The Age of Consent - 14 years is the central line of PAP Viv attack.

[scroobal]

This is probably the first time that PAP has used this sophisticated mode of attack and the statement was certainly crafted by a pro. Profiro placed the statement for those who are struggling to understand the damage that this does. It is a tactic that is used quite well in the western nations to good effect. I have said it before - its called dog whistle politics. The slow ones think it just about Gays.

It is about sex with boys. Its right there on the top. The video is even more damaging even though VW never touched the subject in the video but Ravi did.

Chee seemed to have missed the whole issue.

 

[Khun Ying Pojaman]

Profiro placed the statement for those who are struggling to understand the damage that this does. I... The slow ones think it just about Gays.

Chee seemed to have missed the whole issue.

So why don't just let the majority think that it's about gays ? After all, Sinkies are slow and stupid, right ? If majority of Sinkies don't understand the sophistication behind the statement the impact would have been minimal. But here you are trying so hard to reinforce the message. Aren't you doing PAP a big favour ?

Dr Chee didn't miss the whole issue. He's just not stupid.

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

hv u seen LHL's comments on this issue in this afternoon's live press conference?...i think i may be wrong on this one...

This is probably the first time that PAP has used this sophisticated mode of attack and the statement was certainly crafted by a pro. Profiro placed the statement for those who are struggling to understand the damage that this does. It is a tactic that is used quite well in the western nations to good effect. I have said it before - its called dog whistle politics. The slow ones think it just about Gays.

It is about sex with boys. Its right there on the top. The video is even more damaging even though VW never touched the subject in the video but Ravi did.

Chee seemed to have missed the whole issue.

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

what did i tell u!!...LOL...Scroobal wif all due respect think u, locke n me really salah on this one bro...further i am most pleased to stand up and admit that i was wrong, gives me great pleasure)...Vivian had one tight metaphorical slap on his face...so too that holier than though chris de souza n to a certain extent liang n sim ann...about time too...bloody hell...GCT talks abt good clean fight...n then vivian stoops to such below the belt gutter snipe smear crap...tot he was being darn clever...fancied himself as singapore's version to karl rove/andy coulson/alistair campell/peter mandelson/dick morris!!...LOL...wah this PAP slate has 2 president scholars...1 first class first LLb King's College n former clerk to ex CJ n they come up wif this type of disgusting tactics...shocking to say the least.....Vincent, Jeey Say, Yong Guan n Michelle, keep cool calm n collected...n go for it guys n gal...Majulah SDP, Majulah Singapura!!

.By Channel NewsAsia, Updated: 27/04/2011
GE: "Gay video" saga put to rest


Dr Vincent Wijeysingha, SDP
SINGAPORE: The Singapore Democratic Party (SDP) and People’s Action Party (PAP) teams contesting Holland—Bukit Timah Group Representation Constituency (GRC) exchanged words before Nomination Day over a video and the supposed gay agenda of SDP’s Vincent Wijeysingha.

Both sides have decided to move on — and focus the campaign on issues which are more important to the people.

PAP’s Vivian Balakrishnan said: "I’m not going to go back to discuss that. Like I said, people know about this issue, the question was asked, and (an) answer was given. Voters will make their own judgement and let’s leave it at that."

At a news conference held Wednesday afternoon, SDP Secretary—General Chee Soon Juan responded to the online comments made against Dr Vivian Balakrishnan’s team.

"(There) has been a very stern rebuke on Dr Vivian Balakrishnan and the way that he’s gone about doing this.

"I think you can sense, you can see it’s very clear the online reaction has been very negative towards (Dr Balakrishnan) and we ask him not to persist in this line.

"We are all hoping that we can run this campaign in the spirit that it was meant to be, and that is talking about issues that people are concerned about. And not get into personal attacks".

Meanwhile, SDP unveiled its party manifesto, which focused on introducing a minimum wage and relying less on foreign workers and reducing the GST.

It also called for the duration of National Service to be halved, from the present two years to one year.

The SDP said it wants to be a constructive political party.

So its party manifesto — which is launched online in the hope of reaching out to more people, highlighted not just issues, but what it described as concrete ideas and solutions that they want to champion if voted into Parliament.

SDP questioned if in an age where warfare has turned to "smart" technology", whether it is still logical and necessary for Singapore to insist that its National Servicemen undergo 24 months months of active, full—time service.

It said such a policy is rare among countries that maintain a conscription policy.

"Our national servicemen, they are in the frontline. Many have been injured, and even killed," Dr Chee said.

"They should be compensated. We recommend a minimum wage for them.

"I’m calling on the government not to exploit them, by using them for other needs. We’ve had people coming back to tell us, for example, during the World Bank IMF meeting, they were deployed to the airport to carry luggage."

The party also said it wants more transparency on the prices of HDB flats.

It said the government has refused to give the public detailed breakdown of major components of building costs such as land, material, labour, administrative and opportunity costs.

It also suggested a zero—sum approach, for an end result that the HDB does not make a profit, nor does it incur losses in the long run.

Another suggestion is to extend the lease from the present 99 years of flats to a much longer term.

It said as the older flats mature, the values will start to drop as they approach the end of the 99 years.

To tackle the issue of the rising cost of living, it suggests reducing the GST and abolishing it for essential items such as rice, oil, and medicines.

It calls on Singapore’s "public hospitals to reduce charges and to stop making a profit from Singaporeans".

SDP also wants to "increase the wages of workers and employees through schemes like introducing a minimum wage policy" which it says will put more money into the pockets of Singaporeans.

It also wants to rely more on Singaporeans and less on cheap foreign labour.

Dr Chee said Singaporeans "must stop the PAP from raising our population to 6.5 million because this island cannot cope with so many people.

SDP candidate Tan Jee Say said: "S$10 billion of the $60 billion will be going to promote (and) create industries.

"I think these are industries of the future, where your young, educated population can find traction, do well and excel.

"The kind of industries, services like advertising publishing and all that, these are industries of the future — creative industries.

"Facebook started small, (with a) humble background —— so (did) Google.

"And I’m quite prepared to put aside S$10 billion to promote (this, and) to give a million dollars each to one or two of (the) ’Facebook or Google generation’, the young people.

"PMETs like yourselves, (if) you want to start a new industry, ask the government to give you one million dollars each and you do it for the next few years.

"With S$10 billion, divided by S$1m, then you could have how much ... 10,000 firms. 10,000 you multiply by three or five staff per company, (and for a) small company, you could have 50,000 jobs".

The SDP also calls for class sizes to be halved, and more schools, hospitals and polyclinics to be built.

Mr Tan was asked how his S$60 billion National Regeneration Plan could be financed, to achieve all the suggestions the SDP wants.

He said the funds can be achieved by selling government assets and drawing from reserves.

"I’m not saying that we take every single dollar from the reserves," Mr Tan said.

"We have, I think the official figure two, three hundred billions, but obviously it’s much more than that.

"And I’m only asking for S$60 billion —— not much, small change," he said with a chuckle.

The SDP said it would reveal more at the rallies.

—CNA/wk

 

[Debonerman]

I was considering...putting him out of his misery.....Nah!...would be a waste of good lead.

 

[Rogue Trader]

It sounds to me like the smear was wholly VB's plan but swiftly crushed by LHL after remembering the backlash from the James gomez incident 5 years ago.

 

[Windsor]

The concerns were there and it was an explosive issue. There was noting wrong in our opinions if this carried on further and Bala keeps bringing up the issue, there might be repercussions that can snowball. That Bala is attempting to close the lid on this shows how badly it reflected on him and the PAP Party as a whole. There is a thriving gay community and it was a path that should not be taken lightly, but Bala thought fair is fair and our little Napoleon deliberately crossed the line.

No matter that the politicians might say the ugly episode is over but the harm has been done and some Singaporeans will bring this issue when they go to the polling booth.

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

let's face it...vivian cocked up n cocked up big time...LOL...this is what i wld call an eg n illustration of one of PAP's structural fundamental flaws...thinking that they r so bloody smart n clever...think they know all the ans n treat the rest of singaporeans wif condescension/patronise n at times even contempt...kinda like hubris...

several comments posted on todayonline.com suggested that, if vivian had asked direct questions from the start - instead of "hinting" and using "innuendo" - it would have been more palatable...exactly!!...vivian blew it big time

 

[dankos]

vivian wanted to slime and play dirty. but he still wanted to retain his false facade of a gentleman. so he throw smoke bombs and ask his pap dogs to follow up.

seems like it has backfire. of all pap mps, this vivian guy has the most cunning look. ppl like no-porn lui just look damn irritating. this vivian

 

[lockeliberal]

Dear Prof

Its interesting as apparently each GRC and SMC has its on New Media Team. Such is the luxury of talent within the PAP. I suspect V's team got a bit to creative and if the issue is not brought up again then it will just die away.

On another note the PAP is being stretched over stretched in terms of its resources. Rallies in 2011 the first RALLY :_)). They are doing the same amount as all the parties i.e one each. Another interesting ground reporting truth.

All those PAP branches are little fiefdoms, they refuse to support any other GRCs. The gathering of no's by the PAP on Nomination day was impressive, organisation impressive :_)) Then after TP was a walkover you just saw them balek kampung to relax one corner, and yes 80% were retirees :_)). I mean YOU would have expected TP PAP supporters to stick ard and cheer for MK right as they are all wearing the same T shirt :_)) Nope. Contrast that with the opposition, the blues cheering for the orange and the orange cheering for the blues. OK only two orange t shirts but u get the drift.



Locke

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

like i said abv bro...hubris...these pappies think that wif ivy league/oxbridge backgrd can automatically translate into obama like cameron like political whizz kids...what a bloody joke...to zaqy, ser luck n chris...abit more humility pls...also suggest u chaps change yr broken moral compass!!

Dear Prof

Its interesting as apparently each GRC and SMC has its on New Media Team. Such is the luxury of talent within the PAP. I suspect V's team got a bit to creative and if the issue is not brought up again then it will just die away.Locke

 

[scroobal]

I do hope that I am wrong.

I did a bit of checking around the traps and here is the low down;

The letter was penned by an ex-ST arsehole who recently came back from overseas and runs his own consultancy. It was planned for sometime and came not from the local team but from the Strategy team that reports to LHL and it had his endorsement. It appears that they are happy with the outcome which they wanted but not pleased with the online reaction. I am speculating here from what I got which was not very much;

1) They wanted to "out" VW as a gay (which was not revealed by anyone prior to this) . Surely the homophobics and the conservatives and the Christian talibans would react adversely. In this regard it is a win. BT/Holland profile is not one of young teens and couples.

2) Second as indicted earlier, it was to float the sex with boys theme which was the main intention ( which was not addressed or smothered by VW and it still hangs in the air).

The PAP might have lost points but I not sure if the net loss was in PAP camp. My sense is that that damage has been done and it was pointless pursuing this any further. One interesting comment made by the person close to this is that standard of English has certainly dropped in Singapore and he told me that many Singaporeans actually did not realise that age consent in the statement referred to same sex but many took it as sex between consenting teens of opposite sex. The main driving point about a minor having sex with an adult of the same sex was completely lost.

Looks like PAP's effort in running down the standard of English has finally paid off.

what did i tell u!!...LOL...Scroobal wif all due respect think u, locke n me really salah on this one bro...further i am most pleased to stand up and admit that i was wrong, gives me great pleasure)...]

 

[scroobal]

You are absolutely right here. Go down to the counting centre on polling day. All the various PAP branches will turn up with flags covered up but they will not talk to each other. The main reason is that they have never met and do not know members of the other branch. That has been the protocol since it was introduced by in the 1960s to prevent subversion. They only know the public figures such as branch leadership, MPs etc. They are actually that they are not allowed to mix.

All those PAP branches are little fiefdoms, they refuse to support any other GRCs. The gathering of no's by the PAP on Nomination day was impressive, organisation impressive :_)) Then after TP was a walkover you just saw them balek kampung to relax one corner, and yes 80% were retirees :_)). I mean YOU would have expected TP PAP supporters to stick ard and cheer for MK right as they are all wearing the same T shirt :_)) Nope. Contrast that with the opposition, the blues cheering for the orange and the orange cheering for the blues. OK only two orange t shirts but u get the drift.



Locke

 

[scroobal]

Have to agree.

No matter that the politicians might say the ugly episode is over but the harm has been done and some Singaporeans will bring this issue when they go to the polling booth.

 

[Debonerman]

2) Second as indicted earlier, it was to float the sex with boys theme which was the main intention ( which was not addressed or smothered by VW and it still hangs in the air).

In bold red the gist of what this thread is all about. In simple language it is a vehement attack to make VW and the SDP look bad and picture Miss Vivian Balakrishnan as a selfless saver of 14 year old boys' asses .

There is a Cantonese saying translated into English which I will share......

"The Dead Cow still has a Stiff(Stubborn) Neck."

 

[3_M]

Dear Prof

Its interesting as apparently each GRC and SMC has its on New Media Team. Such is the luxury of talent within the PAP. I suspect V's team got a bit to creative and if the issue is not brought up again then it will just die away.

On another note the PAP is being stretched over stretched in terms of its resources. Rallies in 2011 the first RALLY :_)). They are doing the same amount as all the parties i.e one each. Another interesting ground reporting truth.

All those PAP branches are little fiefdoms, they refuse to support any other GRCs. The gathering of no's by the PAP on Nomination day was impressive, organisation impressive :_)) Then after TP was a walkover you just saw them balek kampung to relax one corner, and yes 80% were retirees :_)). I mean YOU would have expected TP PAP supporters to stick ard and cheer for MK right as they are all wearing the same T shirt :_)) Nope. Contrast that with the opposition, the blues cheering for the orange and the orange cheering for the blues. OK only two orange t shirts but u get the drift.



Locke

Yes, I saw Indranee and her supporters having meals in the hawker center at 2pm that day. I presumed they arrive at 1 plus. Most of them are 50s and above.

 

[youallhumsup]

Yes, I saw Indranee and her supporters having meals in the hawker center at 2pm that day. I presumed they arrive at 1 plus. Most of them are 50s and above.

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