A moderate muslim is considered lax and hypocrite by the Quran

[duluxe]

The Qur’an in numerous passages describes lax, or moderate Muslims, as being hypocrites deserving of scorn and persecution


9:68 Allah has promised the hypocrites, both men and women, and the disbelievers an everlasting stay in the Fire of Hell—it is sufficient for them. Allah has condemned them, and they will suffer a never-ending punishment.

9:69 You hypocrites are like those disbelievers before you. They were far superior to you in might and more abundant in wealth and children. They enjoyed their share in this life. You have enjoyed your share, just as they did. And you have engaged in idle talk, just as they did. Their deeds have become void in this world and the Hereafter. And it is they who are the true losers.

 

[Loofydralb]

Correct. Tell that to SG muslim ministers.

 

[duluxe]

Correct. Tell that to SG muslim ministers.

The muslim ministers must re-examined their faith in islam again.

Quran 9:73:
"O Prophet, carry out Jihád (struggle) against the disbelievers and hypocrites, and be strict with them. And their abode is Jahannam (Hell), and it is an evil terminus."

Quran 9:123:
"O you who believe, fight those disbelievers who are near you, and let them find severity in you. Know well that Allah is with the God-fearing.

 

[syed putra]

Early arabs after mohamed didn't have copies of quran with them. They studied works by Plato and Aristotle. Learned from the Romans, Greeks, Persians, Indians and China.
Current Muslims on the other hand are obsessed with the quran. They think it has everything from scientific knowledge to politics. They do not bother to read any other books besides the quran. Thats why muslim communities are regressing.

 

[duluxe]

Thats why muslim communities are regressing.

Muslim communities are progressing towards the values of Koran and way of life of the Prophet.

Syed, no matter how well you do in this forum, according to the Koran you will be burned in hell.

 

[mudhatter]

Early arabs after mohamed didn't have copies of quran with them. They studied works by Plato and Aristotle. Learned from the Romans, Greeks, Persians, Indians and China.
Current Muslims on the other hand are obsessed with the quran. They think it has everything from scientific knowledge to politics. They do not bother to read any other books besides the quran. Thats why muslim communities are regressing.

You are a CECA impostor pretending to be Melayu AND Muslim, and have been exposed before. Much like the threadstarter who is also a veritable ceca ah neh.

plenty of nominally muslim majority countries incl indonesia malaysia bangla burkina faso benin turkey tunisia kazakhstan turkmenistan azerbaijan exist.

their notable contribution to humanity in the intellectual sphere in the last century is approximately zero.


in other words, fanatic secularism has never, and will never, produce any benefits not in the here and not in the hereafter either.

there is ample empirical evidence, as cited above, to prove that assertion

 

[mudhatter]

The Qur’an in numerous passages describes lax, or moderate Muslims, as being hypocrites deserving of scorn and persecution


9:68 Allah has promised the hypocrites, both men and women, and the disbelievers an everlasting stay in the Fire of Hell—it is sufficient for them. Allah has condemned them, and they will suffer a never-ending punishment.

9:69 You hypocrites are like those disbelievers before you. They were far superior to you in might and more abundant in wealth and children. They enjoyed their share in this life. You have enjoyed your share, just as they did. And you have engaged in idle talk, just as they did. Their deeds have become void in this world and the Hereafter. And it is they who are the true losers.

you mean CECA religion encourages hypocrisy apart from promiscuity polytheism urine drinking caste system widow burning (sutee) burning sole (of feet) during thaipoosum and plenty of lies?

otherwise any right thinking person would have naturally gravitated towards and justified any ideology that rejects hypocrisy lies slander among a host of other malicious or negative behavioural trends

 

[mudhatter]

hmmm

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[syed putra]

Muslim communities are progressing towards the values of Koran and way of life of the Prophet.

Syed, no matter how well you do in this forum, according to the Koran you will be burned in hell.

We will be judged by our deeds. But muslims believe they will require merits by performing rituals instead.
Early muslims were indeed very different as they did not even bother to build mosques. And no quran for guidance as those were only available with the paper making know how that came after the battle of talas river in AD751.

plenty of nominally muslim majority countries incl indonesia malaysia bangla burkina faso benin turkey tunisia kazakhstan turkmenistan azerbaijan exist.

their notable contribution to humanity in the intellectual sphere in the last century is approximately zero.


in other words, fanatic secularism has never, and will never, produce any benefits not in the here and not in the hereafter either.

You are correct as arabs turned whatever message given by mohamed into a religion by the introduction of sunnahs and hadith. And maybe even the quran as it couldn't be verified by Mohamed himself as he never published it. So the quran is not really important if you look at it this way.
Once it became religion, those who follow are obsessed with rituals and read only the quran.
Plus arabs never recovered from the mongol sacking of Baghdad in 1253.and Muslims were obsessed with only the quran, memorizing it. That is why no progress and you can see after the Turks, the Europeans took over arab land as they have no answer to the might and weapons of western powers.
The west knew the futility of religion and hence chose secularism. And they are free to debate non anything including religion.
The Islamic areas, secularism is only in name. The Muslims deep inside, are stuck and wasting their effort learning and memorising the quran and senseless rituals.
There isn't much scientific knowledge in the quran. No need to look for answers there.
Seek guidance only from God. Unless you do not believe.

 

[mudhatter]

We will be judged by our deeds. But muslims believe they will require merits by performing rituals instead.
Early muslims were indeed very different as they did not even bother to build mosques. And no quran for guidance as those were only available with the paper making know how that came after the battle of talas river in AD751.

You are correct as arabs turned whatever message given by mohamed into a religion by the introduction of sunnahs and hadith. And maybe even the quran as it couldn't be verified by Mohamed himself as he never published it. So the quran is not really important if you look at it this way.
Once it became religion, those who follow are obsessed with rituals and read only the quran.
Plus arabs never recovered from the mongol sacking of Baghdad in 1253.and Muslims were obsessed with only the quran, memorizing it. That is why no progress and you can see after the Turks, the Europeans took over arab land as they have no answer to the might and weapons of western powers.
The west knew the futility of religion and hence chose secularism. And they are free to debate non anything including religion.
The Islamic areas, secularism is only in name. The Muslims deep inside, are stuck and wasting their effort learning and memorising the quran and senseless rituals.
There isn't much scientific knowledge in the quran. No need to look for answers there.
Seek guidance only from God. Unless you do not believe.

We know you are a CECA
And we know that you do not know what you talk about more often than not.

If the Arabs have not recovered from the Mongol sacking of Baghdad in 1258 - while today it is 2021 in the Christian calendar - then the Arabs have only themselves to blame. It's been 763 years by my calculations.

Nothing West of Palestine was ever touched by the Mongols. The Egyptians completely decimated the Mongols in the battle of Ayn Jalut. Comprehensive victory. Although it is argued that the Egyptian Mamluks (or "slaves") were ethnically Turks. Much like how melayun can be stinkyporean by citizenship. and cina babi can be malaysian by citizenship.

The simple fact is those races are losers that is why they were repeatedly defeated, subjugated, conquered, colonized.

The Quran has been memorized by hundreds of millions of people, if not billions, over 14+ centuries now.

No scope for errors there.

Greater scope for errors in biometric facial recognition or finger prints tech used nowadays for wide variety of reasons

 

[syed putra]

If the Arabs have not recovered from the Mongol sacking of Baghdad in 1258 - while today it is 2021 in the Christian calendar - then the Arabs have only themselves to blame. It's been 763 years by my calculations.

Thats because arabs were obssesed with the quran and rituals. The early arabs out of Arabia after mohamed were not.

 

[mudhatter]

Thats because arabs were obssesed with the quran and rituals. The early arabs out of Arabia after mohamed were not.

proof?

I have listed quite a few non-Arab nominally muslim majority/OIC countries

benin
burkina faso
bangla
turkey
kazakhstan
uzbekistan
malaysia
indonesia


NONE of them have contributed anything meaningful, anything notable in the intellectual sphere in the last 100 years, at least.

despite fanatically adhereing to the principles of secularism as a matter of state policy.

none of those countries are leaders or exemplars in any disciplines, for any peoples anywhere in the world.

moreover, the arabs west of palestine were never invaded by mongols. the mongols were completely routed in the battle of ayn jalut. why didn't the arabs west of palestine (in north africa) ever usher in the industrial revolution IT revolution, or any notable achievement in the intellectual sphere in the last 763 years?

 

[syed putra]

proof?

I have listed quite a few non-Arab nominally muslim majority/OIC countries

benin
burkina faso
bangla
turkey
kazakhstan
uzbekistan
malaysia
indonesia


NONE of them have contributed anything meaningful, anything notable in the intellectual sphere in the last 100 years, at least.

despite fanatically adhereing to the principles of secularism as a matter of state policy.

none of those countries are leaders or exemplars in any disciplines, for any peoples anywhere in the world.

moreover, the arabs west of palestine were never invaded by mongols. the mongols were completely routed in the battle of ayn jalut. why didn't the arabs west of palestine (in north africa) ever usher in the industrial revolution IT revolution, or any notable achievement in the intellectual sphere in the last 763 years?

By the time mongols invaded, it was already the dusk of arab rule. They were obsessed with religion. Once religion dominates, there can never be any intellectual discussion.

 

[mudhatter]

By the time mongols invaded, it was already the dusk of arab rule. They were obsessed with religion. Once religion dominates, there can never be any intellectual discussion.

you probably did not read this part

I have listed quite a few non-Arab nominally muslim majority/OIC countries

benin
burkina faso
bangla
turkey
kazakhstan
uzbekistan
malaysia
indonesia


NONE of them have contributed anything meaningful, anything notable in the intellectual sphere in the last 100 years, at least.

moreover, what is often ignored is that turkic donkeys have never produced a single civilization anywhere on earth

a good chunk of early Islamic scholars - scholars in both Islamic jurisprudence but also in the sciences philosophy medicine and such were also persians/iranians.

a valid and relevant question is why iranians have not produced any breakthroughs in the last 763 years either to get them to leap ahead of the West or the East Asian slanties?


it is understandable that copying or imitating is much easier than innovating, which is also much easier than inventing. to be inventive, to be creative, to be original, being ingenious is no mean feat

lack of IQ - both genetic and cultural IQ is the only explanation

 

[mojito]

What new? Oppie is consider traitor and ingrate.

 

[duluxe]

We will be judged by our deeds. But muslims believe they will require merits by performing rituals instead.
Early muslims were indeed very different as they did not even bother to build mosques. And no quran for guidance as those were only available with the paper making know how that came after the battle of talas river in AD751.

You are correct as arabs turned whatever message given by mohamed into a religion by the introduction of sunnahs and hadith. And maybe even the quran as it couldn't be verified by Mohamed himself as he never published it. So the quran is not really important if you look at it this way.
Once it became religion, those who follow are obsessed with rituals and read only the quran.
Plus arabs never recovered from the mongol sacking of Baghdad in 1253.and Muslims were obsessed with only the quran, memorizing it. That is why no progress and you can see after the Turks, the Europeans took over arab land as they have no answer to the might and weapons of western powers.
The west knew the futility of religion and hence chose secularism. And they are free to debate non anything including religion.
The Islamic areas, secularism is only in name. The Muslims deep inside, are stuck and wasting their effort learning and memorising the quran and senseless rituals.
There isn't much scientific knowledge in the quran. No need to look for answers there.
Seek guidance only from God. Unless you do not believe.

The non-arab muslims like to boast OIL is the gift of Allah to Arabs. But the arabs have been walking for thousands of year without even knowing it was under their feet. Lol.

 

[syed putra]

The non-arab muslims like to boast OIL is the gift of Allah to Arabs. But the arabs have been walking for thousands of year without even knowing it was under their feet. Lol.

initially, europeans hunted whsles for the oil. I have forgotten who discovered the oil underneath and saved the whale.

 

[rushifa666]

If you can smoke and drink hell beckons

 

[duluxe]

initially, europeans hunted whsles for the oil. I have forgotten who discovered the oil underneath and saved the whale.

Definitely not arabs or muslims. All the brutalities muslims committed against non-believers for 1400 years are encoded in the Quran.

 

[syed putra]

Definitely not arabs or muslims. All the brutalities muslims committed against non-believers for 1400 years are encoded in the Quran.

Initial conquest has very little fatalities as the arab armies were invited to liberate cities from harsh roman rule.