full day Linux Installation Workshops offered by UncleYap ;)

[uncleyap]

My recommendations for general PC users is that you have to go through a guided and assisted process of familiarization and confidence building. It is nothing difficult nor too time consuming, it is not technical at all.

Once you got there, your future computing experience will be never the same.
It not hard to reach there, and time is ripe.

MS users actually had unknowingly accumulated lots of skills to deal with MS problems, and tolerated with too many unnecessary technical troubles. I realized after using Linux for years and when I looked back to help MS users, i feel so awkward with MS problems after I got used to systems that will reliably work straight and last in that way until the hardware is too old and got retired or upgraded.

Few of my old setup Linux 2.4 kernel system are still in use reliably, that is because their hardware also belong to the lasting era's more than 10 years and still can run without much care to give them.

They simply work without nonsense.

And that is what you need your PCs to do, they should be there to only serve you, not to give you hell, cause your blood pressure to go up, and your hair to be lost.

For management & businesses, that is what your office needs, not for employees to play games, but to deliver their works on time without common excuses like MY PC IS DOWN BOSS.

That is also what parents should be giving to students, not the unstoppable games that goes on till late night. Linux keeps the laptops working, unless the kids broke the hardware. There is no MS crap reasons to prevent home work to be completed, and studies to be done, there are games but not the obsessive entertainments.

Linux is also for the home adults, that you go to porn sites without killing your PC or left any porn in computer for you children to find them. Porn sites are the most dangerous ones that installs crap inside MS to exploit your PCs. They will pop up porns and steal your credit cards and violate your privacy. Linux bring you to the danger zone unharmed.

The most practical aspect is COST SAVING. How much have you spent to fix broken MS? Update anti-virus? Lost time? Sent entire PC to be restored? Do lost data recovery? TOO MUCH!

Forget about all these past IT problems.

The table had not just turned but entirely flipped! Linux is the solution to all hardware drivers issues, MS has endless such problems. Linux can mount NAS; Novell; Windows files shares and MS servers. Save and read most common file formats more compatible than MS. The advantage / disadvantage of the past had been reversed. MS had lost their upper hand once and for all. MS is gone! Don't be sorry for it!

 

[Zombie]

but logging into certain websites eg gov ones, requires ms windows & browser
even mac faces some problems too..

 

[uncleyap]

but logging into certain websites eg gov ones, requires ms windows & browser
even mac faces some problems too..

Yes, they are silly (very silly) to use lots of java and IE scripts.

But not a problem. Even if you had entirely no MS installed on your desktop. I can show you a (slower) VM plugged in via USB thumb drive can run virtual PC windows, for the occasional needs like these.

For majority, they should at this stage run DUAL-BOOT PCs / Laptop. That has their regular rotten MS and Linux side by side to be chosen with auto-select & time-out during each boot-up.

For not just this SILLY LEEgime Govt Web issues, but also some comfort of familiarity and transitional needs, MS still be better in there instead of suddenly and totally vanished.

The MS VMs can be still run from Harddisks, instead of dual-boot.

That is if you have more RAM & CPU power, e.g. core-2 Dual or AMD64X2 2/4/8GB RAM etc, you don't need to shutdown Linux just to run MS. MS VM can run inside of Linux like an application inside a window. That is a mini PC inside your actual PC that can be called up when needed.

 

[Ash007]

Like I've said before,

PaP==M$

PaPpies insist on using M$ stuff for a reason.

but logging into certain websites eg gov ones, requires ms windows & browser
even mac faces some problems too..

 

[Ash007]

Eh.. I use OSX nowadays, At work, linux desktop, winBlows lappy for web browsing. Couple of Mac G5s to play around with. nothing much to do about Linux nowadays. Thanks for the invite anyway.

I invite all you Linux users over to my Linux forum to discuss technical issues and opinions. Unless Sam is going to create a Linux /IT folder here, I hope my server can contribute to this sort of things, I paid a whole year of hosting charges already.

 

[uncleyap]

Eh.. I use OSX nowadays, At work, linux desktop, winBlows lappy for web browsing. Couple of Mac G5s to play around with. nothing much to do about Linux nowadays. Thanks for the invite anyway.

Howz your comparison between Mac & Linux, using KDE 4.3.x? or Gnome?

Mac are quality stuffs, not so expensive these days. I am not very used to their single button mouse and Mac Keybd. Most of time only do DTP / Photoshop on them.

 

[Char_Azn]

i uses mcafee , the problem are there are thousands and thousands of virus. the company cannot have solution for all.

Antivirus works in 2 ways. Method one, have a library of virus definition and do a scan using that library. Method 2, investigate how a program works and determine whether it is conducting any malicious activity. If it arts like a virus, the antivirus program will stop it. Which means if it is a new type of virus, and the antivirus company has not come up with a way to clean it yet, the antivirus will still quarantine the program, stopping it from running

The only way to really prevent an antivirus from detecting a virus when it arrives is for someone to encrypt a file. e.g. U zip up a file and add a password on it. If U really so champion, can open up an unknown zip file with password and still go ahead and uncompress and execute the file, then I really have nothing to say

 

[Char_Azn]

You are far apart from Linux which you have no idea what you are talking about. I know the MS craps since the days of DOS. Linux is the OS used by supercomputers instead of Unix, it is selected because it is a good fastest developing platform jointly developed by entire open source world. SGI for example use Linux instead of their own Irix (Unix) for super computers that has thousands of CPUs and hundred TB of RAM.

Games? There are thousands of them. Video intensive works on professional post production works like Discrete Logic, Pixar, etc software to do Hollywood Star Wars & Jurassic Park animations are running these Linux OS, many are SGIs. I came from that industry, where I used SGI Irix before I saw Linux appeared on www.

The producers of the games have to use either Unix or Linux or Mac OS to get their games out. NOT MS.

Not some poor platforms like MS that can be screwed by virus.

Scanning for virus is something that you MUST NOT BE FORCED TO WASTE TIME + $$$$ + CPU + RAM onto period.

No need to argue how to scan this way or that way. Simply, a reliable system must not be subjected to these silly exploitations and wastage.

Serious works and functions are all depending on Unix, BSD, Linux or Mac, not MS. Mac OS is not for other than their line of products essentially, never used on mainframe servers that has few hundred CPUs. Most of Internet's infrastructure use either BSD or Linux or Unix, considering Sun Solaris as Unix.

MS will be at most left as a home game platform very soon. It is for those who can continue to afford to be exploited and fooled.

Scanning virus is the most stupid thing for a computer to be wasting time & resources to do, just like scanning very person's finger print over and over millions of times, just in case one time you may catch one MSK! However, in reality, the poor sucker users CPU and RAM as long as not turned off, will be scanning all the same executables over and over for countless time, just because there is potential exploits, due to the hidden MAIN EXPLOITER known as MS.

The linux desktop / laptop installation foot print is about 3GB-4GB on HDD typically, consisting of everything from OS to drivers to applications including games, office, graphics, multimedia, cameras, CDR/DVD-R, communications, web, database etc, ALL installed together at one single go - without repeated reboots. Virus is never a real concern, just like in Unix & Mac & BSD.

Unlike MS which use only max 3.5GB of RAM, linux have no limits, since you can write custom kernel modules like the SGI giants did. The CPU chips' limitation is the bottleneck. X86_64 Linux kernel can address memory range 128TB.

http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_31

I you got so much RAM but had to scan virus inside hundred TB of RAM it is a REAL HUGE JOKE!

Realistically, for current DDR3 & DDR2 desktop / laptop, 6GB or 8GB is good. Let users use Virtual Machines with say 2GBs per VM.

These VM can be MS Craps too, and yes you don't need to scan them for virus, because the are VMs that auto reverts to uncorrupted snapshots.

VM let users swiftly flip between OS and different machines, when you have the RAM + CPU for it, you can have Linux; Solaris; Mac OS; & MS crap all before you at the same time. But you must NOT let MS be the host's base OS, unless you want yourself screwed.

The only time Linux do virus scan is to protect MS users, or save their ass. That is like a mail gateway, or Internet security / virus wall. Which is a joke, because the better OS have to clean backside or the poor OS! It is still waste of resources.

I had used MS since days of DOS & MS Basic when Bill Gate were still writing his codes. But I stop worrying about virus after I used Linux. The only time I need to care about virus / spyware is when people ask for my help to rescue their PCs.:(:p I am already really sick and tired about virus. Those things you wrote on how to scan virus, are meaningless and no point for me to read nor respond to. When laptop & desktop users know how to avoid MS, 99% of these problem will become legacy - MS legacy actually.

One day the PC games will also ditch MS & adopt a new OS which game developers produced from Open Source technologies. All it needed is a layer that emulates the legacy MS craps, for the older games to run. But I am not too concerned on game's aspect. My focus is on the non-entertainment aspects of computing. The business; SOHO; & Study desktops.

Again it goes to show Ur lacking in technical knowledge of how the modern software, more specifically the antivirus works. As you've mentioned, you've been around since the day of Dos, it seems to me you were also stuck to that period.

U have no idea how virus makers think. Like I pointed out in my first post, even the Linux have viruses. The reason why Windows gets all the viruses is because of the sheer market share that they have, if the situation was reversed and Linux have 90% of the market share then it will be the other way round.

Why is this so? Common sense. I create a spyware to steal information, would I want to create 1 that targets 1% of the market or 90%. For the same effort put in, I can reach out to millions more potential targets, why in the world of F would I want to aim for a smaller one. Case in point, the popularity of the Iphone have seen hackers exploit bugs and even create spyware and viruses almost ON A DAILY BASIS. Then again I don't suppose you realize this since being a self proclaim "IT person" you don't seem to read a lot of IT news.

And I pointed out earlier, ANTIVIRUS SOFTWARE DO NOT PARK THEIR ENTIRE LIBRARY OF FILES ON THE MEMORY ALL THE TIME and NEITHER DO THEY SCAN EVERY FREAKING STUFF THAT YOU ARE CURRENTLY DOING. I don't know if you choose to ignore this on purpose or you're like the local media, trying to black me out. I've pointed this out quite a number of times already. Antivirus, only scan newly files that are modified files unless you manually run a full scan on it can't be bother what you are currently doing unless U save it!!!!

And you can talk about hosting games on Linux or whatever all you want, IT IS TOTALLY MEANINGLESS IF THE GAMES YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IS UNAVAILABLE ON THE LINUX FOR END USERS.

The fact that U choose to ignore the facts, totally can't be bothered to listen to alternatives and tried to black out what I wrote by either trying to change the subject with something political just goes to prove that YOU ARE NO BETTER THEN THE LOCAL MEDIA THAT YOU ALWAYS CONDEMN :oIo::oIo:

 

[Char_Azn]

Market Share for Top Servers Across All Domains August 1995 - January 2009

Don't bother, the idiot have shown in this thread time and again that he is living in a world of his own. Totally out of touch with the current IT trends and technologies and refuses to listen to anyone who doesn't agree with him.

 

[Ash007]

Howz your comparison between Mac & Linux, using KDE 4.3.x? or Gnome?

Mac are quality stuffs, not so expensive these days. I am not very used to their single button mouse and Mac Keybd. Most of time only do DTP / Photoshop on them.

Mate, UI on the Macs is the best. I switched from Linux to Macs and have never looked back. Look at win7 UI and its ads on how they "implement" smart folders and widgets, these have been on OSX for years! There are still stuff on OSX thats not found on other UIs. I dropped a terminal onto the dock when I first got the Mac, thinking I'll be doing a lot of command line stuff like in Linux, since using OSX, I've hardly have to touch it at all. If you want ease of use, common sense UIs try a Mac.

The single button mouse is a Myth. Macs have supported multi-button mouses since ages. In fact have you seen the new magic mouse. The whole surface is a touch pad! You can do multi-finger gesturing on the mouse it self, and it definitely support 3 buttons on it. There are very good reasons why the "creative" profession uses a Mac from Photoshops, to DJs, it definitely worked hassle free for them. At least you got the "Macs are expensive" myth right. Macs are comparable in prices nowadays.

Having said all this, I still like and use Linux, think of Linux as the workhorse when you need to get something done and you don't want to touch it again. Backends, NFS, SAN, websevers, mail servers.
Use a Mac for your daily needs where its easier to be more "creative".

Interesting thing is the new Mac-mini has a range that includes OSX-server. I think apple is tentatively trying to get into the low-end backend market.

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[Char_Azn]

I can never understand how Uncle Yap is thinking. Why would someone who hate PAP ways of doing things praising the Apple Mac OS is just weird

Pple who hate PAP usually does not like how they like to tell U wat to do
Apple tells U, what hardware U can or cannot use for the Mac

PAP like to sue the competition
Apple has the best record of suing any company who tries to sell Mac on their hardware

With PAP you are forced to vote for them else no upgrades
For Mac users, you can only buy your next machine from Apple again or else no more upgrades of Mac OS to the next version

 

[myfoot123]

Uncle yap,

Got any course on teaching us how to get away with our domain to prevent ISD tracing the bloggers, forums or setting up our website? Me not very IT smart.

 

[Char_Azn]

Uncle yap,

Got any course on teaching us how to get away with our domain to prevent ISD tracing the bloggers, forums or setting up our website? Me not very IT smart.

If that joker was half that smart, he wouldn't have gotten into trouble time and time again and running a campaign against the Lee family that ended in total failure

Not IT smart also should be able to do something call Google. Here is an article most pple should understand -> http://compnetworking.about.com/od/workingwithipaddresses/f/hideipaddress.htm

As for how to find a free proxy, like I said earlier, Google

 

[soIsee]

If that joker was half that smart, he wouldn't have gotten into trouble time and time again and running a campaign against the Lee family that ended in total failure

Not IT smart also should be able to do something call Google. Here is an article most pple should understand -> http://compnetworking.about.com/od/workingwithipaddresses/f/hideipaddress.htm

As for how to find a free proxy, like I said earlier, Google

Let me rephrase that part of 'that fella ended in total failure"

I would not call him a total failure but since he choose to lead his life the way he sees fit and willing to suffer the consequences, let him be.

But I am 101% sure, not many would want to follow.

 

[uncleyap]

Again it goes to show Ur lacking in technical knowledge of how the modern software, more specifically the antivirus works. As you've mentioned, you've been around since the day of Dos, it seems to me you were also stuck to that period.

U have no idea how virus makers think. Like I pointed out in my first post, even the Linux have viruses. The reason why Windows gets all the viruses is because of the sheer market share that they have, if the situation was reversed and Linux have 90% of the market share then it will be the other way round.

Why is this so? Common sense. I create a spyware to steal information, would I want to create 1 that targets 1% of the market or 90%. For the same effort put in, I can reach out to millions more potential targets, why in the world of F would I want to aim for a smaller one. Case in point, the popularity of the Iphone have seen hackers exploit bugs and even create spyware and viruses almost ON A DAILY BASIS. Then again I don't suppose you realize this since being a self proclaim "IT person" you don't seem to read a lot of IT news.

And I pointed out earlier, ANTIVIRUS SOFTWARE DO NOT PARK THEIR ENTIRE LIBRARY OF FILES ON THE MEMORY ALL THE TIME and NEITHER DO THEY SCAN EVERY FREAKING STUFF THAT YOU ARE CURRENTLY DOING. I don't know if you choose to ignore this on purpose or you're like the local media, trying to black me out. I've pointed this out quite a number of times already. Antivirus, only scan newly files that are modified files unless you manually run a full scan on it can't be bother what you are currently doing unless U save it!!!!

And you can talk about hosting games on Linux or whatever all you want, IT IS TOTALLY MEANINGLESS IF THE GAMES YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IS UNAVAILABLE ON THE LINUX FOR END USERS.

The fact that U choose to ignore the facts, totally can't be bothered to listen to alternatives and tried to black out what I wrote by either trying to change the subject with something political just goes to prove that YOU ARE NO BETTER THEN THE LOCAL MEDIA THAT YOU ALWAYS CONDEMN :oIo::oIo:

There are already so called VIRUS FACTORY programs to generate all kinds of customized virus targeted for ONLY MS systems. There is however no need to listen to so call expert virus scanning techniques etc.

NO SECRET is the solution, it is called OPEN SOURCE.

Every line of source code is opened to everyone. Therefore everyone can spot the faults and fix them FAST. Even the source codes of compilers and development tools are opened. So there is 100% transparency, threats can not be easily hidden.

This is the way reliability and security is achieved.

I always used the example of glass lifts, because it is see-through you can not do money business inside.

Because source code is available to everyone, threats can also be neutralized fast, problems can be fixed fast, everyone can do something about problems not just limited to a monopoly business.

2 main reasons why the whole world had been in past 20 years subjected to malware threats: #1, MS is full of flaws. #2, MS became a disastrous monopoly with it's fucked up software products.

The excuse used by persons like you can not stand, to claim that MS is attacked only because it is popular. I can tell you that Linux is also very popular but people like you are unaware of this truth. Linux is inside many embedded systems, e.g. your wifi; broadband modem; routers; firewalls; printers; fax; handphones, DVD/VCD player, set-top boxes etc. It is the main platforms of Internet infrastructure, web servers, mail servers, files servers, video servers, VOIP gateways, GSM & 3G systems. People use them non-stop daily.

If Linux could be so easily hacked then banks; military; police; government; hospitals; labs; intelligence agencies etc, would had been all FUCKED since a long time ago. Linux system reliably served and guarded the world, this is something that MS is never going to be able to do.



The change that had happened now is Linux due to fast development already put MS far behind by technology, friendliness, and feature rich, for desktops and laptops. It is irreversible.



You can brag here all you want about how expert you are for scanning virus which is full of flaws, and pointless to pay attention to. Because it is only a SAD Necessity it have to waste time and resources to do that ironical tasks.



MS is bad not just because of virus actually.

It is increasingly designed built and sold to EXPLOIT their customers.

There are 30GB of rubbish inside that MS will not let you use unless you kept giving them your credit card to charge you again and again. MS loaded a huge footprint of crappy products in YOUR HDD, and then abuse your CPU as their Salesmen to pop up every now and then, to demand you to PAY for these craps.

The crap not only slow your system, it also need you to defrag and scan for virus inside that 30GB of shit. Not just once but over and over again. Users are all made SUCKERS.

MS exploitation is also that they betray their users and back-stab their customers using their software paid for by these customers. They will report you for downloading unlicensed software, movies and songs. They know who you are, they got your MSN passport, your credit card, your home and work contact lists, your photo from your laptop camera, your voice from voice activation system, your finger print from your thumb scanners.

They will blackmail you! If you don't pay up their blackmail they promised to LOCKUP YOUR PC until you surrender to them.

Why be exploited and bullied by MS?

 

[uncleyap]

Mate, UI on the Macs is the best. I switched from Linux to Macs and have never looked back. Look at win7 UI and its ads on how they "implement" smart folders and widgets, these have been on OSX for years! There are still stuff on OSX thats not found on other UIs. I dropped a terminal onto the dock when I first got the Mac, thinking I'll be doing a lot of command line stuff like in Linux, since using OSX, I've hardly have to touch it at all. If you want ease of use, common sense UIs try a Mac.

The single button mouse is a Myth. Macs have supported multi-button mouses since ages. In fact have you seen the new magic mouse. The whole surface is a touch pad! You can do multi-finger gesturing on the mouse it self, and it definitely support 3 buttons on it. There are very good reasons why the "creative" profession uses a Mac from Photoshops, to DJs, it definitely worked hassle free for them. At least you got the "Macs are expensive" myth right. Macs are comparable in prices nowadays.

Having said all this, I still like and use Linux, think of Linux as the workhorse when you need to get something done and you don't want to touch it again. Backends, NFS, SAN, websevers, mail servers.
Use a Mac for your daily needs where its easier to be more "creative".

Interesting thing is the new Mac-mini has a range that includes OSX-server. I think apple is tentatively trying to get into the low-end backend market.

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WAF the videos really funny!

Surely the Mac UI is the one that spoil the users lah.

I found that KDE 4.3x desktop got more comfortable also, but still quite a way apart from Apple UI.

I knew that any normal mouse can be plugged into mac but problem is when I touched the macs they are not my and they got that kind of mouse. E.g. if I ran into a printing shop to print a poster or banner against famiLEE LEEgime, they got these mouses!

The reliable and powerful workhorse Linux can be adapted with quite a number of different UI, in fact I think Linux is the most flexible in this aspect that it can change and select from near a dozen of Desktop Managers. e.g. KDE Genome FXCE Enlightenment etc.

http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/8-great-alternative-desktop-managers-for-linux/


http://www.linuxlinks.com/article/2008112315231841/Desktop.html

http://www.linux.com/archive/articles/37552

But Apple is the most comfortable UI and these can not beat Apple.

Many Linux machines does not have desktop UI, e.g. my print server box, or NAS, it's only UI is HTML web management interface, which is well written.

:-)

 

[Ash007]

WAF the videos really funny!

Surely the Mac UI is the one that spoil the users lah.

I found that KDE 4.3x desktop got more comfortable also, but still quite a way apart from Apple UI.

I knew that any normal mouse can be plugged into mac but problem is when I touched the macs they are not my and they got that kind of mouse. E.g. if I ran into a printing shop to print a poster or banner against famiLEE LEEgime, they got these mouses!

The reliable and powerful workhorse Linux can be adapted with quite a number of different UI, in fact I think Linux is the most flexible in this aspect that it can change and select from near a dozen of Desktop Managers. e.g. KDE Genome FXCE Enlightenment etc.

http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/8-great-alternative-desktop-managers-for-linux/


http://www.linuxlinks.com/article/2008112315231841/Desktop.html

http://www.linux.com/archive/articles/37552

But Apple is the most comfortable UI and these can not beat Apple.

Many Linux machines does not have desktop UI, e.g. my print server box, or NAS, it's only UI is HTML web management interface, which is well written.

:-)

Wahahah glad you could understand hokkien, its very funny when I first saw them. Wah si Apple, Wah si PC. wahhahaah

Yes, I said UI, there are other stuff in Macs that are done "right" as well from a developers point of view. After all, OSX is a certified UNIX now, its BSD based. Lets put it this way, with Parrallels, Bootcamp, only a Mac can run Windows, Linux, OSX at the same time. There are no other laptops in the world that would allow you to develop stuff on all 3 platform. Char_azn pointed out that Apple are worst then PAP, I've heard that argument before and tend to agree a little with that respect. However, what I disagree is that apple has proven time over time their design is still the best compared to M$. There are stuff that Apple engineers designed that is simple and elegant to use both for the users and its developers. Unless you are an Apple developer you won't know what I'm talking about.

Again, I've said Linux has its own uses. The right tool for the right job. Its just I see the use of Windows getting less and less relevant in my life thats all. All the good windows developers I know actually hated developing on windows. I'm glad I'm doing linux,osx as its primary development machine. Windows dominance will end. Other then M$ everyone else has move to *nix OSes. Something that has been around more then 30 years.

 

[Char_Azn]

There are already so called VIRUS FACTORY programs to generate all kinds of customized virus targeted for ONLY MS systems. There is however no need to listen to so call expert virus scanning techniques etc.

NO SECRET is the solution, it is called OPEN SOURCE.

Every line of source code is opened to everyone. Therefore everyone can spot the faults and fix them FAST. Even the source codes of compilers and development tools are opened. So there is 100% transparency, threats can not be easily hidden.

This is the way reliability and security is achieved.

I always used the example of glass lifts, because it is see-through you can not do money business inside.

Because source code is available to everyone, threats can also be neutralized fast, problems can be fixed fast, everyone can do something about problems not just limited to a monopoly business.

2 main reasons why the whole world had been in past 20 years subjected to malware threats: #1, MS is full of flaws. #2, MS became a disastrous monopoly with it's fucked up software products.

The excuse used by persons like you can not stand, to claim that MS is attacked only because it is popular. I can tell you that Linux is also very popular but people like you are unaware of this truth. Linux is inside many embedded systems, e.g. your wifi; broadband modem; routers; firewalls; printers; fax; handphones, DVD/VCD player, set-top boxes etc. It is the main platforms of Internet infrastructure, web servers, mail servers, files servers, video servers, VOIP gateways, GSM & 3G systems. People use them non-stop daily.

If Linux could be so easily hacked then banks; military; police; government; hospitals; labs; intelligence agencies etc, would had been all FUCKED since a long time ago. Linux system reliably served and guarded the world, this is something that MS is never going to be able to do.



The change that had happened now is Linux due to fast development already put MS far behind by technology, friendliness, and feature rich, for desktops and laptops. It is irreversible.



You can brag here all you want about how expert you are for scanning virus which is full of flaws, and pointless to pay attention to. Because it is only a SAD Necessity it have to waste time and resources to do that ironical tasks.



MS is bad not just because of virus actually.

It is increasingly designed built and sold to EXPLOIT their customers.

There are 30GB of rubbish inside that MS will not let you use unless you kept giving them your credit card to charge you again and again. MS loaded a huge footprint of crappy products in YOUR HDD, and then abuse your CPU as their Salesmen to pop up every now and then, to demand you to PAY for these craps.

The crap not only slow your system, it also need you to defrag and scan for virus inside that 30GB of shit. Not just once but over and over again. Users are all made SUCKERS.

MS exploitation is also that they betray their users and back-stab their customers using their software paid for by these customers. They will report you for downloading unlicensed software, movies and songs. They know who you are, they got your MSN passport, your credit card, your home and work contact lists, your photo from your laptop camera, your voice from voice activation system, your finger print from your thumb scanners.

They will blackmail you! If you don't pay up their blackmail they promised to LOCKUP YOUR PC until you surrender to them.

Why be exploited and bullied by MS?

1)If the main problem you have with Windows is Microsoft is exploitation of their users then please answer my other post

I can never understand how Uncle Yap is thinking. Why would someone who hate PAP ways of doing things praising the Apple Mac OS is just weird

Pple who hate PAP usually does not like how they like to tell U wat to do
Apple tells U, what hardware U can or cannot use for the Mac

PAP like to sue the competition
Apple has the best record of suing any company who tries to sell Mac on their hardware

With PAP you are forced to vote for them else no upgrades
For Mac users, you can only buy your next machine from Apple again or else no more upgrades of Mac OS to the next version

Apple is 10 times worse then Microsoft when it comes to exploitation. So why are you so help bent against Microsoft and not said a word against the Mac

2)You do realize that Open source is a double edged sword. Everyone can view the source code so everyone can help to patch it at the same time everyone can view the source code so everyone dun even need to experiment how to hack it. The answer is right in front of them while trying to hack a closed software like a Mac or Windows, they need to first find weaknesses before they can exploit it

And although the idea behind open source is great, the fact of the matter is, most pple do not work for free. The vast majority of the greatest IT minds U can probably be sure that they are working for the pple who actually pays them There's a good reason why after so many years of trying to develop a a user interface user friendly enough for the average end user to use, be it Gnome, KDE , etc are still no where near as user friendly as Windows(dun take my word for it, go ask the tens of thousands of pple who returned their Linux netbook after using it for a few days) or the Mac OS.

True there are many open source programs out there that are free for download, however the vast majority of them are also watered down version of available commercial software. If open source program was really that great then please explain to me why anyone would even bother to start the Wine project and come up with software like Crossover(I'm sure as a Linux you should have heard of those) since Open source is so great, and everyone is participating to improve open source software, shouldn't they be light years ahead of the competition? It strange how just about every freaking software that Open source have compared to its commercial counterpart is

Finally everything from Open source is FREE. Why are you even charging any money. You should just teach for free since U are oh so noble and want to help them get liberated from using Windows

 

[Zombie]

also FREE SOFTWARE.... this FREE is not the same as 免费



http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html

 

[Char_Azn]

Before you start reading the rest, I want to make sure you have a good idea of where I stand. I have nothing against the Open Source movement or Linux in general. In fact one of my secondary system at home is running Linux which is why I am familiar with the software.

What I am totally against is the hypocrite Yap who always slam the local media for only telling propaganda or 1 side of the story, condemning the opposition and promoting PAP and never tells U the bad parts. Similarly as you can see in this thread, Yap does not practice what he preach. He only tells U the good side of Open source and not the not so good side of it. He openly condemns Windows but never tell U the entire truth.

I am here to educate the pple about the parts which the hypocrite Yap conveniently skips and choose not to tell others.

Go read up on encryption. If you know, then you'll be answering your own question. I'll help you out. It is like public office. If you are open and transparent, people can know where went wrong. If you are like PAP, who knows?

I know what Encryption is!!!!. However U miss the point. Put simply, Encryption is used to hide information from someone. However since Open source program source code are usually made freely available to everyone, Encryption is useless for preventing others from looking at your source code. U can only encrypt personal data to prevent it from unauthorized access. If there is something else encryption means, then I admit I have no idea what the F U are talking about

Then I'll ask you to ask those who switch from Mac from Windows. Did they say it is a breeze? I bet a lot also said it sucks. And vice versa. Point is, if you want something like Windows, stick to Windows. You don't move to another platform and expect to see the exact same damn thing.

If you've bothered to read most of my post you will realize that I have not asked them not to take the course. As stated earlier, I have nothing against Linux. In fact I even encouraged pple to try it

However if Uncle Yap is willing to provide his own test system, for pple who are interested in finding out what Linux is then I suggest those who are interested to go take a look and only install on your primary system after you have real hands on experience. Most pple I know however use Linux only as a secondary system. For me its mostly for testing and hosting of applications.

I have switch to Gnome for quite some time now. Initially it was tough but now, it is a breeze. If you can learn Windows, you can learn Gnome or KDE. Unless you are that dumb

I never said Gnome or KDE was bad, I said the GUI was nowhere as good as the interface found on a Mac or Windows

Crossover or Wine is for application that will never run on Linux like some games. How does that translate to Linux being inferior?

CrossOver Supported software includes
# Microsoft Office 2007, 2003, XP, 2000 and 97

* Microsoft Word
* Microsoft Excel
* Microsoft PowerPoint
* Microsoft Outlook
* Microsoft Access *1

# Microsoft Internet Explorer 6

http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxlinux/

It doesnt translate to Linux being inferior, its just makes one wonder why if M$ stuff are so inferior as Hypocrite Yap always proclaim, why in the world of F would the Open Source community want to use them.

As for commercial vs open source of the same product, commercial version is heavily customised by the company while for open source, you have to do it youself. In terms of performance etc, there is not one difference. It is not a watered down version. Obviously you are ignorant of these.

I'll just take the most commonly used commercial software vs its popular competition as an example
MS Office vs Open Office
Most pple advance users of MS Office will tell you that Open Office fulfills many functions that MS Office does however there are many advance features in MS Office that Open Office does not have. Many of them requires another software to be present or are either work in progress. Therein lies the problem. If it requires another software to be present before it can perform the task which a commercial software is able to do, then the program in question is not as complete.

If we go to more industrial used software, the gap is even wider. Try giving me some examples of anything that Open source can offer that comes anywhere close to SAP or Oracle or on a smaller scale, software like Microsoft's Navision. The fact is, Open source, even though it sounds good, cannot much up with commercial companies who hires the best with cold hard cash.

And U just reminded me of a very important point. In Open source, U have to do it yourself. What makes U think that pple who constantly get tricked into installing shareware along with the other programs that they downloaded from the web or jokers who can't even figure out where the any key is(I've met 2 so far) will be able to customize their own program

Did you know that Dell provides installation service for the PCs and notebook at a price? Isn't that dumb? Who the dell cannot assemble their own PCs? Ah ha.... now you see the similarities?

Did I mention that Dell cannot customize? Didn't I just mentioned that I just bought a Dell and yeah I customized it on their website. It's fairly limited in choices as compared to going shopping at Sim Lim. IIRC only said buying a branded PC is about the same price as a DIY at Sim Lim with something of similar specs. Plus for a branded PC U get a Windows License thrown in

Again your are missing the point. Open Source is meant to provide FREE SOFTWARE. Linux was never a platform for FREE SERVICE. Get your facts right dude.

No, U missed my point. As I've stated earlier in this post, Yap proclaimed that M$ is taking advantage of everyone. So since Linux is free and that Yap is so hell bent against ALL things M$, shouldn't he be giving the course for FREE so that the other Windows Users can be liberated. I'm sure more pple will attend if its free