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[jw5]

People in this forum are frustrated, unhappy, disappointed or upset over various things, ranging from the government, (well, mostly the government), overcrowding, fake foreign talent, scamsters, fellow samsters, sam himself, telemarketers, charity salesmen, social injustice, gangsters (in and out of this forum), etc etc.

But while we always complain that the goverment officials and civil servants are great at stating the obvious, making motherhood statements, giving lame excuses, parroting the words of "important" people, what are we doing or what have we done about these things that concern us, other than just venting here?

People in this forum are mostly antipappy, but I can tell you from some discreet and not-so-discreet questions asked of friends, relatives, acquaintances, colleagues and business associates, that many others are happy with pappy. Mostly women and new citizens and PRs are happy. Most of those with families and financially well off are happy, or may not be that happy, but are unwilling to express or vote against them for fear of rocking the boat. Mainly only single younger men tend to be more expressive and antipappy.

So all these words here, how do they change anything, when their actual support is so overwhelming?
What are you doing or what have you done to do something about it? Or are we just a bunch of NATO guys?

One of my pet peeves for example is lack of justice in society, eg. people who cut queues, or who show inconsiderate behaviour in public.
I'm doing something about it, including telling people off, using something (usually an umbrella these days) to block off people, or even snatching things from them. e.g. nail cutters on public transport.
Well aware that I'm crossing the line, but at least I'm not NATO.

 

[darthboy]

How many here actually bother to learn how the money system works? Considering that "money" is the backbone of pretty much everything, one would do well to read up on that. Sadly, when I tried to post clues regarding housing loans, no one responded.

When a person allows himself to be re-presented by a lawyer, MP, banker etc etc, he agrees that his re-presentative lives his life for him and makes all the decisions. Deference to authority is fatal.

I can only conclude that Singaporeans are satisfied with how things work. The unaware are unaware that they are unaware (of how the money system really works).

 

[darthboy]

btw, I was from the banking and finance sector. If people knew what the terms and conditions meant, there would be a revolt the very next day. Even within the banks, you'll have a hard time finding someone who knows how things really work. Smart enough to get the job done, not smart enough to ask pressing questions.

No one seems to notice, no one seems to care. I shall deem that to be Singaporeans' acquiescence to the status quo. No protests mean...the bankers are right!

 

[silverfox@]

People in this forum are frustrated, unhappy, disappointed or upset over various things, ranging from the government, (well, mostly the government), overcrowding, fake foreign talent, scamsters, fellow samsters, sam himself, telemarketers, charity salesmen, social injustice, gangsters (in and out of this forum), etc etc.

But while we always complain that the goverment officials and civil servants are great at stating the obvious, making motherhood statements, giving lame excuses, parroting the words of "important" people, what are we doing or what have we done about these things that concern us, other than just venting here?

It would be good if we can look at the bigger picture or I would say bigger issues. The small issues will just make everyone more unhappy.

However I would say that recently MM lee's comments on singapore should have just 1 bank, I wonder did he went for his annual medical checkup. Because after his comments, DBS/POSB went systems down. I am not sure whether that was done on purpose to prove to him that 1 bank is not a possible idea and neither should it even be suggested in the 1st place.

The other would be the Flood issue, where even Mother Nature wanted to prove that 1 time in 50 years is not going to be fulfilled where they strike the same time thrice The govt is complacent. The govt scholars did not study mother nature. or even if they did, they did not plan further enough on increased sea levels and natural storms around the region. Like opera estate was a flood zone many years ago, new canals widened and they think that the flood would disappear and not again the same thing happened after rainfall for 2 hours. 5,6 years back even if there is rainfall for 2-3 days consecutively, there would not be floods as serious as that.

This year, there was a lot of effort by the govt to improve the financial part of singapore but I think they are neglecting the part on inflation and welfare for the singapore citizens.

 

[darthboy]

Why would the government bother about you?

When you voted, you agreed, whether you knew it or not, that the MP shall make all decisions on your behalf.

When you engage a lawyer, you agreed, whether you knew it or not, that the judge shall talk to your lawyer and ignore you.

 

[myfoot123]

People in this forum are frustrated, unhappy, disappointed or upset over various things, ranging from the government, (well, mostly the government), overcrowding, fake foreign talent, scamsters, fellow samsters, sam himself, telemarketers, charity salesmen, social injustice, gangsters (in and out of this forum), etc etc.

But while we always complain that the goverment officials and civil servants are great at stating the obvious, making motherhood statements, giving lame excuses, parroting the words of "important" people, what are we doing or what have we done about these things that concern us, other than just venting here?

People in this forum are mostly antipappy, but I can tell you from some discreet and not-so-discreet questions asked of friends, relatives, acquaintances, colleagues and business associates, that many others are happy with pappy. Mostly women and new citizens and PRs are happy. Most of those with families and financially well off are happy, or may not be that happy, but are unwilling to express or vote against them for fear of rocking the boat. Mainly only single younger men tend to be more expressive and antipappy.

So all these words here, how do they change anything, when their actual support is so overwhelming?
What are you doing or what have you done to do something about it? Or are we just a bunch of NATO guys?

One of my pet peeves for example is lack of justice in society, eg. people who cut queues, or who show inconsiderate behaviour in public.
I'm doing something about it, including telling people off, using something (usually an umbrella these days) to block off people, or even snatching things from them. e.g. nail cutters on public transport.
Well aware that I'm crossing the line, but at least I'm not NATO.

I tell you what I did.

I introduced all anti-pap bloggers/forums to my friends and everyone I knew who can surf the internet.

I chat with taxi driver.


I discussed political issues with my colleagues and at times with bosses.

I buy those alternative party political books and presented them as gift to my friends birthday. It is so easy to give them such things when we run out of idea what to buy.

I participated in forum and blogs discussions

I extended my friendly hands to any alternative parties that I bumped into.

If I have some spare cash, I donate to the alternative parties. Even $10 mean a lot to them to help us. It is a small investment worth paying for.

I rejected pap doggies when they turned up at my doorstep asking me for assistant to Po Lan Pah their masters.

I made regular complain to PAP doggies whenever they failed my expectation to do a good job that affected me.

I will not participate in any pappy event like YOG, NDP, and all other events organised by PA, CCC and RC because these establishments do not represent Singapore. They are just tools exploited by PAPpy and I do not wish to sell my soul to be part of such slavery event to betray the people.

Ulimately, I will still vote for alternative parties. Just like PAP vote for foreigners instead of Singaporeans.

 

[jw5]

How many here actually bother to learn how the money system works? Considering that "money" is the backbone of pretty much everything, one would do well to read up on that. Sadly, when I tried to post clues regarding housing loans, no one responded.

When a person allows himself to be re-presented by a lawyer, MP, banker etc etc, he agrees that his re-presentative lives his life for him and makes all the decisions. Deference to authority is fatal.

I can only conclude that Singaporeans are satisfied with how things work. The unaware are unaware that they are unaware (of how the money system really works).

It's true that most Singaporeans are very deferential to authority. A large part of this can be attributed to having the same government, same style of government and same people in power over the years, hence another LKY "achievement".

When deferential people meet people in authority like bankers and lawyers and ministars, they tend to listen and accept their words and actions without question. This is actually very bad in terms of personal and country development.

As for why people didn't respond to your posts, there are mainly 2 reasons. The first is that they are not interested in what you said, the second is that they may be interested but just don't know how or what to respond or they agree with what you say and don't see a need to respond. It's seldom anything to do with the way you write or the content of your post.

 

[jw5]

I tell you what I did.


Ulimately, I will still vote for alternative parties. Just like PAP vote for foreigners instead of Singaporeans.

Hahaha Bro.
Having encountered you way back in sam's delphi forum, I could have guessed that you would reply with a list of things you have done and continue to do. Kudos to you for that.

I wrote in another thread of someone in UK who told a friend that he would invite the candidate of the party he didn't support into his house. Whereas he would usher the candidate of the party he supported away. Reason? To waste the time of the candidate he didn't support and allow his preferred candidate more time to canvass for other votes. Different strokes for different folks, I suppose. I would probably choose your method too.

As for your list, I do most of them too, except that I don't chat with taxi drivers deliberately about politics and I won't donate until they prove they care for the ordinary singaporeans more than the pappies, which is actually not difficult.

 

[jw5]

It would be good if we can look at the bigger picture or I would say bigger issues. The small issues will just make everyone more unhappy.

However I would say that recently MM lee's comments on singapore should have just 1 bank, I wonder did he went for his annual medical checkup. Because after his comments, DBS/POSB went systems down. I am not sure whether that was done on purpose to prove to him that 1 bank is not a possible idea and neither should it even be suggested in the 1st place.

The other would be the Flood issue, where even Mother Nature wanted to prove that 1 time in 50 years is not going to be fulfilled where they strike the same time thrice The govt is complacent. The govt scholars did not study mother nature. or even if they did, they did not plan further enough on increased sea levels and natural storms around the region. Like opera estate was a flood zone many years ago, new canals widened and they think that the flood would disappear and not again the same thing happened after rainfall for 2 hours. 5,6 years back even if there is rainfall for 2-3 days consecutively, there would not be floods as serious as that.

This year, there was a lot of effort by the govt to improve the financial part of singapore but I think they are neglecting the part on inflation and welfare for the singapore citizens.

Good points bro silverfox.

I'm quite sure that the recent bank problem was not to prove him wrong. The stakes for everyone are much too high for that. But funny thing is that it DID show that he was wrong. Like many other policies recent and current, they have lost sight of the objective of government and the running of a country. The purpose of having banks or a bank is not for that one bank to be big enough to make acquisitions and inroads all over the world, to make the country richer. The purpose is to have a sound and stable financial system for the improvement and convenience of the country's people and businesses.

The flood issue is another classic case of how they have lost touch with the ordinary people. Even if mother nature played a part, is the best that they can offer that it's an act of god and no amount of engineering can prevent it? Surely it's the job and responsibility of the government, huge pay or not, to improve the infrastructure of the country and the lives of the people, and take whatever measures and precautions necessary. Can you imagine Hu Jintao or Wen Jiabao reacting to the floods in China like that?

Last but not least, we know that they run SG like SG Inc, a company where they consider themselves the top management and shareholders. The objective is to create value for the shareholders and reward the management for a self-appraised job well done, whereas the employees are left to worry about higher prices of food in the staff canteen or even the potential loss of their jobs and deterioration of their well being.

 

[rodent2005]

Why would the government bother about you?

When you voted, you agreed, whether you knew it or not, that the MP shall make all decisions on your behalf.

When you engage a lawyer, you agreed, whether you knew it or not, that the judge shall talk to your lawyer and ignore you.

This is crap. Truely democratic countries remove their PM, ministers and even the whole government AT ANY TIME if the electorate are not happy with their performance.

If you hire a lawyer, he must explain everything to you and be accountable to you. If you are not happy with your lawyer, you have the right to remove him any time.

You never write blank cheques to anyone. In fact, this is not the truth in other countries. The PAP would want Sinkees to believe that the citizens must give up their rights to the PAP. This is not true in truely democratic countries.

 

[darthboy]

It's true that most Singaporeans are very deferential to authority. A large part of this can be attributed to having the same government, same style of government and same people in power over the years, hence another LKY "achievement".

When deferential people meet people in authority like bankers and lawyers and ministars, they tend to listen and accept their words and actions without question. This is actually very bad in terms of personal and country development.

As for why people didn't respond to your posts, there are mainly 2 reasons. The first is that they are not interested in what you said, the second is that they may be interested but just don't know how or what to respond or they agree with what you say and don't see a need to respond. It's seldom anything to do with the way you write or the content of your post.

Thank you for your comments. I shall give a few hints in exchange.

After a mortgagor is done signing hundreds of forms for a property purchase, what happens to all that paperwork? When the mortgagor does not care where all the paperwork is, how is anyone else going to help when the mortgagor complains of tough repayments? The mortgagor wishes to leave it all to the "experts" like bankers, HDB and lawyers. I can only agree with him if that's how he wants it. I can only agree with HDB/banker when they pull the house from underneath his feet.

The government has already provided all the information one needs to save himself. Registering the birth of your child? Blindly filling in the registration form(s) without reading the REGISTRATION OF BIRTHS AND DEATHS ACT? Go on, read the Act.

No opposition politician is going to touch those topics with a 60 ft pole. You either research it yourself, or the government will railroad you. It isn't enough to wonder why the government can do this and that, you must find out the reasons behind their actions. And the reasons, unfortunately, they don't even bother to hide them from you.

 

[darthboy]

This is crap. Truely democratic countries remove their PM, ministers and even the whole government AT ANY TIME if the electorate are not happy with their performance.

If you hire a lawyer, he must explain everything to you and be accountable to you. If you are not happy with your lawyer, you have the right to remove him any time.

You never write blank cheques to anyone. In fact, this is not the truth in other countries. The PAP would want Sinkees to believe that the citizens must give up their rights to the PAP. This is not true in truely democratic countries.

What democracy? As you most likely already know, the Singapore government, PM, ministers have not been removed. Therefore, their performance must be satisfactory.

He "must" explain everything to you? "Must"? Who has control over his BAR licence? You? Ever read Business Law 101?

I never mentioned a blank cheque, so I can only conclude that point is not related to any of my comments.

 

[Subok]

Ulimately, I will still vote for alternative parties. Just like PAP vote for foreigners instead of Singaporeans.

Bro, your last statement cuts my heart through like a double edged dagger. A government from the people, by the people BUT for OTHER PEOPLE above former own people.....

2nd Class Citizenry for born, thorough bred Singaporeans
1st class for imported, half baked outsiders....

I believe Singaporeans are charitable by nature. We welcome guests to dine with us at our table, but when our tables become theirs.. our houses become theirs.. our jobs become theirs... the guests had overstayed their welcome. Because soon this roof ever tumbles, guest who will still be standing supporting it while the guests had their own maternal home to return to.

I can understand if Singaporeans do not like cleaning jobs or low pay factory jobs or low pay service jobs, I can even empathize if we cannot find CEOs of high caliber to bring our companies to greater heights, I can even lobby the need for fine world class doctors/scientist/learned professors to be on our shore, but what I cannot understand and comprehend is many of our middle management jobs, managers, assistant engineers/engineers, graduate positions, high school positions, are now staffed with foreign imports..... just simply they are cheaper.....

100,000 FTs support at least another 200,000 back their homeland. Yet with their presence, at least 50,000 of our own will be squeezed out of our already burdened transport system, another 20,000 of our own will be squeezed out of Orchard road and Little India, another 10,000 of our own will be left to fight for space @ hawker centers, and eventually somehow, if this trend continues, we will be another number in the crowd - another unit of another colored race -a set of digits in ICA records - a burden to our health system - a harvesting individuals for body parts for the rich from overseas - and finally to dust we return among the nameless, stateless, under the CAT - used and spend commodities.

a battery for the elites ruling class...... .. Are you alkaline or green reusable?
:(

 

[jw5]

Bro, your last statement cuts my heart through like a double edged dagger. A government from the people, by the people BUT for OTHER PEOPLE above former own people.....


a battery for the elites ruling class...... .. Are you alkaline or green reusable?
:(

Bro
Go and read the other thread I started entitled "World Class Foreign Talents".
Appreciate your comments and views too.

 

[darthboy]

Bro
Go and read the other thread I started entitled "World Class Foreign Talents".
Appreciate your comments and views too.

Bro, last piece of advice to you. Stop fighting and head down to the library. Whatever 400k or 1mil price for HDB flat is immaterial, once you find out how the money system works.

The government never screwed you. Just like deference to authority, assumptions can be fatal. The mind likes to fill in the blanks, without the government's intervention.

 

[jw5]

Bro, last piece of advice to you. Stop fighting and head down to the library. Whatever 400k or 1mil price for HDB flat is immaterial, once you find out how the money system works.

The government never screwed you. Just like deference to authority, assumptions can be fatal. The mind likes to fill in the blanks, without the government's intervention.

Thank you for the advice.

 

[darthboy]

Thank you for the advice.

apologies that I cannot reveal more. The bankers might slice my head off.

"Money". Few understand it, yet many are troubled by it. Curious.

 

[Maximilian Chua-Heng]

Compare this Golden Period forum vs the Asian Values Sex forum in terms of stability and reliability (read: server issue etc) and eyeballs, you will know why Sinkie men (and women) simply bochap.

Don't rock my boat please, I have enough on my plate!!!


P/S I smell your edginess level is up a notch, hence such threads calling for action. Decent threads though, good for discussion.

 

[darthboy]

...I'll throw out an offer.

Anyone who has done research into
1) British Crown history, trade and industry
2) piracy at sea
3) Singapore history
please PM me.

If the info you have is limited to those in the public secondary schools' textbooks, it's not enough. Do not PM.

 

[jw5]

Compare this Golden Period forum vs the Asian Values Sex forum in terms of stability and reliability (read: server issue etc) and eyeballs, you will know why Sinkie men (and women) simply bochap.

Don't rock my boat please, I have enough on my plate!!!


P/S I smell your edginess level is up a notch, hence such threads calling for action. Decent threads though, good for discussion.

At one time, the Asian values sex forum was terrible in terms of stability and reliability.
It took several minutes just to load one thread, sometimes not at all.
I frequent that forum to keep up on who is screwing who when where and how, but never post.

On actions instead of words, it doesn't necesarily have to be political in nature.
It could also be your pet peeves or things that irk you in daily life. Instead of just talking or writing, what are you doing about it?