Tesla is the worst performing stock in the S&P 500. Analysts say it has further to fall

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I have seen the Tesla's and frankly I am not impressed with the cutting corners approach. I am old fashioned with love for modernity...tat why I am not fazed with big touch screens etc. However safety cannot be compromised as well as ergonomics and that is using buttons to control air con, gear shift etc...and makes the car look cool too. And not to mentioned the retractable door handles... bloody recipe for disaster. Even chicons land is going to ban those retractable door handles next year.

Car manufacturers are assholes and will cut any corner possible. And using touchscreen for everything saves them heaps. But comes at a cost of safety N ergonomics. N the worst thing is it's promoted as minimalist design...what a load of crock. Anyway with such promoted BS...I won't touch those crap with a 10 foot pole.

 

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I have seen the Tesla's and frankly I am not impressed with the cutting corners approach. I am old fashioned with love for modernity...tat why I am not fazed with big touch screens etc. However safety cannot be compromised as well as ergonomics and that is using buttons to control air con, gear shift etc...and makes the car look cool too. And not to mentioned the retractable door handles... bloody recipe for disaster. Even chicons land is going to ban those retractable door handles next year.

Car manufacturers are assholes and will cut any corner possible. And using touchscreen for everything saves them heaps. But comes at a cost of safety N ergonomics. N the worst thing is it's promoted as minimalist design...what a load of crock. Anyway with such promoted BS...I won't touch those crap with a 10 foot pole.

The car will drive for you nothing can be safer than that. The weakest link in transportation technology is the driver. The driver suffers way more breakdowns compared to the car.

When self drive technology becomes mainstream traffic accidents and deaths will plunge dramatically. Here's what happens when humans are in charge....

 

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The car will drive for you nothing can be safer than that. The weakest link in transportation technology is the driver. The driver suffers way more breakdowns compared to the car.

When self drive technology becomes mainstream traffic accidents and deaths will plunge dramatically. Here's what happens when humans are in charge....

If tat the case...why is it mandated that drivers are responsible when a self driving car crashed..

 

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If tat the case...why is it mandated that drivers are responsible when a self driving car crashed..

That's because we have not reached the stage where driving is fully autonomous. We are in a transition stage similar to what happened in the finance industry when computers first appeared on the scene. When banks first computerised they were still required to have manual back up systems. If you walked into a bank and the computer was down your deposit or withdrawal could still be done by humans.

In a couple of years time autonomous driving will be mainstream and we'll all be wondering how we managed when we actually had to drive those damned things ourselves.

 

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Unsupervised FSD is just round the corner. Already proving itself in Austin and Dallas, Texas.

 

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That's because we have not reached the stage where driving is fully autonomous. We are in a transition stage similar to what happened in the finance industry when computers first appeared on the scene. When banks first computerised they were still required to have manual back up systems. If you walked into a bank and the computer was down your deposit or withdrawal could still be done by humans.

In a couple of years time autonomous driving will be mainstream and we'll all be wondering how we managed when we actually had to drive those damned things ourselves.

Yes..just like I don't understand why with modern cars, motorised bicycles etc...u still get cyclists who have bicycles that costs thousands of dollars which still require human power when soo many alternatives are available

 

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Tesla Model Y rebounds to win September sales race; Renault Clio, Dacia Sandero round out top 3​

By
Douglas A. Bolduc
October 22, 2025 06:15 AM

The Tesla Model Y was Europe’s top-selling car in September. It’s the first monthly sales win for the midsize SUV in 2025. (TESLA)
The Tesla Model Y was Europe’s bestselling car in September, returning to the No. 1 slot for the first time in nine months even though sales fell 8.6 percent to 25,938 compared with the same month in 2024.

It has been a year of dramatic swings for the full-electric midsize SUV, which slipped to No. 60 in sales in July from second place in June. In August, the Model Y finished 17th.


The Model Y is the fourth model to finish a month at No. 1 this year. The others are the Dacia Sandero, which has been on top four times, the Renault Clio, which has won three monthly titles, and the Volkswagen T-Roc, which was first in August.

The Clio was Europe’s No. 2-seller in September. The small car’s sales were down 1.6 percent to 20,1467 last month, according to figures from Dataforce representing 98 percent of sales in the European Union, EFTA markets and the U.K.


The only markets yet to report are Finland and Portugal.

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The Clio is on the cusp of a model changeover. The sixth generation of the small hatchback debuted last month at the IAA Munich auto show and will launch in Europe next year.


Rounding out the top three was the Sandero, with sales up 3.2 percent to 19,200.

European sales of the VW Golf were up 16 percent to 18,256 in September. (VOLKSWAGEN)

The next three slots in the September sales ranking were taken by Volkswagen, with the T-Roc, Golf and Tiguan on track to finish the month in fourth, fifth and sixth place, respectively, based on Dataforce’s preliminary figures.

T-Roc sales rose nearly 50 percent last month while the Golf’s volume was up 16 percent. Demand for the Tiguan, however, decreased 14 percent.

Having three models in the top 10 helped VW brand increase overall sales last month 9.7 percent to 124,875 in September. That’s a volume increase of 11,055 units compared with September 2024.

Which other cars were big sales winners in September?​

Sales of the Nissan Qashqai were up 36 percent to 15,137, lifting the compact SUV into the top 15 after it finished in 22nd place in September 2024.

Sales of the Volvo XC60 were up 26 percent to 8,194 in September, putting it in 48th place after it fell out of the top 50 during the same month last year.

The BYD Seal U leaped to 22nd place in September from No. 187 during the same month last year after a sales gain of more than 830 percent to nearly to 11,491.

Other winners in the top 50 were the BMW 1 Series (+154 percent), MG HS (+138 percent) and Audi A3 (+33 percent).

The Ford Kuga was one of Europe’s biggest losers in the top 50, with a decline of 20 percent to 8,411. The VW Polo fell 16 percent to 12,790 and the Mini Cooper slid 14 percent to 8,891.

Which cars were Europe’s top-sellers after 9 months?​

The Sandero maintained its large overall lead after nine months. Dacia has sold 185,947 Sanderos through September, a decline of 8.3 percent over last year.

The Clio remains at No. 2, with a volume of 170,256.

Rounding out the top three was the T-Roc, which stayed ahead of the Tiguan because of a 2.5 percent increase to 160,730 after nine months.

 

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Tesla Model Y rebounds to win September sales race; Renault Clio, Dacia Sandero round out top 3​

By
Douglas A. Bolduc
October 22, 2025 06:15 AM

The Tesla Model Y was Europe’s top-selling car in September. It’s the first monthly sales win for the midsize SUV in 2025. (TESLA)
The Tesla Model Y was Europe’s bestselling car in September, returning to the No. 1 slot for the first time in nine months even though sales fell 8.6 percent to 25,938 compared with the same month in 2024.

It has been a year of dramatic swings for the full-electric midsize SUV, which slipped to No. 60 in sales in July from second place in June. In August, the Model Y finished 17th.


The Model Y is the fourth model to finish a month at No. 1 this year. The others are the Dacia Sandero, which has been on top four times, the Renault Clio, which has won three monthly titles, and the Volkswagen T-Roc, which was first in August.

The Clio was Europe’s No. 2-seller in September. The small car’s sales were down 1.6 percent to 20,1467 last month, according to figures from Dataforce representing 98 percent of sales in the European Union, EFTA markets and the U.K.


The only markets yet to report are Finland and Portugal.

Sign up for the Automotive News Europe By The Numbers monthly newsletter delivering data and commentary on European sales.

The Clio is on the cusp of a model changeover. The sixth generation of the small hatchback debuted last month at the IAA Munich auto show and will launch in Europe next year.


Rounding out the top three was the Sandero, with sales up 3.2 percent to 19,200.

European sales of the VW Golf were up 16 percent to 18,256 in September. (VOLKSWAGEN)

The next three slots in the September sales ranking were taken by Volkswagen, with the T-Roc, Golf and Tiguan on track to finish the month in fourth, fifth and sixth place, respectively, based on Dataforce’s preliminary figures.

T-Roc sales rose nearly 50 percent last month while the Golf’s volume was up 16 percent. Demand for the Tiguan, however, decreased 14 percent.

Having three models in the top 10 helped VW brand increase overall sales last month 9.7 percent to 124,875 in September. That’s a volume increase of 11,055 units compared with September 2024.

Which other cars were big sales winners in September?​

Sales of the Nissan Qashqai were up 36 percent to 15,137, lifting the compact SUV into the top 15 after it finished in 22nd place in September 2024.

Sales of the Volvo XC60 were up 26 percent to 8,194 in September, putting it in 48th place after it fell out of the top 50 during the same month last year.

The BYD Seal U leaped to 22nd place in September from No. 187 during the same month last year after a sales gain of more than 830 percent to nearly to 11,491.

Other winners in the top 50 were the BMW 1 Series (+154 percent), MG HS (+138 percent) and Audi A3 (+33 percent).

The Ford Kuga was one of Europe’s biggest losers in the top 50, with a decline of 20 percent to 8,411. The VW Polo fell 16 percent to 12,790 and the Mini Cooper slid 14 percent to 8,891.

Which cars were Europe’s top-sellers after 9 months?​

The Sandero maintained its large overall lead after nine months. Dacia has sold 185,947 Sanderos through September, a decline of 8.3 percent over last year.

The Clio remains at No. 2, with a volume of 170,256.

Rounding out the top three was the T-Roc, which stayed ahead of the Tiguan because of a 2.5 percent increase to 160,730 after nine months.

Model of the story is can only buy European cars In Europe... And frog cars in frogland .

 

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The semi has not been factored into Tesla's valuation yet. Just wait till it hits the road in large numbers and Tesla's brand value alone will hit the roof!

 

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Where are all the Tesla haters don't you have something profound to say?

Tesla was below $150 when all the data pointed to the fact that $500 was not too far away. Only fools passed up the opportunity.

 

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Where are all the Tesla haters don't you have something profound to say?

Tesla was below $150 when all the data pointed to the fact that $500 was not too far away. Only fools passed up the opportunity.

Uh when U say Tesla haters...U mean those that don't like the Tesla vehicle or the stock?