The religion of Peace: The central prayer of their faith anathematizes Jews and Christians!!!

[duluxe]

The final two verses of the Fatiha ask Allah:

Guide us to the straight path, the path of those upon whom You have bestowed favor, not of those who have evoked [Your] anger or of those who are astray.

The traditional Islamic understanding of this is that the “straight path” is Islam — cf. Islamic apologist John Esposito’s book Islam: The Straight Path — while the path “of those who have evoked Allah’s anger” are the Jews, and those who have gone “astray” are the Christians.

The classic Qur’anic commentator Ibn Kathir explains that “the two paths He described here are both misguided,” and that those “two paths are the paths of the Christians and Jews, a fact that the believer should beware of so that he avoids them. The path of the believers is knowledge of the truth and abiding by it. In comparison, the Jews abandoned practicing the religion, while the Christians lost the true knowledge. This is why ‘anger’ descended upon the Jews, while being described as ‘led astray’ is more appropriate of the Christians.”

Ibn Kathir’s understanding of this passage is not a lone “extremist” interpretation. In fact, most Muslim commentators believe that the Jews are those who have earned Allah’s wrath and the Christians are those who have gone astray.

This is the view of Tabari, Zamakhshari, the Tafsir al-Jalalayn, the Tanwir al-Miqbas min Tafsir Ibn Abbas, and Ibn Arabi, as well as Ibn Kathir. One contrasting, but not majority view, is that of Nisaburi, who says that “those who have incurred Allah’s wrath are the people of negligence, and those who have gone astray are the people of immoderation.”

Wahhabis drew criticism a few years back for adding “such as the Jews” and “such as the Christians” into parenthetical glosses on this passage in Qur’ans printed in Saudi Arabia.

Some Western commentators imagined that the Saudis originated this interpretation, and indeed the whole idea of Qur’anic hostility toward Jews and Christians. They found it inconceivable that Muslims all over the world would learn as a matter of course that the central prayer of their faith anathematizes Jews and Christians.

But unfortunately, this interpretation is venerable and mainstream in Islamic theology. The printing of the interpretation in parenthetical glosses into a translation would be unlikely to affect Muslim attitudes, since the Arabic text is always and everywhere normative in any case, and since so many mainstream commentaries contain the idea that the Jews and Christians are being criticized here.

Seventeen times a day, by the pious.

Jacob Blake’s father might not have been aware of this interpretation. At the same time, however, he could have chosen any kind of passage that called for unity, forgiveness, reconciliation. Instead, this..

 

[syed putra]

— cf. Islamic apologist John Esposito’s book Islam: The Straight Path — while the path “of those who have evoked Allah’s anger” are the Jews, and those who have gone “astray” are the Christians.

In my opinion, all those submitting to religion have gone astray.

 

[duluxe]

In my opinion, all those submitting to religion have gone astray.

Assuming Muhammed is not the last prophet and there is a third book, what would you inject regarding Jews, Christians and Muslims?

 

[syed putra]

I wouldn't get involve with any of them. Highly toxic.

 

[ilovechinesegal]

In my opinion, all those submitting to religion have gone astray.

Then u are also not in your own homeland! Your ancestors are from India even tough u are moslem! Malaya land is from orang asli and they are not moslem! Moslem then they change the name to m&ds!

Anyway, malaya land was taken by the ang mo and so it was lousy! Aft tat sg taken by the lee! Fair and square!

 

[syed putra]

Then u are also not in your own homeland! Your ancestors are from India even tough u are moslem! Malaya land is from orang asli and they are not moslem! Moslem then they change the name to m&ds!

Anyway, malaya land was taken by the ang mo and so it was lousy! Aft tat sg taken by the lee! Fair and square!

The spirit of the island is still malay, just as the spirit of taiwan is that of orang asli.

 

[ilovechinesegal]

The spirit of the island is still malay, just as the spirit of taiwan is that of orang asli.

Same! Taiwan was colonised by the Dutch aft tat the han chinese took control! Fair and square!

So all these u have to blame on the ang mo who started out first! Why nev blame on the ang mo?

 

[syed putra]

Same! Taiwan was colonised by the Dutch aft tat the han chinese took control! Fair and square!

So all these u have to blame on the ang mo who started out first! Why nev blame on the ang mo?

Ang mohs were witness to the people who first lived on the island and they were not chinese.

WE WERE HERE FIRST
Taiwan’s indigenous people remind Xi Jinping that it has “never belonged to China”

REUTERS/NICKY LOH
Still here.

By Isabella Steger
Asia deputy editor
January 9, 2019
With much of the world’s attention on Taiwan colored by its decades-long enmity with China, it can be easy to forget that centuries of history preceded the arrival of ethnic Chinese on the island.
In response to a recent speech by Xi Jinping in which he warned he would not rule out military means to force the unification of Taiwan with China, the island’s indigenous people issued an open letter addressed to the Chinese president to challenge Beijing’s claims.

Published yesterday (Jan. 8) in Chinese (link in Chinese) and translated here into English, the letter asserts that the various indigenous tribes of Taiwan, which have inhabited the land for 6,000 years, do not belong to the “so-called ‘Chinese nation,'” a reference to the oft-used rhetoric by Beijing that Taiwan is an inalienable part of China, and that it is a “historical conclusion” that Taiwan and China should be one country.
After the end of the Chinese Civil War in 1949, the defeated Nationalist forces fled to Taiwan and established a competing Chinese government there, while the Communist Party ruled from Beijing. Since then, Taiwan has governed itself and holds democratic elections, while Beijing has never relinquished its claims over the island. Forced to choose between the governments in Beijing and Taipei, almost all countries in the world have diplomatic relations with China, and only maintain quasi-diplomatic ties with Taiwan.
Lost amid all the military conflicts and great-power tussles of the 20th century, however, is the voice and history of Taiwan’s indigenous people, who today number over 500,000, or 2% of the country’s population. Like indigenous peoples in other countries in the world, they’ve experienced hundreds of years of exploitation and colonization from a series of conquerors. “We… have witnessed the deeds and words of those who came to this island, including the Spanish, the Dutch, the Koxinga Kingdom, the Qing Kingdom, the Japanese, and the Republic of China,” the letter says. Koxinga refers to the Japanese-born Chinese conqueror who fled Ming dynasty China to establish a government in Taiwan in 1661, then under Dutch control. Koxinga himself is claimed as a national hero (paywall) by Japan, Taiwan, and China, underscoring the complex history and notions of identity in that part of the world.

“We do not share the monoculturalism, unification, and hegemony promoted by you, Mr. Xi,” the letter asserts. “It is by far not a path to greatness.” It also noted the violations of human rights going on in parts of China such as Xinjiang, Tibet, and Hong Kong, and derided Xi’s offer of a “One Country, Two Systems” model for unification on those grounds.
The authors of the letter, representatives of two dozen of Taiwan’s indigenous tribes, also criticized the modern state of Taiwan as one that was built upon their “motherland” and said they have “have never given up [their] rightful claim to the sovereignty of Taiwan,” but acknowledged that since the election of president Tsai Ing-wen in 2016 the country has started recognizing the ethnic and cultural diversity of Taiwan.
Tsai was the first Taiwanese leader to apologize to the country’s indigenous people, and has pledged to bring about transitional justice to the population, which includes promoting historically accurate accounts of violations committed against indigenous people, and reparations for their suffering. She has also sought to play up (paywall) Taiwan’s ethnic diversity, in contrast to Xi’s promotion of ethnic Han culture over China’s ethnic and religious groups. However, many indigenous people believe that the Tsai government has reneged on its promises, for example by continuing to allow large corporations to build on their land—just the latest in the centuries-long struggle for indigenous rights in Taiwan.

 

[ilovechinesegal]

Ang mohs were witness to the people who first lived on the island and they were not chinese.

WE WERE HERE FIRST
Taiwan’s indigenous people remind Xi Jinping that it has “never belonged to China”

REUTERS/NICKY LOH
Still here.

By Isabella Steger
Asia deputy editor
January 9, 2019
With much of the world’s attention on Taiwan colored by its decades-long enmity with China, it can be easy to forget that centuries of history preceded the arrival of ethnic Chinese on the island.
In response to a recent speech by Xi Jinping in which he warned he would not rule out military means to force the unification of Taiwan with China, the island’s indigenous people issued an open letter addressed to the Chinese president to challenge Beijing’s claims.

Published yesterday (Jan. 8) in Chinese (link in Chinese) and translated here into English, the letter asserts that the various indigenous tribes of Taiwan, which have inhabited the land for 6,000 years, do not belong to the “so-called ‘Chinese nation,'” a reference to the oft-used rhetoric by Beijing that Taiwan is an inalienable part of China, and that it is a “historical conclusion” that Taiwan and China should be one country.
After the end of the Chinese Civil War in 1949, the defeated Nationalist forces fled to Taiwan and established a competing Chinese government there, while the Communist Party ruled from Beijing. Since then, Taiwan has governed itself and holds democratic elections, while Beijing has never relinquished its claims over the island. Forced to choose between the governments in Beijing and Taipei, almost all countries in the world have diplomatic relations with China, and only maintain quasi-diplomatic ties with Taiwan.
Lost amid all the military conflicts and great-power tussles of the 20th century, however, is the voice and history of Taiwan’s indigenous people, who today number over 500,000, or 2% of the country’s population. Like indigenous peoples in other countries in the world, they’ve experienced hundreds of years of exploitation and colonization from a series of conquerors. “We… have witnessed the deeds and words of those who came to this island, including the Spanish, the Dutch, the Koxinga Kingdom, the Qing Kingdom, the Japanese, and the Republic of China,” the letter says. Koxinga refers to the Japanese-born Chinese conqueror who fled Ming dynasty China to establish a government in Taiwan in 1661, then under Dutch control. Koxinga himself is claimed as a national hero (paywall) by Japan, Taiwan, and China, underscoring the complex history and notions of identity in that part of the world.

“We do not share the monoculturalism, unification, and hegemony promoted by you, Mr. Xi,” the letter asserts. “It is by far not a path to greatness.” It also noted the violations of human rights going on in parts of China such as Xinjiang, Tibet, and Hong Kong, and derided Xi’s offer of a “One Country, Two Systems” model for unification on those grounds.
The authors of the letter, representatives of two dozen of Taiwan’s indigenous tribes, also criticized the modern state of Taiwan as one that was built upon their “motherland” and said they have “have never given up [their] rightful claim to the sovereignty of Taiwan,” but acknowledged that since the election of president Tsai Ing-wen in 2016 the country has started recognizing the ethnic and cultural diversity of Taiwan.
Tsai was the first Taiwanese leader to apologize to the country’s indigenous people, and has pledged to bring about transitional justice to the population, which includes promoting historically accurate accounts of violations committed against indigenous people, and reparations for their suffering. She has also sought to play up (paywall) Taiwan’s ethnic diversity, in contrast to Xi’s promotion of ethnic Han culture over China’s ethnic and religious groups. However, many indigenous people believe that the Tsai government has reneged on its promises, for example by continuing to allow large corporations to build on their land—just the latest in the centuries-long struggle for indigenous rights in Taiwan.

i never say taiwan is under china! Taiwan shld be a nation itself and it is dominate by the han chinese! Taiwan gal i have fk b4! Fucking shiok! they have sweet voice and very well mannered!

 

[syed putra]

i never say taiwan is under china! Taiwan shld be a nation itself and it is dominate by the han chinese! Taiwan gal i have fk b4! Fucking shiok! they have sweet voice and very well mannered!

You bonked a nationalist, a hokkien, a hakka or orang asli like ah mei?

 

[JohnTan]

The spirit of the island is still malay, just as the spirit of taiwan is that of orang asli.

The spirit of the land, if any, should be orang asli, not m&d. They are culturally different and the m&ds hate the orang asli.

 

[ilovechinesegal]

You bonked a nationalist, a hokkien, a hakka or orang asli like ah mei?

Of cuz not ah mei! A pure han taiwanese chinese! She is chio and tall and slim slender!