you went to Sentosa?
I told you I would be at my Nassim Road residence
Eh Datuk Pakcik Botak... you overslept say so lah... :p Pig.
-
IP addresses are NOT logged in this forum so there's no point asking. Please note that this forum is full of homophobes, racists, lunatics, schizophrenics & absolute nut jobs with a smattering of geniuses, Chinese chauvinists, Moderate Muslims and last but not least a couple of "know-it-alls" constantly sprouting their dubious wisdom. If you believe that content generated by unsavory characters might cause you offense PLEASE LEAVE NOW! Sammyboy Admin and Staff are not responsible for your hurt feelings should you choose to read any of the content here. The OTHER forum is HERE so please stop asking.
Ex-Rhodes Scholar is potential WP candidate
- Thread starter heartlander
- Start date
Eh Datuk Pakcik Botak... you overslept say so lah... :p Pig.
It is probably early 1980. He is wearing the OCS tie, which has not been a requirement since the early 80s.
you went to Sentosa?
I told you I would be at my Nassim Road residence
Bro, next time be specific. You have so many GCBs I also confused liao.
heartlander;679323 His application to study medicine at the National University of Singapore was rejected said:
No one in the opposition camp is allowed to look good in the ST.
This is an interesting development. He came to Singapore when he as was 11 years old and only chose to become a citizen when the Rhodes Scholarship was up for grabs in 1986. He would not be eligible for it otherwise. He does not reside or has worked in Singapore for the last 17 years. In fact if overseas education is included he has hardly being in town.
I am hazarding a guess here but I think that he was with PAP and did not seem to have gone far.
I wonder if WP has been bitten by the scholarbug that PAP loves to peddle.
I am hazarding a guess here but I think that he was with PAP and did not seem to have gone far.
I wonder if WP has been bitten by the scholarbug that PAP loves to peddle.
Chen Show Mao top the A-level exams in Singapore in 1979. He is an all rounder with a strong inclinations towards the humanities. He was President of the Student Council in NJC.
Despite being borned in Taiwan, he chose to do National Service inSingapore at a time where most foreign students will leave for US before or after A-level.
He was rejected for medicine in NUS because of a standing policy to prevent very outstanding students to do Medicine which started around that time. In fact, the top student in the following year was also rejected for the same reason.
In the 70 to early 80, NJC was definitely the top junior college in Singapore.
He went to Harvard to do economics and top Harvard in economics for his undergraduate degree.
With his career in his current US law firm as a partner, he would have made much more than any of our ministers so there is no monetary incentives to stand for elections unless out of a passion to serve Singapore in some way or another. He also do not have any axe to grind as he has been very successful despite being rejected for medicine.
Although being in abroad for quite some years, he serves in the advisory board for the SMU law faculty. So, he does not pop out of nowhere.
If you look closely, none of the PAP candidates put up so far has been able to measure up with him in terms of calibre, exposure and track record. In summary, he is able to get to where he is today solely on his own merit without being groomed through a fast track career in civil service or saf. It must also be noted that he could have easily gotten the President Scholarship if he was a citizen during the year it was awarded.
Despite being borned in Taiwan, he chose to do National Service inSingapore at a time where most foreign students will leave for US before or after A-level.
He was rejected for medicine in NUS because of a standing policy to prevent very outstanding students to do Medicine which started around that time. In fact, the top student in the following year was also rejected for the same reason.
In the 70 to early 80, NJC was definitely the top junior college in Singapore.
He went to Harvard to do economics and top Harvard in economics for his undergraduate degree.
With his career in his current US law firm as a partner, he would have made much more than any of our ministers so there is no monetary incentives to stand for elections unless out of a passion to serve Singapore in some way or another. He also do not have any axe to grind as he has been very successful despite being rejected for medicine.
Although being in abroad for quite some years, he serves in the advisory board for the SMU law faculty. So, he does not pop out of nowhere.
If you look closely, none of the PAP candidates put up so far has been able to measure up with him in terms of calibre, exposure and track record. In summary, he is able to get to where he is today solely on his own merit without being groomed through a fast track career in civil service or saf. It must also be noted that he could have easily gotten the President Scholarship if he was a citizen during the year it was awarded.
Chen Show Mao topped the Singapore GCE 'A' level exams in 1979. He is an all rounder with a strong inclinations towards the humanities. He was active in college activities and was the President of the Students Council in 1979. Despite being borned in Taiwan, he served NS after A-levels. Most foreign students in those days would have gone to the US or UK before or after A-levels.
Throughout the 70 till the early 80, NJC was the top JC in Singapore.
He was rejected for Medicine in NUS due to a standing policy that started around that time that discourages very outstanding students to do medicine. In fact, the top student in 1980 was also rejected for medicine for the same reasons, I believe.
After NS, he went to Harvard to do economics and topped harvard for econs for his undergraduate degree. He did his master in Philosophy in Oxford under a Rhodes Scholarship.Subsequently, he did law in Stanford and has been working for a US law firm ever since.
Despite not being permanently in Singapore for quite some time, he is on the advisory board for the SMU law faculty so it will not be fair to say that he suddenly pop out of nowhere.
In view of his career as a partner in the US law firm (which is within top the 5 law firm in US, I believe), he is probably making much more than any of our ministers. So, there is really no monetary reasons for him to stand for elections.If he do so, it must be out of a certain amount of idealism and passion for Singapore. I do not think he has a axe to grind as his education in Singapore contribute a large part to his success today.
It is immaterial to him whether he take up citizenship in 1986 since he has already served NS by 1982. He could have done law after Harvard without taking up the Rhodes Scholarship and start making money earlier based on his undergraduate achievements. Doing philosophy in Oxford is more of an intellectual endeavour than anything else.
If you look at his record, he achieve everything on his own merit in academia and in the private sector with being fasttracked through a scholarship. He would have easily won the President Scholarship in 1980 if he was a citizen that year.
If I may speculate, he may have been courted by the PAP without success since he can be a shining example to support the current mass immigration policy.
By throwing up his name, it has prevented the PAP on commenting on the quality of potential opposition candidates like in the past. I believe this is the WP intention. Whether he stand or not, is another question.
I hope he stand and get elected so that he can raise the level of debate in parliament for the opposition.
Throughout the 70 till the early 80, NJC was the top JC in Singapore.
He was rejected for Medicine in NUS due to a standing policy that started around that time that discourages very outstanding students to do medicine. In fact, the top student in 1980 was also rejected for medicine for the same reasons, I believe.
After NS, he went to Harvard to do economics and topped harvard for econs for his undergraduate degree. He did his master in Philosophy in Oxford under a Rhodes Scholarship.Subsequently, he did law in Stanford and has been working for a US law firm ever since.
Despite not being permanently in Singapore for quite some time, he is on the advisory board for the SMU law faculty so it will not be fair to say that he suddenly pop out of nowhere.
In view of his career as a partner in the US law firm (which is within top the 5 law firm in US, I believe), he is probably making much more than any of our ministers. So, there is really no monetary reasons for him to stand for elections.If he do so, it must be out of a certain amount of idealism and passion for Singapore. I do not think he has a axe to grind as his education in Singapore contribute a large part to his success today.
It is immaterial to him whether he take up citizenship in 1986 since he has already served NS by 1982. He could have done law after Harvard without taking up the Rhodes Scholarship and start making money earlier based on his undergraduate achievements. Doing philosophy in Oxford is more of an intellectual endeavour than anything else.
If you look at his record, he achieve everything on his own merit in academia and in the private sector with being fasttracked through a scholarship. He would have easily won the President Scholarship in 1980 if he was a citizen that year.
If I may speculate, he may have been courted by the PAP without success since he can be a shining example to support the current mass immigration policy.
By throwing up his name, it has prevented the PAP on commenting on the quality of potential opposition candidates like in the past. I believe this is the WP intention. Whether he stand or not, is another question.
I hope he stand and get elected so that he can raise the level of debate in parliament for the opposition.
I think it best to talk to him before you write the wrong things and make him look silly.
He was not rejected because he was the top student. He did not pass the medical aptitude test. He failed the test. It was the first year that the test was introduced. In the past, entry was based solely on examination results. The Medical aptitude test is now a mainstay of entry to medicine all around the world in most universities. The intention is to weed out those who either don't have the aptitude or EQ to be suitable for medicine.
It is fair to say that the Govt was concerned that about too many top students making it to Medicine. The way that the govt addressed it is by offering scholarships or persuading them during the PSC interviews. Nobody gets rejected for a course if he is a top student. Sounds silly does it not.
Interestingly in the same year, Viv Balakrisnan wanted to do law but PSC persuaded him to do Medicine and after further discussions he took up medicine. He also won the president's scholarship.
Chen is a multi-millionaire and from the very start of his law career, he went straight for the richest pot in law practice - corporate M&A. He holds the record for advising on the richest IPO in history.
He is well connected to the establishment and thus my surprise that he appeared in WP.
He was not rejected because he was the top student. He did not pass the medical aptitude test. He failed the test. It was the first year that the test was introduced. In the past, entry was based solely on examination results. The Medical aptitude test is now a mainstay of entry to medicine all around the world in most universities. The intention is to weed out those who either don't have the aptitude or EQ to be suitable for medicine.
It is fair to say that the Govt was concerned that about too many top students making it to Medicine. The way that the govt addressed it is by offering scholarships or persuading them during the PSC interviews. Nobody gets rejected for a course if he is a top student. Sounds silly does it not.
Interestingly in the same year, Viv Balakrisnan wanted to do law but PSC persuaded him to do Medicine and after further discussions he took up medicine. He also won the president's scholarship.
Chen is a multi-millionaire and from the very start of his law career, he went straight for the richest pot in law practice - corporate M&A. He holds the record for advising on the richest IPO in history.
He is well connected to the establishment and thus my surprise that he appeared in WP.
All the Way lah .... ah mao ....
SDP leader's wife, FT
DPP slipper man's wife = murderous FT
So also cannot use is it
Seriously pple. Stop discriminating so called "new citizens" and citizens. There is only citizens. I find the use of the word "new" to be ridiculous
In any case, those of you who keep trumpeting about opposition = getting rid of FT, should stop deluding yourself. The opposition parties are championing more benefits for Locals vs FTs and not getting rid of them. The fact of the matter is our economy doesn't allow us to get rid of them. Not in the short term anyway.
if one is to vote based on ability to communicate with voters and taking care of the town council, I wonder who would want to vote an absentee who is based overseas to be their MP.
but then again, this election is to kick out PAP, so even if it is a dead dog contesting, vote for the dead dog rather than the blood sucking PAP,,,,,,,,
so regardless rhodes scholar or otherwise,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,VOTE PAP OUT
but then again, this election is to kick out PAP, so even if it is a dead dog contesting, vote for the dead dog rather than the blood sucking PAP,,,,,,,,
so regardless rhodes scholar or otherwise,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,VOTE PAP OUT
u may be mistaken...chen initially wanted to read medicine...he did not get a place at nus med school becoz of govt policy to spread talent ard as generally all top science elites opt to study med well at least in his day...
do u know for a fact whether chen failed this test?...i ask this Q becoz i recall another top A level student not far after chen's batch was apparently rejected med, parents cld not afford to send him overseas for med n he ended up reading denistry...went on to top all exams, honours n won medals etc, then became dean of dentistry faculty etc...
anyways this so called test assuming it is a sieve is probably a poor tool as i personally know of loads of local med grads after this date who hv poor med EQ n definitely went into med school for $$$ n prestige only...
why so negative abt Chen?...he just appears ultra pragmatic...seen worse fm some self-righteous overpaid pap ministers who probably wld not smell even half of what the tax payer is paying them...let's give this chap a chance...
anyways this so called test assuming it is a sieve is probably a poor tool as i personally know of loads of local med grads after this date who hv poor med EQ n definitely went into med school for $$$ n prestige only...
why so negative abt Chen?...he just appears ultra pragmatic...seen worse fm some self-righteous overpaid pap ministers who probably wld not smell even half of what the tax payer is paying them...let's give this chap a chance...
If CSM joins the Aljunied team, it can only increase votes for WP. I am getting excited. I live in Aljunied GRC and want to enjoy the privilege of witnessing the collapse of Georgie boy and all his kakis.
1) Yes, he failed the test. That year they had vocational attachment before selection. I think it was 2 weeks or so. As it was the pioneer batch, the top medical people wanted to be sure so they monitored it.
2) Viv who wanted to do Law was persuaded to attend the vocational attachment after being persuaded by PSC and found it to his liking.
3) It does not make sense to deny a person a place in Medicine just because he was a top student. The govt chose a policy of applying incentives and disincentives to move some of the smart ones to pursue non-medical option. One of the disincentive is not to recognise medical qualifications from overseas except for a miserable elite few institutions. The irony was persuading Viv to do medicine when the public spiel was the opposite.
4) You may wish to check with your family and relatives who are in the medical profession about the aptitude test for 1979 A level batch and for subsequent intakes.
5) I like the word "ultra practical". Very apt for him. I can't see anything that he did suggesting that he was into humane things or along the lines of humanity related work. Anyone can recall a letter, an article or a mention along these lines would be helpful.
6) Have checked on him since my post. He has never worked in Singapore since leaving NS for overseas. In fact he has not been residing here since NS. That's 25 years.
7) Changing citizenship for Rhodes Scholarship seems to be another "ultra-practical move"
Maybe someone can shed some light on his non ultra-pragmatic endeavors. Even a fraction of Geoffrey Robertson's work on this space would be good for his outlook.
My concern is that he has not been persuaded by the establishment to partake in elections similar to Chua Kim Yow plus the guaranteed seat as he is close to the establishment.
2) Viv who wanted to do Law was persuaded to attend the vocational attachment after being persuaded by PSC and found it to his liking.
3) It does not make sense to deny a person a place in Medicine just because he was a top student. The govt chose a policy of applying incentives and disincentives to move some of the smart ones to pursue non-medical option. One of the disincentive is not to recognise medical qualifications from overseas except for a miserable elite few institutions. The irony was persuading Viv to do medicine when the public spiel was the opposite.
4) You may wish to check with your family and relatives who are in the medical profession about the aptitude test for 1979 A level batch and for subsequent intakes.
5) I like the word "ultra practical". Very apt for him. I can't see anything that he did suggesting that he was into humane things or along the lines of humanity related work. Anyone can recall a letter, an article or a mention along these lines would be helpful.
6) Have checked on him since my post. He has never worked in Singapore since leaving NS for overseas. In fact he has not been residing here since NS. That's 25 years.
7) Changing citizenship for Rhodes Scholarship seems to be another "ultra-practical move"
Maybe someone can shed some light on his non ultra-pragmatic endeavors. Even a fraction of Geoffrey Robertson's work on this space would be good for his outlook.
My concern is that he has not been persuaded by the establishment to partake in elections similar to Chua Kim Yow plus the guaranteed seat as he is close to the establishment.
There was a policy of "spreading" the most talented across the professions. The PAPzis perceived that too many of the top students ended up in medical school and thus channelled them to other faculties like engineering, accountancy and law. Please read the following paper for some perspective.
Many of my peers who wanted to go into medical school deliberately got Bs so as not to fall within the creme de la creme. Some succeeded, others didn't. The main result of this engineering was that NUS admission became very opaque. Nobody quite knew what the criteria for entry were.
http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q...47gYiI&sig=AHIEtbTnAbiAFX33odY-OSbiyxcfQuteNQ
Many of my peers who wanted to go into medical school deliberately got Bs so as not to fall within the creme de la creme. Some succeeded, others didn't. The main result of this engineering was that NUS admission became very opaque. Nobody quite knew what the criteria for entry were.
http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q...47gYiI&sig=AHIEtbTnAbiAFX33odY-OSbiyxcfQuteNQ
He not only once declared, he still insists that's it.
Lucky you living in Aljunied, I live in B-TP which may have a 3-corner.
I don't see anything wrong with CSM being born in Taiwan. He came here as a student with his parents and naturalized. I heard he even served NS.
I like to make the following comments:-
1) The medical aptitude test is largey based on two weeks of clinical observation, I think. It can be subjective and in some cases inaccurate. It can also be used as a tool to spread out the outstanding individual from doing medicine. The group of people who suffer the most are those who are brilliant but poor. Often when rejected from doing medicine, they have no other options but to settle down on something which is not their preferred choice.
2) Vivian Bala did physical science in JC while most of the bright science students would offer physics and chemistry in those days. In a certain sense, he may not be competing with the best students of his generation at A-level in some key areas.
3) How "pragmatic" can someone be if he chooses to read Philosophy at Oxford under the Rhodes Scholarship?
3) While Chen SM may not have live in Singapore permanently after NS, he live in Hong Kong and China for the last ten years or so. He will be able to provide some valuable insight which are often so lacking in our current MPs in parliament.
However, I am doubtful he will stand and will be surprise if he does so.
1) The medical aptitude test is largey based on two weeks of clinical observation, I think. It can be subjective and in some cases inaccurate. It can also be used as a tool to spread out the outstanding individual from doing medicine. The group of people who suffer the most are those who are brilliant but poor. Often when rejected from doing medicine, they have no other options but to settle down on something which is not their preferred choice.
2) Vivian Bala did physical science in JC while most of the bright science students would offer physics and chemistry in those days. In a certain sense, he may not be competing with the best students of his generation at A-level in some key areas.
3) How "pragmatic" can someone be if he chooses to read Philosophy at Oxford under the Rhodes Scholarship?
3) While Chen SM may not have live in Singapore permanently after NS, he live in Hong Kong and China for the last ten years or so. He will be able to provide some valuable insight which are often so lacking in our current MPs in parliament.
However, I am doubtful he will stand and will be surprise if he does so.
Similar threads
