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The Bitter Truth about the FT policy
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I ever ponder about this question and I think its due to singapore being a developing nation then and being a developed nation now.
With more education, people will think differently and want the best for themselves.
Heard that Malaysian workers who have been working in Spore for years are getting the same treatment as the locals i.e. they are being retrenched & replaced by cheaper PRC & Indians
It's not a healthy environement for future generations of Sporeans. I don't see how Sporeans are going to survive in such an environment as long as the PAP is in power.
Heard that Malaysian workers who have been working in Spore for years are getting the same treatment as the locals i.e. they are being retrenched & replaced by cheaper PRC & Indians
It's not a healthy environement for future generations of Sporeans. I don't see how Sporeans are going to survive in such an environment as long as the PAP is in power.
There are 2 sides to a coin. It's true that many locals are shun because of hiring PRCs & Indians. But its also true that there are many jobs that locals do not want to take up due to the nature of the job.
Yes ... that is absolutely correct.
I wrote clearly that there is NO solution to the problem. The economic restructuring will proceed and we can expect wages to stagnate and slide. The only thing that can be done are policies to mitigate the pain of the economic adjustment.
The recent PAP policies have made the problem much worse and Singapore can expect difficult days ahead. By now, everyone should know that unless you are PAP Minister with performance bonus pegged to GDP, those imigation inflated double digit GDP growth numbers have very little correlation to the standard of living for the average Singaporean.
what twisted theory you have. then i will challenge the leader who has this kind of mindset! :oIo:
The F&B industry in Singapore has one of the worst track records of foreign labour exploitation.
In the 70s and 80s, most F&B enterprises were small mom and pop affairs. The owners often worked 10-14 hour days with their Singaporean workers.
These days, all the owners want to be tycoons. They want to run a chain of outlets, manned by an army of foreign workers who work 12-14 hour days at exploitation level wages.
In managing the FT policy, I am at a complete loss as to why MOM views the FB industry as a key strategic industry which necessiates allowing such a large number of foreigners to work in this industry.
Could you explain how GDP figures can be inflated ?
Does GDP mean total output [including contributions by FTs] divided by total population [excluding FTs and PRs] ?
The GDP growth just measures how much output has increased. It does not take into account how much population has grown.
If you want to take into account population growth, you have to look at per capita GDP. They publish this number but don't usually draw attention to it as it doesn't look very good.
From what I heard the Malaysians were replaced by other foreigners who were even cheaper i.e. PRC chinese It was not about unwillingness to work or job performance, but simple case of cheaper alternatives.
The Malaysians were among the 1st wave of foreigners to work in Spore and like locals they are being discarded by the PAP in favour of cheaper PRC, filipinos,.....
Time for Sporeans to show the PAP the unemployment line. It's become a choice between "us" vs "them". You may think that as a boss your goals are aligned with the PAP's but if the consumers are being over taxed what do you think will happen to your business
Actually there is. I can think of one example. I always look at New york City and wonder why despite the high cost of living, NYorkers found life sustainable, then I look at what they are famous for and what they do best, their USP - unique selling point. Advertising is one business, and I am talking not just advertising per se, but what goes into making advertising and things like that mega business. I'm talking about creativity in graphic design etc and that's something the PRCs and Indians are far behind for now.
Businesses pay big bucks to advertise, and creative advertising helps businesses attract customers and win sales.
Singapore has an advantage over the PRCs as far as command of the English language is concerned, as long as we don't slip into Singlish or lose it. It enables S'pore to connect to the English-speaking world, which China is also fast trying to do. But the Chinese are unashamed copycats.
This biz pays well, because the Value Add is tremendous. There can be endless knock-on effects. Such businesses dont need cheap foreigners who only can copy when they can pay creative people high paychecks. NYC is one global super city humming with creative ideas from newsprint to books to financial derivatives. Can we create? can we think after 50 years of PAP rule?
Businesses pay big bucks to advertise, and creative advertising helps businesses attract customers and win sales.
Singapore has an advantage over the PRCs as far as command of the English language is concerned, as long as we don't slip into Singlish or lose it. It enables S'pore to connect to the English-speaking world, which China is also fast trying to do. But the Chinese are unashamed copycats.
This biz pays well, because the Value Add is tremendous. There can be endless knock-on effects. Such businesses dont need cheap foreigners who only can copy when they can pay creative people high paychecks. NYC is one global super city humming with creative ideas from newsprint to books to financial derivatives. Can we create? can we think after 50 years of PAP rule?
Film animation is another game changer but Singapore is already a latecomer.
I understand from people in the industry that people who can draw from a blank sheet are rare and these artistic talents command a premium in paycheck. These people draw the basic skeletal cartoon models.
Then these are sent to India where cheap labour there copy by hand stroke by stroke, frame by frame, thousands of frames, to get the complete reel to get the motion effect.
Do we want to / can we aspire to be the artists and not the copiers?
I understand from people in the industry that people who can draw from a blank sheet are rare and these artistic talents command a premium in paycheck. These people draw the basic skeletal cartoon models.
Then these are sent to India where cheap labour there copy by hand stroke by stroke, frame by frame, thousands of frames, to get the complete reel to get the motion effect.
Do we want to / can we aspire to be the artists and not the copiers?
Without a vibrant F&B industry, what do you want people to spend on? Do you expect tourists to eat at hawker centres? Even hawkers are working long hours.
In Thailand, famous MK steamboat restaurants super chain. Each waitress is paid 6000-7000baht per month. That relates to about $600 for them in terms of spending in singapore. In changing to sgd, its about $200+. Working hours are as long as food restaurants in singapore. But the difference is many local thais are willing to take up such jobs at such a salary because they needed it for their family and it earns more than doing nothing.
There is nothing wrong with people who wants an easier life an easier job and expecting high salary, but they need to find the right career which meets their expectations. Sadly, food industry does not fall into the right career for them.
You need to know the dynamics of running a food eatery and the overheads to be able to judge why people have to turn to foreign labour. Do you want to be a kitchen helper washing dishes? How much would you expect yourself to be paid if you are washing dishes?
In the F&B industry, every year 1/3 of them will close down. This sounds like a good statistic. 66% survival. But another 1/3 are not making money and losing money and still plugging the holes. Only 1/3 can see some money being made.
Now is year 2010, exactly 30-40 yrs difference comparing with the 70s and 80s. Rentals, Salaries, Overheads.
Look at how everyone is clamouring for increase in salary. Salary can be increased but people are not willing to compromise in working long hours. Eventually, salary increased, hours still short and yet have to find additional help to fill up the hours shortfall because of locals who are not willing to work long hours.
Look at foreigners who come tell you in the face, " can I work 10 hours instead of 6 hours? I need more money for my family. "
F&B is not the worst. What I quoted is just 1 example.
Look at the construction industry? Without these foreigners to build HDB flats, you think locals want to be construction workers under the scorching sun?
Another example is LTA, look at all the roadworks, filling up of roads, digging canals, Locals want to be part of such a workforce?
Rubbish collection, who wants to work in a garbage industry collecting garbage everyday?
Foreigners are filling up jobs which locals do not want to take up at all.
From what I heard the Malaysians were replaced by other foreigners who were even cheaper i.e. PRC chinese It was not about unwillingness to work or job performance, but simple case of cheaper alternatives.
The Malaysians were among the 1st wave of foreigners to work in Spore and like locals they are being discarded by the PAP in favour of cheaper PRC, filipinos,.....
Time for Sporeans to show the PAP the unemployment line. It's become a choice between "us" vs "them". You may think that as a boss your goals are aligned with the PAP's but if the consumers are being over taxed what do you think will happen to your business
I started off food business as 1 of my sideline and employing of staff is the no.1 issue in giving the most problems. I closed down the business not because of poor business.No1 reason, because rental is something that cannot be compromised with landlord. No2 there must be certain local headcount in order to employ foreign workers. Manpower is the one that took out the most and receipts collected end of the day are barely enough to cover. 1 person's job need to find 2 people to do because of their unwillingness to work long hours.
Malaysians are still needed in key areas. 1 thing is Malaysians are better chefs than PRCs.
It is very hard for an employer to align with his employees in terms of goals. Employer wants to see profit not losses. Employees want to see more pay, less working hours. It's a chain. If an employer does not see profit, he will just close the business. Employees can start to find other jobs.
Are brainwashed dumbfuck Singaporeons aware of the norm of $4.50 per hour on part time basis employment as standard remuneration available? And the amount of CPF contributions saved by employers? And this, we are talking about concessions made to local born, NS served Singaporeons and their wives, mothers and sisters. Don't want? They have China, Indian, Phillipino and other thrash queuing at the doors.
This is the Swiss standard of living promised by Goh Chok Tong. Fuck you Goh! Your father residing in Hell would be real proud of you. Your Marine Parade proper constituents thank you for their $450,000 value 3-room upgraded flats. Your next election win is as sure as the Sun rising in the East tomorrow. Fuck you!
This is the Swiss standard of living promised by Goh Chok Tong. Fuck you Goh! Your father residing in Hell would be real proud of you. Your Marine Parade proper constituents thank you for their $450,000 value 3-room upgraded flats. Your next election win is as sure as the Sun rising in the East tomorrow. Fuck you!
Sorry but these seem to be very feeble reasons for why the F&B industry is a strategic industry in Singapore. The large number of eateries in Singapore and the ever increasing rentals suggest that despite the high attrition rate, it is a very lucrative business in Singapore. Unfortunately the large profits are earned by exploting foreign workers who are expected to work in conditions similar to the turn of the century slave labour.
Let's be realistic here. Singapore is NOT New York. We are also NOT Silicon Vally, NOT London and NOT even Shanghai.
it is only PAP Ministers with delusions of grandeur who think we are some sort of mighty global player. This thinking has infected many Singaporeans into thinking that somehow Sinaporeans are special and deserve to be forever richer/better than people from India, China etc.
The reality is that we are a small city of no great global consequence. In the past, we thrived because of a set of unique geopolitical, economic circumstances. Those circumstances no longer exist. Instead we now have a new set of circumstances that are hostile to our continued prosperity. Adding to that is that we have had a weak government for the past 10 years who has made many policy errors which have compounded our problems.
The one ray of hope is that in the past, the PAP had used repressive tactics to silence crtics and stay in power. For this election, there seem to be hints that dirty tactics will not be used and that it will be a relatively fair election. The PAP has also indirectly admitted to some of the mistakes and appear prepared to take the bitter medicine to correct these mistakes.
We all want to put food on the table but the PAP has become too greedy, they are only interestede in becoming millionaires
It is interesting that in Malaysia the small businesses is thriving whereas in Spore we have "problems. Having talked spoken to some taxi drivers in KL, who have worked as ex-sbs bus drivers, they tell me it is better to be a taxi driver in KL than to drive in Spore
I still remember the old days when Spore's small businesses thrived. I bet if we take the PAP out of the equation many small businesses will thrive, but Sporeans are too selfish to think of the future. They will only act if they are personally be affected directly before they decide to act against the PAP. So we have the current sad state of affairs :(
Lunch hour at 12pm. Dinner ends at 9pm. Plus cleaning up. I hope to see the day when restaurants open at 1pm and close at 9pm sharp. Saturday Sundays closed.
I should ask my chef do either lunch hours or dinner. 2 kinds of standard.
You think food industry is like office work 9am start 5pm finish?
It's so easy for you to say exploiting manpower. Try telling that to all those who open food eateries and ask them how much is their rent and salaries to pay.
Shared profits everyone also want. Shared losses anyone wants to share
The young in singapore are not used to hardships. Want clean job. Want high pay, want no responsibilities. Want many off days, leaves. Want aircon. Who would want to stay in a kitchen for long hours? The Malaysians are hungry for money.
Govt wants everyone to have basic education. This is good for everyone. But let me ask a simple question. 15yrs down the road, everyone is educated, is there anyone who wants to be a dishwasher? Anyone wants to be a toilet cleaner? Any singaporeans? You want to do? Will you do?
I can tell you 1st, I don't want:o
With a more refined and defined education system, you could have used poly or uni students on part time basis to fill in the gaps.
You could also hire cleaners separately so that your workers can leave early. You hire waiters and cooks and suddenly they're supposed to be Bangla cleaners too? Many fast food stores hire part times cleaners to come in at the end of the day to do the cleaning. You are really a cheapskate. You should try selling frozen dinners as there is less cleaning and no cooking to be done.
High rents, you go and comprain to your PAP garment and their kakis who own most of the land in Singapore.
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