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Serious Sign Of A Coming Economic Collapse

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How American Airlines' Mass Layoffs Could Be A Sign Of A Coming Economic Collapse
Erik Sherman
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American Airlines AAL -4.3% readies itself—or, rather, its employees—for a bitter pill.
Breaking news: American Airlines has given official notice that it could lay off as many as 25,000 employees, as Reuters reporter David Shepardson tweeted, although the company hopes that it will be fewer.
While American Airlines "believed demand for air travel would steadily rebound by Oct. 1," that didn't happen. And so, 25,000 employees will receive "Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification" letters.

If, of course, there are replacement jobs. Certainly not in airline transportation because American isn't an outlier. The entire industry is troubled. How many of the carriers, their executives, and their investors now regret the billions spent on share buybacks?
People largely don't want to fly at this point. (If they did, the airlines wouldn't be in trouble.)
It's too easy to call online meetings, as started to happen back during the SARS pandemic, but which has kicked in more easily this time. No need for special video conferencing rooms or additional software. Everything is readily available if not already at hand.
Patterns of air travel are likely to switch, at least for a long stretch, where the business users that bolstered revenues and margins largely won't be there. That leaves the cheap seats favored by travelers, many of whom also aren't interested in being locked into a metal cylinder for hours with people they don't know who might decide not to wear a mask while drinking coffee.
That person could even momentarily be you, scaring off other potential passengers, unless you can tank up on liquid at the start and hold off until you land, like a flying camel.
The airlines don't operate in isolation. Hotels are in trouble and also performing mass layoffs. Then there's ground transportation. Restaurants. Tours. Attractions. All of them, particularly the numerous smaller providers, will continue to shed employees as reasonably run states reestablish closings after spikes in the number of cases. Because they were too anxious to reopen.
When the Federal Reserve estimated unemployment levels of 9% going into 2021, were the forecasters being realistic? Or is this a case of changing events pushing previous estimates out the window?
The absolute top national unemployment rate during the Great Recession was 10%. What if the country hits that level, or even more, for an extended period of time?
One problem with economics is that even the experts are limited in their understanding. These are complex systems, not laboratory experiments or devices and software designed to do one thing or another. Trying to understand them is incredibly difficult and gross simplifications, while useful in some ways, aren't reality.
In 2008, the U.S. economy collapsed after the trigger of housing. There were many existing problems that provided massive kindling.
Material like the income inequality that is even worse today than at that time. Investment and innovation in financial engineering and rent-taking, so paper profits mount up without actual investments in anything more tangible and ongoing, is just as pronounced if not more so.
What starts an economic collapse? It doesn't begin across the board. One sector, sufficiently large and intertwined with others, historically has been enough. Job losses in that area create people unable to spend money in others. An increasing number of companies in more and more industries see slower business and reduce headcount, which means more people out of a job who can't spend money.
Eventually the economic problems hit bottom, but there's no way to tell how far down that could be. Until then, you have a vicious circle in which downturns reinforce themselves.
That brings us back to today. Assuming that people will find other jobs at a time when unemployment is already at a relatively high point is foolish. Offering people a bonus for returning to work rather than continuing enhanced unemployment insurance protection is silly. If the job is available, the person isn't eligible for unemployment. If it's not, they don’t find the job and, so, don’t get the bonus. Such things are feel-good measures in which politicians and leaders who aren't thinking want to pretend that they are.
Is it dangerous for the government to keep spending money it doesn't have? Possibly. Anyone who knew for certain and could tell what might happen would likely be in line for a Nobel.
Discussions of modern monetary theory and whether a country can keep creating currency without danger, so long as inflation doesn't spike, are so much opinion. The difficulty is that no one, the supporters or the detractors, knows for certain what might happen.
The Keynesian concept of government stimulating demand through deficit spending was only half the idea. The other: when times improved, countries would pay down their debt before the next difficult time a stimulus was necessary. The country incurs debt and then pays it down, rather than, as many states do, build up a rainy-day fund in advance to have it available to spend down when necessary.
Collectively, we in the U.S. are neither prudent nor wise. During the longest growth period in our history, one administration and Congress after another spent recklessly, driving up the national debt. Voters and the media didn’t hold them accountable.
For decades, there have been no reserves from which to draw. But now we face a need to pour money back to be sure individuals—the source of 68% of GDP—are able to remain afloat.
Should they have saved? Naturally. Would that have been far more likely and possible had not systems intentionally driven wealth upwards, increasingly concentrating it into the hands of a relative few? Of course.
To not support everyone—rather than contemplate more tax cuts for those already bloated with wealth who float upon a sea of humanity—would be reckless and should be unthinkable. Sadly, little is. Which is why disaster might be just around the corner.
 
All airlines, F&B and hospitality businesses are fucked.

Now you begin to understand why the PAP govt is trying to psycho Sinkies to do staycations. :wink:
 
No one in govt is telling the truth.The facts are : we are still in COVID-19 CODE RED .We are now in economic recession although MOF announced on 19-7-2020 that $4 billion in Jobs Support Scheme payouts will be disbursed to employers from July 29.
 
Nah the world isn''t going to collapse. Economic growth will be poor. Tourism will be down. All industry related to tourism will be down. Air travel will be down. High end F&B establishments will be down. F&B that sell on ambience will be down. F&B that target dine in will be down.

Other than that, should be still business going on. More online.

If the world is going to collapse the first indicator will be Singapore. A small tiny city state with absolutely no natural resources. Totally 100% dependent on external imports for food and essential supplies.

The first to go will be Singapore. If Singapore hasn't collapsed then you don't have to worry. :wink:
 
Better start bringing my lunch box to work and cook my own dinner. Cannot afford even hawker food if what they predict is coming.
 
Better start bringing my lunch box to work and cook my own dinner. Cannot afford even hawker food if what they predict is coming.

You wont even have food to prepare your own dinner if what they predict is coming. Singapore will have no food. Nobody is going to export any food period.

Sinkies will be in trouble. Money will be useless.
 
You wont even have food to prepare your own dinner if what they predict is coming. Singapore will have no food. Nobody is going to export any food period.

Sinkies will be in trouble. Money will be useless.
when that happens, they reopen borders
haaaaa
 
Not so much of a collapse but more of a redistribution of funds so called the new normal...all us banks less wells fargo are doing well with exceptional gains in trading income, the aviation tourism and fnb industries are hit hardest but there was corresponding flows of funds into it and medical...so morale of the story a skill is more important than an academic cert, those doing biz need to have a full year of capital and cash to survive and lastly 自己靠自己
 
It sound like dooms day to Sinkieland, this can be a blessing cos Lee Dynasty be first to run road.
 
SAF need re-trained NsMen on weaponary handling course and women on medical assistance procedure.

stop the NDP BS!
 
Hello folks, good morning, haven't been here for a really long time.
Forgot my login credentials and created a new one.
OMG what has this SBF legacy became? What a pity.

Anway, QUOTE:"One problem with economics is that even the experts are limited in their understanding. These are complex systems, not laboratory experiments or devices and software designed to do one thing or another. Trying to understand them is incredibly difficult and gross simplifications, while useful in some ways, aren't reality."

I know, talk like no talk... KNN...
 
Hello folks, good morning, haven't been here for a really long time.
Forgot my login credentials and created a new one.
OMG what has this SBF legacy became? What a pity.

Anway, QUOTE:"One problem with economics is that even the experts are limited in their understanding. These are complex systems, not laboratory experiments or devices and software designed to do one thing or another. Trying to understand them is incredibly difficult and gross simplifications, while useful in some ways, aren't reality."

I know, talk like no talk... KNN...

What was your old nick?

What legacy? Still same as far as I see.
 
Better start bringing my lunch box to work and cook my own dinner. Cannot afford even hawker food if what they predict is coming.
Don't do this if you still get salary. Reducing spending will worsen the economy. Money needs to flow.
 
What was your old nick?

What legacy? Still same as far as I see.

It's been really a long time. I remembered I was planning a trip to DongGuan and read 100-200 pages to confirm where should I go in DG.
Met up with a Samster (regular DG goer) in DG. That's about it as far as I can remember.

What legacy? It's popularity. It was so infamous or famous that even sg authorities were getting intel from it. That's a legacy man! Hehehe...

Since covid lockdown, I'm bored and looked at SBF again for some amusement to begin with, but some members here are wasting resources and most importantly making a popular Singaporean forum less popular.

That's as far as I can see.

In short, anyhow "fuck" on multiple fronts, e.g. ginfreely... this account should be put into a new category like SDC (SBF Detention Center) without "trial"... make her kena Section 5$ indefinitely... hahaha...

Just one of the examples. Definitely not including yourself, nayr69sg.
 
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It's been really a long time. I remembered I was planning a trip to DongGuan and read 100-200 pages to confirm where should I go in DG.
Met up with a Samster (regular DG goer) in DG. That's about it as far as I can remember.

What legacy? It's popularity. It was so infamous or famous that even sg authorities were getting intel from it. That's a legacy man! Hehehe...

Since covid lockdown, I'm bored and looked at SBF again for some amusement to begin with, but some members here are wasting resources and most importantly making a popular Singaporean forum less popular.

That's as far as I can see.

In short, anyhow "fuck" on multiple fronts, e.g. ginfreely... this account should be put into a new category like SDC (SBF Detention Center) without "trial"... make her kena Section 5$ indefinitely... hahaha...

Just one of the examples. Definitely not including yourself, nayr69sg.
There is an ignore function. Click on the name and choose ignore.

Problem solved.
 
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