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Redditer: Christians of Singapore, how much do your pastors earn?

Sustanon said:
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What is a paster? Do you mean that you are a plasterer? You do home renovations?
 
Flibbertigibbet said:

Christians of Singapore, how much do your pastors earn?​

General

Well, it is about time Churches have their Annual General meetings. I found out my small local baptist church in the central area has our Pastor drawing 100,000 - 200,000 SGD yearly. Honestly when I saw the notes I was like wth(?) Context: I come from a low SES family and parents combined income don't even hit the monthly median income in Singapore.

I mean of course I do not expect the Pastors to live hand to mouth but honestly, 100,000 - 200,000 SGD yearly is really alot?

Religion is really like an enterprise nowadays so I want to get your thoughts
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Frankly, I do not begrudge pastors their generous salaries. These pastors understand the Bible and have fully mastered the psyche of their followers.

When Jesus entered Jerusalem, the crowd shouted, “Hosanna! Hosanna!” Yet only 4 or 5 days later, the same crowd demanded that he be crucified. Jesus was not crucified solely at the initiative of the Romans. Although the Pharisees wanted him dead, the authority to decide his fate did not rest with them. It was the very same crowd who had cried, “Hosanna! Hosanna!” just days earlier who later called for his crucifixion.

Do not let your pastors mislead you. Pontius Pilate was not the evil governor that church teachings often portray him to be. He was a shrewd and calculating politician. He had no intention of incurring the wrath of the Jewish community. When it was customary for the governor to release one prisoner at Passover, Pilate allowed the people to make the decision themselves. The crowd chose Barabbas - a man convicted of treason and murder - over Jesus of Nazareth.

So what did Jesus do to incur the wrath of the crowd that had acknowledged him as God just a few days earlier? The Pharisees hated him because his teachings threatened their positions and livelihoods. But what about the crowd? Jesus failed to meet their expectations and desires. They wanted a king who would overthrow the Roman regime in Judea and Galilee - someone who would bring them security, political freedom and prosperity. Instead, the one they had hailed as Savior stood in chains, beaten and humiliated before the very regime he was supposed to defeat. Really KNN, right? :confused:

If Jesus had delivered the people from slavery and poverty, the course of history would have been rewritten. A beaten and chained leader, paraded in public, inspires nothing but pity, not devotion. The crowd doesn’t worship truth or virtue; they worship power, comfort, and success. Jesus failed spectacularly on every count. Contrast that with today’s pastors: cruising in 7-series BMWs, living in Sentosa Cove and flashing their wealth while preaching salvation. They command attention, influence millions, and expand their “kingdom” far more effectively than any martyr ever could.

In the cruel calculus of human admiration, money talks! Perhaps Dr. Chee could take a leaf - or maybe a whole chapter - from the playbook of these “successful” pastors: drive the flashy car, live in the luxury enclave, and watch how influence multiplies. After all, in the real world, charisma alone doesn’t fill pews - prosperity does.:cool:​
 
Dongyi said:
Frankly, I do not begrudge pastors their generous salaries. These pastors understand the Bible and have fully mastered the psyche of their followers.

When Jesus entered Jerusalem, the crowd shouted, “Hosanna! Hosanna!” Yet only 4 or 5 days later, the same crowd demanded that he be crucified. Jesus was not crucified solely at the initiative of the Romans. Although the Pharisees wanted him dead, the authority to decide his fate did not rest with them. It was the very same crowd who had cried, “Hosanna! Hosanna!” just days earlier who later called for his crucifixion.

Do not let your pastors mislead you. Pontius Pilate was not the evil governor that church teachings often portray him to be. He was a shrewd and calculating politician. He had no intention of incurring the wrath of the Jewish community. When it was customary for the governor to release one prisoner at Passover, Pilate allowed the people to make the decision themselves. The crowd chose Barabbas - a man convicted of treason and murder - over Jesus of Nazareth.

So what did Jesus do to incur the wrath of the crowd that had acknowledged him as God just a few days earlier? The Pharisees hated him because his teachings threatened their positions and livelihoods. But what about the crowd? Jesus failed to meet their expectations and desires. They wanted a king who would overthrow the Roman regime in Judea and Galilee - someone who would bring them security, political freedom and prosperity. Instead, the one they had hailed as Savior stood in chains, beaten and humiliated before the very regime he was supposed to defeat. Really KNN, right? :confused:

If Jesus had delivered the people from slavery and poverty, the course of history would have been rewritten. A beaten and chained leader, paraded in public, inspires nothing but pity, not devotion. The crowd doesn’t worship truth or virtue; they worship power, comfort, and success. Jesus failed spectacularly on every count. Contrast that with today’s pastors: cruising in 7-series BMWs, living in Sentosa Cove and flashing their wealth while preaching salvation. They command attention, influence millions, and expand their “kingdom” far more effectively than any martyr ever could.

In the cruel calculus of human admiration, money talks! Perhaps Dr. Chee could take a leaf - or maybe a whole chapter - from the playbook of these “successful” pastors: drive the flashy car, live in the luxury enclave, and watch how influence multiplies. After all, in the real world, charisma alone doesn’t fill pews - prosperity does.:cool:​
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Once you start writing, you are invincible like this..

 
Semaj2357 said:
hanor, in god we trust and god will provide.
meantime, the "kong"-gregation gets thrusted! :whistling:
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I encourage the people of these churches to walk from Star Vista to Suntec, or Suntec to Star Vista.

It can be done within three hours.
 
laksaboy said:
Megachurches are super rich. City Harvest owns a large stake of Suntec. New Creation owns Star Vista.
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Mega churches are no different from the PAP. If the pastor has the same influence and power over his church committee as the SM and PM over their ministers, they will do his bidding. The same applies to all religions. Thank God not all churches are like that.
 
True Believer said:
Mega churches are no different from the PAP. If the pastor has the same influence and power over his church committee as the SM and PM over their ministers, they will do his bidding. The same applies to all religions. Thank God not all churches are like that.
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Megachurches are a hybrid of a wealth seminar, a motivational speaker conference, and a concert. What remains of the 'church' part of it is very diluted and minimal. :cool:
 
laksaboy said:
Megachurches are a hybrid of a wealth seminar, a motivational speaker conference, and a concert. What remains of the 'church' part of it is very diluted and minimal. :cool:
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The mega church pastors preach the "prosperity gospel" i.e. donate generously to the church and God will give you many times more in return.
 
Semaj2357 said:
hanor, in god we trust and god will provide.
meantime, the "kong"-gregation gets thrusted! :whistling:
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Do not underestimate the gravitational force of human desires. It is said that desires make slaves of kings. Christian doctrine may have undergone countless revisions and splintered into many denominations, yet there is one force that unites all followers: desire. You may call them fanatics, but if their prayers are answered and their desires fulfilled, who is to say their faith is misplaced? Desire, after all, may be the quiet architect of belief.​
 
Dongyi said:
Do not underestimate the gravitational force of human desires. It is said that desires make slaves of kings. Christian doctrine may have undergone countless revisions and splintered into many denominations, yet there is one force that unites all followers: desire. You may call them fanatics, but if their prayers are answered and their desires fulfilled, who is to say their faith is misplaced? Desire, after all, may be the quiet architect of belief.

A belief system built on visible security and personal gain is neither a Christian invention nor uniquely Christian. It is a method as old as human nature - much like the way zookeepers condition animals to obey their keepers.

If faith is anchored primarily in answered prayers - so long as the desired results continue without interruption - then, for those who hold it, it becomes a theology that “works.” And as long as it appears to work and desires are continually being met, it is nearly impossible to dislodge. Why do you think Loyang Tua Pek Kong is rarely short of donations? Many devotees believe the temple is very 靈驗 (spiritually efficacious) - especially regarding health, business, safety and prosperity. When people feel their prayers have been answered, gratitude offerings follow naturally without any need to enforce tithes. In many religious traditions, perceived efficacy sustains giving. I repeat: it's not a Christian invention!

Therefore, do not waste your time arguing with zealots about what constitutes correct theology, nor begrudge them their good fortune. For them, the theology that proves efficacious is the correct theology - and from their vantage point, that conclusion feels justified.

Scripture affirms that nothing surpasses God’s sovereignty. As Romans 9:18 (NIV) states: “Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.” Even the grace of God must submit to His sovereignty. Yet for believers whose faith rests primarily on answered prayers, something can come to seem greater than God’s will - namely, human desire itself.​
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So we'll written. Yet again. Gosh!
 
A belief system built on visible security and personal gain is neither a Christian invention nor uniquely Christian. It is a method as old as human nature - much like the way zookeepers condition animals to obey their keepers.

If faith is anchored primarily in answered prayers - so long as the desired results continue without interruption - then, for those who hold it, it becomes a theology that “works.” And as long as it appears to work and desires are continually being met, it is nearly impossible to dislodge. Why do you think Loyang Tua Pek Kong is rarely short of donations? Many devotees believe the temple is very 靈驗 (spiritually efficacious) - especially regarding health, business, safety and prosperity. When people feel their prayers have been answered, gratitude offerings follow naturally without any need to enforce tithes. In many religious traditions, perceived efficacy sustains giving. I repeat: it's not a Christian invention!

Therefore, do not waste your time arguing with zealots about what constitutes correct theology, nor begrudge them their good fortune. For them, the theology that proves efficacious is the correct theology - and from their vantage point, that conclusion feels justified.

Scripture affirms that nothing surpasses God’s sovereignty. As Romans 9:18 (NIV) states: “Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.” Even the grace of God must submit to His sovereignty. Yet for believers whose faith rests primarily on answered prayers, something can come to seem greater than God’s will - namely, human desire itself.​
 
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