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PAP will be voted out one day say MM Lee

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PAP will be voted out one day: MM Lee
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IN HIS new book which launches today, Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew spoke about the possibility of Singapore's ruling party being voted out.

Mr Lee predicted that voters will "get tired of a stable government and say let's try the opposition".

The People's Action Party (PAP) is the dominant party in Singapore and has held power since 1954. Mr Lee was its party leader until 1992 and now remains on its central executive committee.

"There will come a time when eventually the public will say, look, let's try the other side, either because the PAP has declined in quality or the opposition has put up a team which is equal to the PAP and they say, let's try the other side. That day will come."

He also added: "No system lasts for forever, that's for sure. In the next 10 years to 20 years, I don't think it'll happen. Beyond that, I cannot tell. Will we always be able to get the most dedicated and the most capable, with integrity to devote their lives to this? I hope so, but forever, I don't know."

Mr Lee referred to the Liberal Party in Japan as an example. The party held power from 1955 to 2009, with an 11-month interruption from 1993 to 1994.

He said that the downfall of the Japanese party was partly because it "carried on with old ideas".

These were some predictions and remarks made by Mr Lee while he was being interviewed by a team of journalists from The Straits Times for his new book, Lee Kuan Yew: Hard Truths To Keep Singapore Going, to be launched today at St Regis Singapore.

According to a report in The Straits Times, he said that such changes could take place suddenly - if the PAP leadership splits - or gradually, if the PAP declines in quality.

If the opposition assembles a team equal to the PAP, the ruling party might decline gradually as well.

Mr Lee said: "If the decline in standards happens gradually, an opposition of quality will be launched. The public can sense it. If it is sudden, well, you're landed with an emergency, and unless a credible team emerges, the country will start to go down the drain."

However, he was confident that Singapore's political system would be able to survive a handover of power.

Such safeguards include the elected presidency, free and regular elections and a bureaucracy separated from the political leadership.

"If we are voted out, the system is still working," he said.

Growing wage gap potential trouble for PAP

Mr Lee singled out a potential source of trouble for the PAP - the growing wage gap.

This issue could spark potential class interests.

"There could be a time when the interest of the upper middle class will be divergent, that they don't think they should subsidise the lower classes. They may well support a party which says, 'No, I don't think this taxation is right. Why should I support the people in the two-room and three-room and four-room flats?' We will widen the divide in our society. I don't know when, but it will come."

To prevent an entrenchment of a "disaffected, discontented and rebellious" underclass, like in America, the Government went out of its way to cater to the lower-income.

But Mr Lee insisted that using welfare payments would not work in Singapore, as the country "will not perform".

During the interview sessions for his book, Mr Lee was also probed for his views on liberal democracy.

He was not convinced of the superiority of democracy - if it was clearly a better system, it would have "taken over the world", just as the market economy has, he said.

Mr Lee did, however, say that democracy had one great attraction: it allowed for non-violent changes of government.

Although he thought the PAP would lose power one day, Mr Lee dismissed the suggestion that it should therefore aid the opposition.

He quoted from a note from younger ministers: "If voters elect more oppposition MPs, so be it. But we do not believe that helping to build an oposition, to buy insurance in case the PAP fails, will work. Instead it will lead to mroe party politicking and distraction from long-term issues."

Mr Lee added: "I'm not out here to justify the PAP or the present government. I am beyond that phase."
 
Hope I will not have to wait for too long, this coming election will be the begining end of PAP.
 
One day? i think the next election we see SDP sweeping the whole country.
 
Mr Lee added: "I'm not out here to justify the PAP or the present government. I am beyond that phase."

I think you should just shut the hell up. We do not need any old farts to fart around.
 
Dear MM LKY

You said:""There could be a time when the interest of the upper middle class will be divergent, that they don't think they should subsidise the lower classes. They may well support a party which says, 'No, I don't think this taxation is right. Why should I support the people in the two-room and three-room and four-room flats?' We will widen the divide in our society. I don't know when, but it will come."

You are agin trying to hoodwink/BS yr citizens.

It is very bad to do so.You know very well that no party can be better than PAP to protect the interest of upper middle class in Singapore.

Compare to the PAP,the Republic & Liberal in USA and UK can be considered SOCILAISTS actually,who can be MORE PRO-upper middle class(RICH GUYS) in Singapore.

Well,60-70% of those who are over 50 years still support you but ALAS,you lOst the younger generation,they either oppose you or BOCHAP,planning to leave.

How sad,but I do not think it is over,you still have time to review,reverse and change.Pl do so
 
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Whatever MM said, we all also know. And we knew years ago. The difference is that MM gets paid millions to say obvious things whereas we don't get paid a single cent. On the contrary, we are taxed heavily to allow him to lead the good life. Stupid 66.6%.
 
However, he was confident that Singapore's political system would be able to survive a handover of power.

Such safeguards include the elected presidency, free and regular elections and a bureaucracy separated from the political leadership.

"If we are voted out, the system is still working," he said.

That means PAP ALREADY planted their people in these places. So even if PAP were voted out, their "own" people are now running the show from the "outside". In the media, HDB, people's association, Town council, the President, etc... You get the picture?
 
According to a report in The Straits Times, he said that such changes could take place suddenly - if the PAP leadership splits - or gradually, if the PAP declines in quality.

Sometime back, I remember reading someone posting that the post LKY era will look something like the eara of warring kingdoms. It got demolished by the IB as complete nonsense.

How come MM seems to be talking about it now? :rolleyes:
 
That means PAP ALREADY planted their people in these places. So even if PAP were voted out, their "own" people are now running the show from the "outside". In the media, HDB, people's association, Town council, the President, etc... You get the picture?

that not important, the first thing to do is to sack temasek and GIC, CEO and chairman
 
PAP is now the world longest uninterrupted elected single ruling party since the fall of Paraguay Colorado Party and Japan LDP.

when are we voting out the MIW? :confused:
 
I guess we can't begrudge his crowing when he is still on top. When the day comes for PAP to be toppled, we shall have our best laughs. The man is so full of self-conceit and ego that he can't see himself before a cliff. Bye bye soon, Mr Lee and yr PAP.
 
Whatever MM said, we all also know. And we knew years ago. The difference is that MM gets paid millions to say obvious things whereas we don't get paid a single cent. On the contrary, we are taxed heavily to allow him to lead the good life. Stupid 66.6%.

hi there

1. not that voters are tired of some "stable" establishment.
2. it would be "cannot deliver" mah!
 
I was hoping it collapse once he retired in 1990. This gangster outlive everyone.
 
How true. He is using reverse psychology to con everyone to vote for PAP.
Smart trick. By mentioning about his death in papers, most gullible Singaporeans will sympathise and will actually feel bad voting for opposition in GE, as they feel giving him a crushing defeat in GE is akin to not letting this old man die in peace.

This old man is a damned fox.
 
Smart trick. By mentioning about his death in papers, most gullible Singaporeans will sympathise and will actually feel bad voting for opposition in GE, as they feel giving him a crushing defeat in GE is akin to not letting this old man die in peace.

This old man is a damned fox.

“A prince must imitate the fox and the lion, for the lion cannot protect himself from traps, and the fox cannot defend himself from wolves. One must therefore be a fox to recognize traps, and a lion to frighten wolves. Those that wish to be only lions do not understand this. Therefore, a prudent ruler ought not to keep faith when by so doing it would be against his interest, and when the reasons which made him bind himself no longer exist. If men were all good, this precept would not be a good one; but as they are bad, and would not observe their faith with you, so you are not bound to keep faith with them.” - Niccolo Machiavelli
 
“A prince must imitate the fox and the lion, for the lion cannot protect himself from traps, and the fox cannot defend himself from wolves. One must therefore be a fox to recognize traps, and a lion to frighten wolves. Those that wish to be only lions do not understand this. Therefore, a prudent ruler ought not to keep faith when by so doing it would be against his interest, and when the reasons which made him bind himself no longer exist. If men were all good, this precept would not be a good one; but as they are bad, and would not observe their faith with you, so you are not bound to keep faith with them.” - Niccolo Machiavelli
Now that you say this, I remember that Old Fart is a Machiavellian. And what you said just perfectly describes him.
 
Now that you say this, I remember that Old Fart is a Machiavellian. And what you said just perfectly describes him.

Love him or hate him, he's been around since 1959 while most dictators of his generation are either dead or overthrown.
 
Love him or hate him, he's been around since 1959 while most dictators of his generation are either dead or overthrown.
I can only hope that the next GE will be the breakthrough. Frankly, even Mad Hatter has the decency to retire for good and give comments occasionally. Old Man was smart enough then to gain the support of the US. Most dictators were overthrown simply because the US opposed or unsupported their regime. He was wise enough to suck up to Johnson back then.
 
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