white must be a PAP dog" mantra. They fail to understand that the REAL enemy is not PAP the party, but the elite inner circle of oligarchs that is merely using the PAP as a shield and a vehicle to further the interests of their own cronies. This inner circle is bound together by family and social ties, NOT party affiliation. To illustrate my point, Ho Ching is not a member of the PAP, nor are any of her family members - but many of them are now holding very influential positions and it would be a major surprise if they wielded less influence than cabinet ministers who are on the periphery of the power circle.

Now, a victory for Dr TCB would have changed everything: it would have sent a signal to PAP dissenters and "outer circle" cadres that it was possible to revolt against the First Familee and not only not become a pariah, but to become President. It would have inspired any and all PAP members with a conscience to speak up and articulate their true beliefs instead of simply regurgitating the party line.

It will be ages before any Dr TCB comes along. It is not the daft 35% who should repent, but the even more daft 25.5% + 4.9%. Even Uncle Yap is repenting, he himself has admitted it. And the worst culprits of all are the 37,000 morons who decided to spoil their votes.

 

[scroobal]

Some excellent counterpoints. There has to be hope. Toh Chin Chye innovation of having the CEC pick the cadres and vice versa has truly entrenched this family. However the 2nd and 3rd generation are not keen. The 3rd I understand have no intention except for LHY's (corrected) son who is being groomed. The rest are working or staying overseas. The extended families have also left.

There was an attempt to pull these people together in foreign lands by Dhanabalan and spearheaded by Arthur's son but that too has petered out and is now a business network.

Look at our new President. For all intents and purposes he is a London resident until recently as he prefers to hang around with his grandchildren.

Surely it must be wishful thinking to think that half or even a third of the current line-up of PAP MPs would dare raise a finger against the First Familee. I bet many know they will not make the cut to be ministers, but merely trudge along compliantly so that they may be parachuted into cushy positions in GLCs via the Amakudari route. TCB is special in the sense that he has made objections to the regime in the past which was not forgotten, and thus lost out somewhat in the pappy ORD posting. Not concluding $$ is the reason for his return to politics, but I simply wish to highlight that dissenters in PAP ranks have too much to lose and TCB's plight is a clear warning to all.



Indeed. PAP baru under LHL is a different animal from PAP classic during the GCT era. Both lineups are dismal, but you see an occasional TCB. One swallow does not a summer make. PAP supporters should perish the thought of any "trends" of dissent within the fascists' ranks which will split the party into two, for post GE2011 the purge has been completed.

 

[mojito]

It will be ages before any Dr TCB comes along. It is not the daft 35% who should repent, but the even more daft 25.5% + 4.9%. Even Uncle Yap is repenting, he himself has admitted it. And the worst culprits of all are the 37,000 morons who decided to spoil their votes.

And I'm suggesting that it is the 34% who voted for TCB who should see the light. Dissenters within the PAP fade away, while those who say 'aye' will see a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow in the form of cushy positions in GLCs. Remember Wee Siew Kim (father of celebrity blogger Wee Shu Min), he's comfortably settled in SBS now. Now compare and contrast that with TCB's retirement plans. Would you, a PAP cadre handpicked by the grace of the establishment risk it all for an ungrateful, motley bunch who are now blaming TJS for contesting in the PE??? They know better.

A victory for Dr TCB may change something, but I hope you realise that the Familee wields vast influence on the PAP by virtue of being entrenched in the economy (especially through director appointments) and civil service. I see little change within the PAP that could have emerged from a TCB presidency, because MPs are human too and few save for Chiam and JBJ, would choose to swear a vow of poverty to fight for the common man when the alternative is simply to follow compliantly behind the Top Dog and be rewarded richly.

The "split and division within the PAP" is just an emotional divide tactic to persuade voters to send in a "McPappy Happy Meal" team that includes a Lily Neo.

 

[CPT (NS) BRANDON]

And I'm suggesting that it is the 34% who voted for TCB who should see the light. Dissenters within the PAP fade away, while those who say 'aye' will see a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow in the form of cushy positions in GLCs. Remember Wee Siew Kim (father of celebrity blogger Wee Shu Min), he's comfortably settled in SBS now. Now compare and contrast that with TCB's retirement plans. Would you, a PAP cadre handpicked by the grace of the establishment risk it all for an ungrateful, motley bunch who are now blaming TJS for contesting in the PE??? They know better.

A victory for Dr TCB may change something, but I hope you realise that the Familee wields vast influence on the PAP by virtue of being entrenched in the economy (especially through director appointments) and civil service. I see little change within the PAP that could have emerged from a TCB presidency, because MPs are human too and few save for Chiam and JBJ, would choose to swear a vow of poverty to fight for the common man when the alternative is simply to follow compliantly behind the Top Dog and be rewarded richly.

The "split and division within the PAP" is just an emotional divide tactic to persuade voters to send in a "McPappy Happy Meal" team that includes a Lily Neo.

Yes, alot of what you are saying makes sense.

However, we can choose to give up or we can choose to make progress and recognise every step of progress as a positive step. Dr TCB's election as President would have been a positive step, and a pretty significant one.

The ouster of GCT, GY and LBH was a negative step in terms of fighting the Familee. People need to realise that not all that is PAP is evil, and not all that is opposition is good. That's all I am saying.

I get really annoyed whenever I see people saying "TCB, oh he's another PAP dog". If he was a PAP dog, he would have been parachuted into a GLC job just like Wee Siew Kim. The Familee establishment clearly did not want TCB in the Istana, and that's why they resorted to doing what they did.

Change is not going to be brought about by opposition alone. You have to realise that the playing field is so skewed that the opposition can never hope to win more than 2 or 3 GRCs, which would not even deny the PAP a 2/3 majority even if it were achieved. People talk about the opposition winning 6 seats as if it were a massive achievement, but what does it achieve? LHL has dropped a hint that his "comfort level" is actually 9 opposition MPs, which is why he created 9 NCMP positions.

Back to the stuff you said about the Familee being entrenched in the economy and in the civil service. It's sad but true. It's also really disgusting. It feels like Indonesia under Suharto or the Philippines under Marcos (minus the large scale graft and corruption). I would really hate it to come to a point where the disenfranchised people feel that the only way out was through revolution, just like what happened in those two countries.