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China Inflation `Volcano'

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China Inflation `Volcano' May Prove Too Hot for Controls After Cash Surge
Bloomberg News

“you’re sitting on a volcano,”
Quantitative easing in the U.S. puts China’s seat to the fire.

Standing near his 12-table noodle shop on Beijing’s Yonghegong Avenue, owner Liu Heliang says meat and vegetable prices have climbed 10 percent in a year and staff wages are up 40 percent.

“I’m struggling to make ends meet with costs going up like this,” said Liu, a native of Sichuan province who pays his workers as much as 1,800 yuan ($271) a month, or 88 percent more than the Beijing minimum wage, to serve up a staple Chinese meal. “Raising prices is the only way out,” he said, predicting he won’t be able to hold out beyond two months.

Premier Wen Jiabao’s cabinet last week announced it will sell grain, cooking-oil and sugar reserves, ordered an end to tolls on trucks carrying produce and threatened price controls to rein in a 10 percent inflation rate for food. Because the measures would do nothing to counter the 54 percent surge in money supply over the past two years, the risk is they will prove insufficient to cope with the challenge.

“They are just not addressing the fundamental problem at all,” said Patrick Chovanec, an associate professor at Beijing’s Tsinghua University. With the expansion of credit and cash in the economy stemming from China’s response to the global crisis, “you’re sitting on a volcano,” said Chovanec.

Lagging Behind

The People’s Bank of China has raised its benchmark interest rates once this year, lagging behind Malaysia, Thailand, Taiwan and South Korea as emerging Asian economies led the global economic rebound. Policy makers have instead relied on guidance to banks to scale back lending and on increases in reserve ratios, with the PBOC announcing the fifth boost of the year four days ago.

The Shanghai Composite Index tumbled 1.9 percent at today’s close, extending the benchmark’s biggest two-week slide since May, sparked by concern that accelerated monetary tightening will crimp economic growth.

China’s plans to rein in prices include selling state food reserves, stabilizing the cost of natural gas and cracking down on speculation in and hoarding of agricultural products, the State Council said. The aim is to damp food inflation that reached 10 percent in October, more than twice the 4.4 percent headline rate.

At a food market in Beijing’s Deshengmennei Avenue, fruit- stand owner Wang Yanling says sales of apples have slumped from as much as 250 kilograms (551 pounds) a day a year ago to about 100 kilograms a day after prices soared more than 60 percent.

“People are buying less with prices jumping up,” said Wang. “It’s getting harder and harder to sell.”

McDonald’s Corp., the world’s largest restaurant chain, said Nov 17. that it increased prices for its burgers, drinks and snacks in China to offset costs.

“Quantitative easing in the U.S. puts China’s seat to the fire because it forces more inflationary pressure onto them,” said Diana Choyleva, a Hong Kong-based economist at Lombard Street Research Asia. “They cannot avoid what they need to do,” which is raise rates or let the yuan strengthen, she said.
 
"Quantitative easing in the U.S. puts China’s seat to the fire because it forces more inflationary pressure onto them,” said Diana Choyleva, a Hong Kong-based economist at Lombard Street Research Asia. “They cannot avoid what they need to do,” which is raise rates or let the yuan strengthen, she said.
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China has chosen to raise interest rate,it seems at this stage."

In an article in the official people daily,Guo Qingping, assistant governor of the People’s Bank of China (PBOC), the central bank,was quoted:

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90778/90859/7191057.html

"China will continue to steadily push forward reforms in its interest rate mechanism, the Shanghai Securities News reported Friday, citing Guo Qingping, assistant governor of the People’s Bank of China (PBOC), the central bank.

…He explained that in order to achieve that goal, China’s central bank will further strengthen and improve macro-control of its financial system and steadily promote the market-oriented interest rate reform. It will also promote reforms of larger commercial banks to establish a modern enterprise system, he added."

Repressed interest rates may indeed be the biggest source of China’s domestic imbalance, but they are also the biggest cause of rapid Chinese growth in the short term. Give up one and you must give up the other.

So the equation becomes interest rate reform or GDP growth,another difficult choice.

Li Ruogu, chairman of the Import-Export Bank of China,declared:

"He said a rapid rise in the yuan would cause massive job losses and Western nations would have to be ready to accept millions of Chinese immigrants."
 
Li Ruogu, chairman of the Import-Export Bank of China,declared:

"He said a rapid rise in the yuan would cause massive job losses and Western nations would have to be ready to accept millions of Chinese immigrants."
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exporting their internal problem overseas..OR -
Pass the monkey onto the western neck ?
:D
 
Just a very difficult economic choice,and I think the reason is that they listened too much to MM LKY from the start.

In short,MM LKY economic gospel is always

Foreign investment good,SOEs very good.

NOT TRUE!!!
 
Yeah obi-good! Time to let some of those PRCs feel the heat of inflation, thinking that they can arrogantly keep on exporting their cheap stuff to the world!!!
 
He said a rapid rise in the yuan would cause massive job losses and Western nations would have to be ready to accept millions of Chinese immigrants.

I would gladly aCCEPT them as long as they don ask for sky high salary !!! Drver is asking for $1000 for 8 hours of work here in Singapore. You think we can afford to hire them ?
 
Li Ruogu, chairman of the Import-Export Bank of China,declared:

"He said a rapid rise in the yuan would cause massive job losses and Western nations would have to be ready to accept millions of Chinese immigrants."
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exporting their internal problem overseas..OR -
Pass the monkey onto the western neck ?
:D

y how that li is expecting the rest of the world to feed his people?
 
Chinese Commie govt should increase interest by 5%. They got a chance to do it last weekend but they screwed it! It won't be long before they suffer hyperinflation.
 
He said a rapid rise in the yuan would cause massive job losses and Western nations would have to be ready to accept millions of Chinese immigrants.

I would gladly aCCEPT them as long as they don ask for sky high salary !!! Drver is asking for $1000 for 8 hours of work here in Singapore. You think we can afford to hire them ?

i think they are more worried about rebellion and violent uprising. chinese cannot immigrate by simply crossing borders by foot to western countries so i dont think the west is worried about mass immigration
 
Chinese Commie govt should increase interest by 5%. They got a chance to do it last weekend but they screwed it! It won't be long before they suffer hyperinflation.

If they do that, a few things will happen.

US$ will flood into China as they are close to zero interest rates back home, that will cause even more pressure on the yuan.

More people will default their housing loan and property market may tip over to the selling cycle and cause a irreversible crash.

More factory and company will close, relocate or scale down as wages have to move up, that will lead to unemployment and that will have a chain effect on the rest of the goods and services provider.

China's 8% GDP are not achieved in a way that it is not normal, Money are granted from the gov to provincial gov supposedly to stimulate the economy, So if you consider this as GDP, then GDP is not a good way to measure the health of a country's economy.

provincial gov also tender state land to property developer, something that our dear leader has been doing in the past 50 years, this actually drives up the property price, they started this back in the early 2000s, that is when we see the steady rise of property prices till where it stand now.
 
Waiting for Longbow's rebuttal



Li Ruogu, chairman of the Import-Export Bank of China,declared:

"He said a rapid rise in the yuan would cause massive job losses and Western nations would have to be ready to accept millions of Chinese immigrants."
Reply With Quote
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exporting their internal problem overseas..OR -
Pass the monkey onto the western neck ?
:D
 
Is he talking about civil war and collapse of Communist Party?
Or else what immigration he is talking about?
 
controlling inflation is actually very easy.

inflation = expansion of money supply.

if china has the political will and guts, just stop printing yuan!
 
China got no choice but to raise interest rate and valuation of its currency. Yes, it will cause massive unemployment but it will only affect 20% of the people who can always go back to farming. Hyperinflation , on the other hands will affect everyone in China especially in a country with high saving. The Commie govt of China has prosituted its own people to the western world , wasted it natural resource and cause irreversible damage to its environment that haunt them for generations. I am afraid China will be like Germany before 2nd world war.


If they do that, a few things will happen.

US$ will flood into China as they are close to zero interest rates back home, that will cause even more pressure on the yuan.

More people will default their housing loan and property market may tip over to the selling cycle and cause a irreversible crash.

More factory and company will close, relocate or scale down as wages have to move up, that will lead to unemployment and that will have a chain effect on the rest of the goods and services provider.

China's 8% GDP are not achieved in a way that it is not normal, Money are granted from the gov to provincial gov supposedly to stimulate the economy, So if you consider this as GDP, then GDP is not a good way to measure the health of a country's economy.

provincial gov also tender state land to property developer, something that our dear leader has been doing in the past 50 years, this actually drives up the property price, they started this back in the early 2000s, that is when we see the steady rise of property prices till where it stand now.
 
20% are the top tier earners, the massive 80% middle class and working class will be the one that they are worried about, Hyperinflation in the double digit range did happen before in China, as many as 6 times in the past since 1980s, 4 of them are very much cause by internal factors which they successfully curb but the last 2 is cause by external factors after they join WTO, so the solution will not be as simple as raising interest rate and the problem will goes away, they will have a hard time balancing the intervention from central bank.
Their economic model, which is mainly export orientated with low cost labor, propel them to one of the richest country in the world in terms of reserve, they now have one chance, to use that massive wealth, to transform the economy model or the inevitable decline will come hard and swift, Thanks to Mao, who promote "The more people the better we are" policy, is screwing the whole nation in long term, he do not have the foresight to see that it is impossible for the country to satisfy the resources that they will suck up, even the world and environment will feel it, like locus, they will consume everything along the path and eventually, prices will be driven up and only the rich can afford, then follow by unrest and riot, fall of the communist government and a disaster for the rest of world, time line will be 2-3 generations from now.

But can they make such drastic change in their economic model, the answer is unlikely, they still lack the soft power, just imagine BMW is being brought over by Geely, they lower the price by half, will a BMW buyer still but it?
Mostly they will switch to Audi. This soft power is something that takes time, China is still a country that still have cases of poison milk powder and toys, they may be cash rich but to catch up with developed country in terms of science and technology, human rights and basic human decency in terms of the whole population, they are still many years away.

So they will still have to reluctantly hang on to be the "Factory of the world" and relied on cheap labor, The Communist party also know they are running out of time as the workers are now demanding for more as inflation and housing is getting out of reach, it is very interesting to see how they juggle the chain saw.





China got no choice but to raise interest rate and valuation of its currency. Yes, it will cause massive unemployment but it will only affect 20% of the people who can always go back to farming. Hyperinflation , on the other hands will affect everyone in China especially in a country with high saving. The Commie govt of China has prosituted its own people to the western world , wasted it natural resource and cause irreversible damage to its environment that haunt them for generations. I am afraid China will be like Germany before 2nd world war.
 
China leader raises alarm.
20 December 2010

BEIJING — One of China’s top leaders said at a government meeting that measures needed to be taken to tamp down inflation in the coming year, according to a report on Friday by Xinhua, the state news agency. The comments were one of the clearest signs yet that Chinese leaders are increasingly concerned about popular resentment arising as a result of soaring living costs.

The leader, Li Keqiang, vice premier of China, said in comments made Thursday that “more efforts should be provided to stabilize prices next year.”

Mr. Li’s remarks were made at a work meeting in Beijing in which the State Council, China’s cabinet, discussed policies and goals of a five-year plan for development that will begin next year. Since the takeover of China by the Communist Party in 1949, the government has laid out its strategies for growth and development in five-year increments.

Mr. Li is expected to take over from Wen Jiabao as prime minister in 2012. The person holding that office usually oversees the economy.

On Wednesday, a prominent research organization, the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, reported that high inflation and soaring housing prices had contributed to a growing sense of popular disaffection. The findings of the report, based on a survey of 4,143 people, appeared in this year’s edition of the Blue Book of China’s Society.

Commodity prices were the main concern of urban residents, followed by health care and housing prices, according to the findings, which were reported by Xinhua on Thursday.
 
it's gonna pop when the two koreas go at it.

Sovereign default by China ?
The Telegraph.uk

China's credit bubble on borrowed time as inflation bites

The Royal Bank of Scotland has advised clients to take out protection against the risk of a sovereign default by China as one of its top trade trades for 2011. This is a new twist.


By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard 6:43PM GMT 15 Dec 2010

It warns that the Communist Party will have to puncture the credit bubble before inflation reaches levels that threaten social stability. This in turn may open a can of worms.
 
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