Now Singapore Airlines is forced to change Rolls-Royce engines on three superjumbos

[lee6100]

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Heard that F&N wass bought by the Japanese. is he still there

He must have gotten a platinum handshake from Singtel. Add the allowances from all these "advisory" positions he must be making quite alot of peanuts.

Oops, meant that MM LKY was on those advisory boards; yes, LHY still F & N Chairman.

 

[johnny333]

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Oops, meant that MM LKY was on those advisory boards; yes, LHY still F & N Chairman.

An honest mistake

With all the directorships & advisory positions the Lees hold it must be difficult to keep track.

When LKY dies his children will be set for life.

 

[lockeliberal]

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Dear Johnny

In which case lets not beat around the bush, Lufthansa with a similar engine to SIA A380 have decided to continue to fly the Air Bus 380 and have not taken a position on safety similar to Quantas..

Is is a PR issue yes, Is it a safety issue, No. I could name you any no of engine and system failure issues whereby planes and airlines have continued flying even as the issues which caused an incident at hand are investigated and studied thoroughly.

SQ 006 was totally unrelated to the incident at hand.



Locke

 

[johnny333]

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Dear Johnny

In which case lets not beat around the bush, Lufthansa with a similar engine to SIA A380 have decided to continue to fly the Air Bus 380 and have not taken a position on safety similar to Quantas..

Is is a PR issue yes, Is it a safety issue, No. I could name you any no of engine and system failure issues whereby planes and airlines have continued flying even as the issues which caused an incident at hand are investigated and studied thoroughly.

SQ 006 was totally unrelated to the incident at hand.

Locke

Why do you keep harping on what Lufthansa is doing
Even if what you say about Lufthansa is true, it still doesn't excuse SIA for poor judgement.

The issue as I see it is how SIA has responded compared to Qantas which has never lost an aircraft. In SIA's case profits came before concerns of passenger /crew safety.

The SQ 006 incident was a case of carelessness on the pilots part. The recent issue with the A380 shows that the management of SIA is just as cavalier with passenger/crew safety. Both cases reflect poorly on SIA.

 

[kingrant]

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It seems you dont know how to differentiate between issues..A TV is diff from an aircraft engine.

It's the same inanity that makes you can't diff between ISA and CLTP.

Not true lah. Even the car or TV that you buy has warranty for at least one year, or even extended warranty. If your car is under warranty, it's good to have the parts replaced - like having a new engine in your car.

SIA being such a big and careful company and customers of Boeing, Airbus and Rolls Royce, is sure to have all sorts of warranty and insurance. Temasek Holding being Government owned ensure as many safeguards are in placed.

 

[Windsor]

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Simple, I don't know how Lufthansa has handled the affair.

However we all know how SIA has handled the situation compared to Qantas. This is an airlines which claims to be world class.

Why are you making excuses for SIA?
If SIA has another incident like what happened in Taiwan, it's not going to help them.

Your posts says a lot of bad things about SIA and perhaps you should substantiate your comments with some facts. You state, "However in Spore we are all more familiar with SIA & the various problems with this airlines. Have personally flown economy and business." I doubt this as not many are "familiar with SIA & the various problems." What are these various problems?

As to how they handled the situation, Qantas is not SIA or Lufthansa. Each are separate entities and one cannot compare apples and oranges. Being in the airline maintenance business, I can say with confidence that SIA's Maintenance and Production Control is much better than most major airlines.

 

[scroobal]

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Maybe you can explain why Qantas who are full of "lazy and laid back" australians found the oil leak while Singapore Airlines with a highly competent "maintenance and production control" team who work long hours took a few days longer to find the same.

I hope this question is about apples and apples - similar engines.

As to how they handled the situation, Qantas is not SIA or Lufthansa. Each are separate entities and one cannot compare apples and oranges. Being in the airline maintenance business, I can say with confidence that SIA's Maintenance and Production Control is much better than most major airlines.

 

[scroobal]

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Here is same problem.

DATE:10/08/10
SOURCE:Air Transport Intelligence newsLufthansa details engine shutdown on brand-new A380
By David Kaminski-Morrow


Lufthansa has disclosed that its second Airbus A380 has undergone an in-flight engine shutdown just a couple of days after entering into service.

The aircraft, powered by Rolls-Royce Trent 900 engines, was delivered on 19 July and put into service last week on the Frankfurt-Tokyo route.

Lufthansa says that the aircraft was flying the return sector on 6 August when, about an hour before landing at Frankfurt, the crew took a "precautionary" decision to shut the engine down.

A spokesman for the airline says the decision followed the generation of "confusing numbers" on a cockpit indicator.

The indicator showed that the problem centred on oil pressure. Lufthansa's main A380 maintenance base is located at Frankfurt, and the aircraft - serial number 41 - underwent an engine change in order to return it to service as quickly as possible.

Inspection revealed "substances" in the filter but Lufthansa has not given further details. The company had a spare engine available and the aircraft went back into service on 7 August.

Both of the carrier's A380s are operating the Tokyo Narita route, providing a daily service to the Japanese capital from Frankfurt.

Dear Johnny

Is is a PR issue yes, Is it a safety issue, No. I could name you any no of engine and system failure issues whereby planes and airlines have continued flying even as the issues which caused an incident at hand are investigated and studied thoroughly.



Locke

 

[scroobal]

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By the way, that's our resident idiot. On a slow day, he does contribute.

It seems you dont know how to differentiate between issues..A TV is diff from an aircraft engine.

It's the same inanity that makes you can't diff between ISA and CLTP.

 

[johnny333]

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Your posts says a lot of bad things about SIA and perhaps you should substantiate your comments with some facts. .....

This thread is about the engine issue & how SIA responded to it.
If you want to find out about the other issues just go through this forum & you'll find plenty of threads on SIA.

My views are supported by many people who have flown SIA for years. It's about the declining standards in SIA. Don't take my word for it, go check the Skytrax surveys. The very same survey which our media uses whenever SIA gets the number 1 position.

 

[Windsor]

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Maybe you can explain why Qantas who are full of "lazy and laid back" australians found the oil leak while Singapore Airlines with a highly competent "maintenance and production control" team who work long hours took a few days longer to find the same.

I hope this question is about apples and apples - similar engines.

Reference to apples and oranges applies to the different companies and how they managed their business and not to aircraft or engines.

As to the Aussies, no mention from my post about them being lazy and laid back. I think it is unbecoming to make that sort of uncalled for remarks. Anyway, they had their engine blowout and immediately proceed to ground and check their engines, which is pretty normal procedure for an airline. That they initiated this would obviously be the reason for being the first to discover the leaks. SIA on the other hand work hand in hand with RR as being their launch customer plus a JV in the form of an engine maintenance and repair facility in Singapore. No doubt those RR guys in Singapore may be involved with the Qantas inspection. This is my personal opinion only.

The RR experts are working worldwide and this incident involves all operators of the engines. It is not a problem only for Qantas, but the RR manufacturer and customers. When such an incident happen, be rest assured that it is not a contained problem for Qantas but all operators too. This will also involve all local and international civil aviation authorities. As human lives are at stake here, this is a normal happening in the aviation industry in the free world.

 

[Windsor]

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Exactly, so who brought the subject of other issues here? Certainly not from me, so let's talk engines and nothing else.

And again you talk about declining standards when we are discussing engines? Are you referring to declining standards in engine maintenance?

This thread is about the engine issue & how SIA responded to it.
If you want to find out about the other issues just go through this forum & you'll find plenty of threads on SIA.

My views are supported by many people who have flown SIA for years. It's about the declining standards in SIA. Don't take my word for it, go check the Skytrax surveys. The very same survey which our media uses whenever SIA gets the number 1 position.

 

[scroobal]

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The question is very simple. How come SIA did not find the oil leaks before Qantas? Lets not go gallivanting and write long stories and evade the issue.

Reference to apples and oranges applies to the different companies and how they managed their business and not to aircraft or engines.

 

[zuoom]

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hmm, are the guys here equipped n trained to do a full complete strip down of the engine?

are these massive stuff are "closed" to the operator?

 

[Windsor]

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The question is very simple. How come SIA did not find the oil leaks before Qantas? Lets not go gallivanting and write long stories and evade the issue.

I don't understand the finger pointing nor harsh words like evade, gallivanting, but to provide some info, aircraft go thru' a series of checks (maintenance checks) throughout their operating life. In this case it is not the aircraft but the powerplants which are replaced after a certain number of operating hours. It is unusual to take down any engines before their maintenance cycle has been completed for thorough inspection unless there is a directive from the manufacturer.

If there are no directives either from the manufacturer or from the airworthiness authorities, and there are no reports of problems experienced by the flight crew, there is no reason to bring down the engine to the workshop. Sorry but there is no simple one statement answer to your question.

One can also reason that should an aircraft suffer a major incident or crashed, no airline will immediately stop their own similar aircraft/engine from operation. Furthermore, these aircraft/engines has been operating for a few years. Not only RR but P&W and GE too has their share of problems. As a matter of fact, these problems, minor or major, the layman normally will never hear of this. Another point, hundreds of directives are send out to the airline industry every year to do rectifications, modifications and replace/repair the aircraft and engines. All these unknowable by us.

 

[Windsor]

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hmm, are the guys here equipped n trained to do a full complete strip down of the engine?

are these massive stuff are "closed" to the operator?

By operator you mean SIA? For routine checks, it will be SIA, and everything else to SIA Engineering Company Facility that can overhaul the RR engines.

 

[johnny333]

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Exactly, so who brought the subject of other issues here? Certainly not from me, so let's talk engines and nothing else.

And again you talk about declining standards when we are discussing engines? Are you referring to declining standards in engine maintenance?

It's obvious that you are here to make excuses for SIA.

People with blind loyalty have ruined the "Spore brand". Damage has been done & I'm sure many will now think twice before flying SIA.

 

[johnny333]

Re: Now Singapore Airlines is forced to change Rolls-Royce engines on three superjumb

Exactly, so who brought the subject of other issues here? Certainly not from me, so let's talk engines and nothing else.

And again you talk about declining standards when we are discussing engines? Are you referring to declining standards in engine maintenance?

Yes I brought up the other problems that SIA is facing but you'll notice that I left it at that without going into the details. My point is standards at SIA have fallen & I'm not the only one to have noticed this.

If you are really interested in the details, you should look up for those threads & respond accordingly, or start your own thread.

Seems to me that you are more interested in defending SIA. I think this blind loyalty to SIA is misplaced because it has contributed to SIA's falling standards.

 

[Windsor]

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It's obvious that you are here to make excuses for SIA.

People with blind loyalty have ruined the "Spore brand". Damage has been done & I'm sure many will now think twice before flying SIA.

I have nothing to do with SIA nor have an agenda. There is a misrepresentation of facts that needed clarification. SIA is a big orgainsation and has many groups each with a differing roles within the organisation. Engineering too has many sub-divisions and in this case just to make it simple, the aircraft itself and powerplants which by itself, both has different departments. In this respect, here in this discussion is about the performance of the people in SIA Engineering. One just cannot shoot from the hip and blame SIA Engineering about other problems within the SIA Organisation which has nothing to do with the subject. Again I stressed we are not discussing the whole of SIA nor SIA Engineering but those who are involved with the RR engines, including the RR personnel themselves.

 

[Windsor]

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Yes I brought up the other problems that SIA is facing but you'll notice that I left it at that without going into the details. My point is standards at SIA have fallen & I'm not the only one to have noticed this.

If you are really interested in the details, you should look up for those threads & respond accordingly, or start your own thread.

Seems to me that you are more interested in defending SIA. I think this blind loyalty to SIA is misplaced because it has contributed to SIA's falling standards.

I am not interested in details except to ask you to elaborate. So what you are saying is that because of SIA's "declining standards" the problems of the RR engines is due to those reasons? I take it that suppose there is bad service provided by the inflight crew, we should blame SIA for the declining standards of SIA Engineering? This then stretches the blame game too far, right?

What the SIA does and the reaction of public towards that has nothing to do with the work and performance of SIA Engineering.

There is no blind loyalty on my part as you accuse me of, as I am not part of SIA nor has any interest or love for them. I am just trying to put things in perspective without being rude or mentioning anything that has nothing to do with this discussion.