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Joan Hon's reply to her ex-colleague Catherine Lim

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A reply to Catherine Lim's blog post, "The GE 2011 Political Demise of Lee Kuan Yew: A Supreme Irony"

by Joan Fong (a.k.a. Joan Hon)
May 18th, 2011 at 3:56 pm

Dear Catherine,

I read your commentary with some exasperation. It seems as if you have to make a wonderfully accurate commentary on all that is going on politically and go down in history for your sharp wit and perception. And to talk in terms of “downfall” with such relish so many times just got my goat.

He happens to be someone I know. In the past I have been with him a few times, not often, enough to be able to read his mind and make a comment that hit the nail on the head as to what he was pondering.

Take this as a woman’s instinct. The instinct of a woman who happens to like men, as part of the human race, as friends, and who feels for their welfare. And who care to makes them cushioned against things that are hurtful, especially to their ego.

Before his wife died and we visited for Chinese New Year, 2010, He let us (me and my sister) in to view his wife, someone who had always been on easy terms with me. I put my hand on her shoulder as she lay immobile and prayed over her.

He waited until I had finished, and then pointed to the wall behind me. “She chose this herself,” he said. I saw a large framed picture of the Virgin carrying the Child Jesus. And was astounded. She had in the past brought back a glass bust of the Virgin for my mother.

We went back to the dining table and indulged in some juicy gossip, none of it political. My nephew gave him this thing like a hamburger that his firm was selling, to show him something invented and made in Singapore.

In CNY 2011, he went down to our car to talk to my mother because she could not climb stairs anymore. She had been brought by us, her four daughters, to the wake at the Istana of a good friend without our telling her what it was all about, and she burst into tears when she realised what had happened. Loong and Yang were concerned and didn’t know how to placate her. Their father was not around. So, it was at this Chinese New Year visit, 2011, that she got to meet him.

She asked how Ling-Ling was, and she was called out from her computer to talk to her too.

He asked if she still went to Mass every day. She is now 94. We said yes for her as she is stone deaf. How does she go? he wanted to know. I said, “Oh, by taxi, with the maid.” My sister said to me later, “Idiot! We all go daily Mass and we take her there, and it is only on days she didn’t follow us in the morning that she takes a taxi.” It doesn’t matter. When you are growing old, details are immaterial.

I had just lost my husband to cancer half a year before that. He had just lost his wife. One can guess how he feels now at the vacuum in his life. I can also guess, most of his fire and confidence stemmed from her lively presence in his life.

She would say funny things to me like, “Look at me. If he didn’t marry me, nobody else would have!” and she actually doubled up in laughter. She used to shove yogurt into my mouth saying it is good for me. I hated yogurt and she never dug this truth out of me but fed me a second spoonful. She asked if I remember which room I used to stay in, in Oxley Road. I pointed to one of the middle rooms – that one!

When I bought a house, she was my lawyer, and said to me how stupid we were long ago, not to have bought our properties. “In those days, if we didn’t have the money, we just didn’t go and buy one. We didn’t want to borrow money, not even from the banks.”

When Loong lost his first wife, he was disconsolate. His father wished he had a religion or a God to carry him through this, my father said. I wrote him a long soulful letter on how we are all contingent beings, not responsible for our own existence on earth and who are journeying in this life with us. I said, if he didn’t believe in God, well, I did and will pray for him. God will compensate him for this tragedy.

His father told my father that I had a good heart, like my mother. That little remark meant that Loong must have snapped out of his mood.

In life, it is people that matter and not things. Things can go hang but it is the people who matter. If they are sad you lift them up. If they fall, one does not shout to all their lowly stance and describe their wounds with accuracy.

I am trying to say they are as human as you and me. And I have not spoken about our friendship with them, in case we give the idea we like to hobnob with the great. If now he has no power over the masses anymore, I would step forward and offer my support. I would do anything to boost his morale.

I sense now he is tired of everything, without his wife, even politics. It is time to step back. Will he be out of the picture completely? No, his opinion will still be sought and he will give it for what it is worth.

There are worse things in life he had suffered without having to worry about one GRC ward being lost. And if Loong can act as he thinks, and can promise to aim to corrent deficiencies, and thus swing votes for himself, he is doing all right. Time to put himself out to pasture. I don’t think he feels much sorrow leaving the picture.

Well, I might be wrong. It is my two cents worth. Now I too will return to the shadows. I have a late husband to muse over. And I wish you all the best and hope you are happy.

Joan
 
Both Catherine and Joan taught me, and have my deepest respect. In this instant, though, I think Joan has missed the point made by Catherine.
 
I can discount at least 80% of the content where she is just advertising her association to the Lee's by relating grandmother story after grandmother story of how close she is to them and still know what she is trying to get across.

So big f'ing deal she's Hon Sui Sen's daughter...LKY is getting his just deserts for crushing and humiliating so many people in his lifetime.
 
It is like T T Durai's daughter pleading for her unscrupulous father.
 
Both Catherine and Joan taught me, and have my deepest respect. In this instant, though, I think Joan has missed the point made by Catherine.

Apart from missing the point, I think Joan occasionally surfaces to try and regain some past glory for her dad. Granted, that her father had not really been that much acknowledged but then again neither were the likes of Toh Chin Chye and Ong Teng Cheong. And Devan Nair has only just been rehabilitated.
 
Amazing how Hon Sui Hsien's daughter's writing skills never improved from when she wrote that self-indulgent family biography. It is still as winding and pointless. Her nephew- a high flying psychology professor in NUS- is thankfully less so.
 
Big shit. Anybody who keeps using their own parents' good reputation just to gain fame simply does not deserve respect.
 
"...I have not spoken about our friendship with them, in case we give the idea we like to hobnob with the great"... isn't that what she is blatantly doing lol
 
Good example of insular thinking, all of them. They mixed with each other, reinforce each other's biases and prejudices, share the same scales over their eyes, sought comfort in each other's jaundiced views.

Catherine Lim was making a fair comment on the politics of the man and not his personal life. Why get so sensitive? Even if she was, all's fair in love as in war, and in politics too.

How do you think Chia Thye Poh's and Lim Hock Siew's families feel when they missed their men in the centre of family life for over a generation, until the children cannot recognise them? Does Joan think that only the Hons and the Lees of this world are only entitled to compassion, sympathy, family warmth, comfort, and love?

Recall what LKY said acc to Devan Nair? He wanted JBJ to crawl on his knees and beg for his mercy. Right, LKY is such a harmless kindly father who couldnt hurt a fly. What he should have learnt from history of emperors and kings is that if you live long enough to become feeble and weak and unable to defend yrself, that's when yr enemies will come out and stick their knives into you. That is Machiavelli 101.

Idiot!
 
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To be fair what a person is like in business/politics does not reflect on how has is as a father. Many ruthless leaders out there can be great parents. One of Gadaffi's son schemed and plotted to overthrow the father but the father forgave him!

1) She must know that her reply would be picked up by people like pundits like Scroobal or she is an idiot. So it is either she wants to show us her connection to MM. To show how close she is to MM. MM treated her as a good friend and even invited her to see his wife. So this lady may have betrayed that trust for personal gain.

2) Or this is part of legacy building that was started by daughter and now by daughter of another ex founding minister.
 
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The standard of English displayed from the writing is quite poor.
 
When people lack confidence or have no conviction in the things they say, they tend to refer to associations of "power". As said, 80% of her letter is some grandmother story about her dealings with the LEEgime. Stinking old bag wants attention, hoping some young strapping PAP dog will be foolish enough to clean her old pipes.
 
Blah blah blah....the more the PAPpy dogs defend their masters, the more they stir up hatred among the peasants.
 
Adolf Hitler was also known to be a filial son and he even wrote a beautiful poem about his love for his mother. He was devastated when his mother died.
 
Another example of the converted being more fervent defender of the faith-just look at other converted Penangnites eg Khaw and Irene NG.
However Hon's nephews are nice and humble people.One even managed to evade arrest when the police swooped on Tan Wah Piow and Juliet Chin.
 
Both Catherine and Joan taught me, and have my deepest respect. In this instant, though, I think Joan has missed the point made by Catherine.


hi there


1. bingo!
2. aiyoh, some privileged sheep displayed close association with its grand masters and family.
3. what's the crux of her article?
 
Dear Scroobal

When I read about this, two things come to mind. How when Deng Xiao Ping handed over he left himself just the position of the Chairmanship of the China Bridge Association and how when he handed over he handed over completely and utterly without reservation. Secondly how much genuine admiration still remains for LKY amongst a certain generation and how he probably has outlived his most fervent and dedicated supporters. His in ability to let go and to let his creation ( SINGAPORE ) flourish and yes make mistakes was his greatest flaw and folly followed only by his need to reprogramm thinking or viewpoints in his perspective.


Locke





A reply to Catherine Lim's blog post, "The GE 2011 Political Demise of Lee Kuan Yew: A Supreme Irony"

by Joan Fong (a.k.a. Joan Hon)
May 18th, 2011 at 3:56 pm

Dear Catherine,

I read your commentary with some exasperation. It seems as if you have to make a wonderfully accurate commentary on all that is going on politically and go down in history for your sharp wit and perception. And to talk in terms of “downfall” with such relish so many times just got my goat.

He happens to be someone I know. In the past I have been with him a few times, not often, enough to be able to read his mind and make a comment that hit the nail on the head as to what he was pondering.

Take this as a woman’s instinct. The instinct of a woman who happens to like men, as part of the human race, as friends, and who feels for their welfare. And who care to makes them cushioned against things that are hurtful, especially to their ego.

Before his wife died and we visited for Chinese New Year, 2010, He let us (me and my sister) in to view his wife, someone who had always been on easy terms with me. I put my hand on her shoulder as she lay immobile and prayed over her.

He waited until I had finished, and then pointed to the wall behind me. “She chose this herself,” he said. I saw a large framed picture of the Virgin carrying the Child Jesus. And was astounded. She had in the past brought back a glass bust of the Virgin for my mother.

We went back to the dining table and indulged in some juicy gossip, none of it political. My nephew gave him this thing like a hamburger that his firm was selling, to show him something invented and made in Singapore.

In CNY 2011, he went down to our car to talk to my mother because she could not climb stairs anymore. She had been brought by us, her four daughters, to the wake at the Istana of a good friend without our telling her what it was all about, and she burst into tears when she realised what had happened. Loong and Yang were concerned and didn’t know how to placate her. Their father was not around. So, it was at this Chinese New Year visit, 2011, that she got to meet him.

She asked how Ling-Ling was, and she was called out from her computer to talk to her too.

He asked if she still went to Mass every day. She is now 94. We said yes for her as she is stone deaf. How does she go? he wanted to know. I said, “Oh, by taxi, with the maid.” My sister said to me later, “Idiot! We all go daily Mass and we take her there, and it is only on days she didn’t follow us in the morning that she takes a taxi.” It doesn’t matter. When you are growing old, details are immaterial.

I had just lost my husband to cancer half a year before that. He had just lost his wife. One can guess how he feels now at the vacuum in his life. I can also guess, most of his fire and confidence stemmed from her lively presence in his life.

She would say funny things to me like, “Look at me. If he didn’t marry me, nobody else would have!” and she actually doubled up in laughter. She used to shove yogurt into my mouth saying it is good for me. I hated yogurt and she never dug this truth out of me but fed me a second spoonful. She asked if I remember which room I used to stay in, in Oxley Road. I pointed to one of the middle rooms – that one!

When I bought a house, she was my lawyer, and said to me how stupid we were long ago, not to have bought our properties. “In those days, if we didn’t have the money, we just didn’t go and buy one. We didn’t want to borrow money, not even from the banks.”

When Loong lost his first wife, he was disconsolate. His father wished he had a religion or a God to carry him through this, my father said. I wrote him a long soulful letter on how we are all contingent beings, not responsible for our own existence on earth and who are journeying in this life with us. I said, if he didn’t believe in God, well, I did and will pray for him. God will compensate him for this tragedy.

His father told my father that I had a good heart, like my mother. That little remark meant that Loong must have snapped out of his mood.

In life, it is people that matter and not things. Things can go hang but it is the people who matter. If they are sad you lift them up. If they fall, one does not shout to all their lowly stance and describe their wounds with accuracy.

I am trying to say they are as human as you and me. And I have not spoken about our friendship with them, in case we give the idea we like to hobnob with the great. If now he has no power over the masses anymore, I would step forward and offer my support. I would do anything to boost his morale.

I sense now he is tired of everything, without his wife, even politics. It is time to step back. Will he be out of the picture completely? No, his opinion will still be sought and he will give it for what it is worth.

There are worse things in life he had suffered without having to worry about one GRC ward being lost. And if Loong can act as he thinks, and can promise to aim to corrent deficiencies, and thus swing votes for himself, he is doing all right. Time to put himself out to pasture. I don’t think he feels much sorrow leaving the picture.

Well, I might be wrong. It is my two cents worth. Now I too will return to the shadows. I have a late husband to muse over. And I wish you all the best and hope you are happy.

Joan
 
I always wondered about Joan's relationship with her father and her father's relationship with his own family. I respected Hon Sui Sen, I think he is a genuine person, and I wish there were more of him in Cabinet at that time. I know Hon and his wife were fervent catholics. I always wonder why he never goes to church with the family. he usually went to a small chapel in Changi Point by himself, with 1 bodyguard. Judging by what han may is saying, how they were close and all that, I would have thought sunday mass would be a family affair. Anyway, Han May is seriously mistaken about Uncle Lee. All I can say is that if her father had lived another 4 years, he would have seen Operation Spectrum, and i believe he would have gone into direct confrontation with Old Goat over this. Hon Sui Sen would have resigned and told his family that old goat was a devious lying piece of shit over the way he prosecuted these so call marxist conspirators. I wonder than how Han May would have perceived old goat. I doubt if she would have even attended Gecko's funeral.
 
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Another example of the converted being more fervent defender of the faith-just look at other converted Penangnites eg Khaw and Irene NG.
However Hon's nephews are nice and humble people.One even managed to evade arrest when the police swooped on Tan Wah Piow and Juliet Chin.

He is extra special because he is Hakka like old goat.
 
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