Air Line Pilots Association disagrees with SIA's cost-cutting measures

[syed putra]

Pilots got strong libido?

Women just love pilots i guess.

 

[winners]

The issue is not just a pay cut to save SIA. Are the pay cuts equitable? The main issue is how SIA is run. Is SIA CEO and Mgmt Board able to legally and morally justify their pay cut proposals?

Like wise for SIAEC. The retrenchments were not legally and morally justifiable. Even NTUC said so.

So let arbitration take its cse and dont pre judge

The alternative is like what LKY had once challenged them: sack those unreasonable and demanding pilots. I'm pretty sure they won't get a replacement job so fast in the same vocation because almost all airlines are suffering now. SIA can start rehiring again 6 months prior to their anticipation of an improved situation.

 

[ckmpd]

The alternative is like what LKY had once challenged them: sack those unreasonable and demanding pilots. I'm pretty sure they won't get a replacement job so fast in the same vocation because almost all airlines are suffering now. SIA can start rehiring again 6 months prior to their anticipation of an improved situation.

Not sure whether legally SIA can sack someone for refusing to take a pay cut determined by the mgmt.

 

[winners]

Not sure whether legally SIA can sack someone for refusing to take a pay cut determined by the mgmt.

Of course the management will never use this reason. There are 1,001 ways to skin a cat.

 

[ckmpd]

Of course the management will never use this reason. There are 1,001 ways to skin a cat.

Risky to use other reasons. ALPHA S will bring SIA to court. Mgmt cant abuse its power

 

[winners]

Risky to use other reasons. ALPHA S will bring SIA to court. Mgmt cant abuse its power

Lai leow, lai leow......
SIA offers early retirement for pilots


SINGAPORE - Singapore Airlines (SIA) will be taking more drastic measures to rein in costs, including bigger pay cuts for the management, a 10 per cent salary reduction for other staff, and early retirement for ground staff and pilots.

The full quantum of the monthly variable component of salaries will be cut from Saturday (Aug 1), in accordance with the group's collective agreements with its unions after the first-quarter operating loss for SIA and its regional full-service arm SilkAir.

This amounts to 10 per cent of the basic salary for all staff below the level of manager, said SIA chief Goh Choon Phong in a notice to staff this week.

All staff who are at manager level and above will also have the cuts on their basic salary increased from Saturday.

Managers and senior managers will take a 12 per cent pay cut, up from 10 per cent, while vice-presidents and divisional vice-presidents will have a 15 per cent cut, up from 12 per cent.

Senior vice-presidents will see a 25 per cent decrease, up from 20 per cent, and executive vice-presidents will get a 30 per cent cut, up from 25 per cent.

This comes as the recovery trajectory in international air travel is weaker than initially expected, said Mr Goh, whose salary will be slashed by 35 per cent, up from 30 per cent.

"The number of (coronavirus) infections continues to rise globally, with some regions battling a second or third wave. Borders are likely to open only very slowly in the absence of a vaccine or an effective treatment."

The company will offer a Covid-19 special early retirement scheme to all ground staff and pilots next week. This will be available to those aged 50 and above, with at least 15 years of service, and up to the level of divisional vice-president.


Applications for early retirement will be subject to approval based on organisational and operational requirements. More details will be provided by the human resources division.

Mr Goh also told staff to brace for additional staff measures, given the slower growth trajectory and depressed market conditions.

"We will be engaging our staff unions on this and will announce the measures when they have been firmed up," he added.

"Our immediate priority is to do everything we can to survive this crisis and be ready for the long trudge ahead of us."

The SIA group announced a net loss of $1.12 billion for the first quarter ended June 30, as demand for international air travel and the group's airlines plummeted amid travel restrictions caused by the Covid-19 pandemic.

In his memo to staff, seen by The Straits Times, Mr Goh shared that industry experts, including the International Air Transport Association (IATA) and International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO), have revised downwards their projections for the recovery of global passenger traffic. They now forecast that it will take between two to four years for passenger traffic numbers to return to pre-pandemic levels.

Amid the ongoing border controls and travel restrictions, and without a domestic market to fall back on, the group operated only 5 per cent of its passenger capacity during the April-June 2020 quarter compared to pre-Covid-19 levels.

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"The load factor for that skeletal network was at 10.2 per cent for the quarter, down from 83.4 per cent," said Mr Goh. "We carried a total of only 38,000 customers during those three months - a whopping 99.6 per cent drop from almost 9.4 million a year before."

He said the current view for planning purposes is that the group's passenger capacity will likely be below 50 per cent of its pre-Covid-19 levels by the end of the financial year.

Mr Goh added that the group needs to be prepared for "a long and hard Covid-19 induced winter".

Shares of Singapore Airlines (SIA) fell to their lowest in more than 21 years on Thursday. It tumbled by as much as 5.1 per cent to $3.35, the lowest intraday price since September 1998, before paring to close 3.12 per cent lower at $3.42.

 

[ckmpd]

Of course the management will never use this reason. There are 1,001 ways to skin a cat.

Seems that not many people can see my point that SIA mgmt might have miscalculated and not been fair to the lower paid

 

[ginfreely]

Pilots are biggest screwers of other peoples wife from what i can tell. They get to brag and impress.

They must have screwed your Malaysian slut wife then. The only pilots I know in life are my two ex bosses including LJ Mccully and I am not aware they screwed other people’s wife.

 

[ginfreely]

The issue is not just a pay cut to save SIA. Are the pay cuts equitable? The main issue is how SIA is run. Is SIA CEO and Mgmt Board able to legally and morally justify their pay cut proposals?

Like wise for SIAEC. The retrenchments were not legally and morally justifiable. Even NTUC said so.

So let arbitration take its cse and dont pre judge

Many European and USA airlines are already cutting staff by 20 or 30000 or 20 or 30%, so a pay cut for SIA staff is nothing lah. The pilots are shameless and greedy to fight over pay cut when other pilots in other airlines have their jobs cut.

 

[ginfreely]

As a Captain, pilot always think just cos they are highly paid, they command respect.

But i cant say of those Captains fm SBS transit though.

Ya truth to be told commercial airline pilots are overpaid drivers lah. Not fighter plane pilots with mission and difficulty to fly.

 

[ginfreely]

SIA CEO will have to take a bigger pay cut than just 35%. Just wait and watch how this show plays out. I am glad that Alpha S challenges SIA Mgmt. SIA will be more careful when they recommend the next cut.

Dont let SIA bully the workers. Dont let PAP bully Singaporeans

You haven’t been bullied by pilots yet. They are biggest bully lah. Look at me fired for nothing except loudly protesting against LJ Mccully is enough proof. They have been overpaid drivers and given over respect to the extent they think they are entitled to judge a woman a slut.

 

[ginfreely]

At a time where the entire aviation industry is collapsing or living on government aid, I doubt the pilots will get much public sympathy when they complain about early retirement and a 23% pay cut.

From what I hear around SIA pilots seem to be paid around 200k - 250k p.a. on average and even with a 23% reduction the resulting amount is still way ahead of most PMEs in Singapore.

Ya pilots earn much more than fresh graduate right from the start of their career and in ten years time they become captain just by virtue of their flying hours and will earn director pay without doing director job.

 

[zeddy]

You haven’t been bullied by pilots yet. They are biggest bully lah. Look at me fired for nothing except loudly protesting against LJ Mccully is enough proof. They have been overpaid drivers and given over respect to the extent they think they are entitled to judge a woman a slut.

You worked for SIA before as a stewardess or in a managerial post? Just asking.

 

[ginfreely]

No flying means no flying allowance...their base salary just like a stewardess is probably low and for the pilots maybe 8k to 15k basic depending on seniority so a 20 plus % cut for them is indeed painful since no allowance and bonus for many months already...agree with ckmpd sia is just a horrendous company they ask the lower rank staff to cut 10% whereas the govt wage subsidy which is more than that goes into the company's p and l
https://www.iras.gov.sg/irashome/Schemes/Businesses/Jobs-Support-Scheme--JSS-/
https://research.sginvestors.io/2020/07/sia-engineering-dbs-group-research-2020-07-20.html?m=1
https://www.todayonline.com/singapo...e-more-singaporeans-foreigners-unions-stepped
Using tax payers $ to? "pad" their p and l in a creative way and cut workers salary just isn't right...anyway who did they vote for

But the pilots didn’t fly means they didn’t work and are paid multiple thousands of dollars for doing nothing. The pilot jobs should be cut and not just the pay. That’s what other airlines did or doing.

 

[ginfreely]

Yes, glad that you see through sia mgmt's bad schemes. The CEO gets solid pay whereas the pilots and stewardesses get more allowances than their basic pay. Their pay is not very high. No flying means no allowances. so to cut 23% is a lot of money to them after they get zero allowances

If pilots pay are not high, then other graduates pay at a fraction of their pay are real peanuts. Don’t forget they work a fraction of the normal working time too. The last I heard 13 days in a month.

 

[ginfreely]

That's why pro businesses environment and govt do not like to deal with pesky union.

How do the other European and American airlines cut the pilot jobs then? They have unions too.

 

[ginfreely]

The alternative is like what LKY had once challenged them: sack those unreasonable and demanding pilots. I'm pretty sure they won't get a replacement job so fast in the same vocation because almost all airlines are suffering now. SIA can start rehiring again 6 months prior to their anticipation of an improved situation.

Ya that’s what Angmoh companies did to cut staff and rehire when quarantine is over isn’t it? For American Airlines they also just commit to hire them only until the agreed period - September or so as per government bailout terms - and have indicated to cut pilot and other management and ground jobs after that.

 

[ginfreely]

Not sure whether legally SIA can sack someone for refusing to take a pay cut determined by the mgmt.

Well they can and did sack me for nothing so why pilots are sacred and cannot be sacked?

 

[ginfreely]

Of course the management will never use this reason. There are 1,001 ways to skin a cat.

Is it why is sia management so kind to pilots but so unkind to me that have helped them to clear the shit at Singapore Flying college under SIA?

 

[ginfreely]

You worked for SIA before as a stewardess or in a managerial post? Just asking.

I am the most unlucky finance manager in the whole world to work for SFC which is a training school of sia pilots and a small subsidiary of sia.