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GE2020 - Be Prepared for a Surprise

LordElrond

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So... there is widespread believe the PAP will have a resounding victory with increased popular vote. Maybe. Maybe not. For all you old farts who have kids in their 20s, you might very well understand this new generation of voters are quite different from their brain washed parents, the majority of whom benefit from some form of property bubble. The new generation is feeling the pinch. Jobs do not come as easily compared to their parents era. Properties are beyond reach. These young folks don’t give a fuck on the bombastic credentials of PAP candidates. They stick with simple logic of democracy and accountability. I am counting on them to give PAP a black eye.
 

Patriot

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So... there is widespread believe the PAP will have a resounding victory with increased popular vote. Maybe. Maybe not. For all you old farts who have kids in their 20s, you might very well understand this new generation of voters are quite different from their brain washed parents, the majority of whom benefit from some form of property bubble. The new generation is feeling the pinch. Jobs do not come as easily compared to their parents era. Properties are beyond reach. These young folks don’t give a fuck on the bombastic credentials of PAP candidates. They stick with simple logic of democracy and accountability. I am counting on them to give PAP a black eye.

Conversation between SBF's chief PAP's porlumpar & me in another thread:
"JohnTan said:
Not really bothering to count. I think the only the WP will win one elected seat in their usual Hougang SMC.

Patriot said:

93 seats are contested.

So, you are predicting that PAP will win 92 seats?"


Let's ensure that the alternative parties will secure a greater victory in GE2020.
 

nayr69sg

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So... there is widespread believe the PAP will have a resounding victory with increased popular vote. Maybe. Maybe not. For all you old farts who have kids in their 20s, you might very well understand this new generation of voters are quite different from their brain washed parents, the majority of whom benefit from some form of property bubble. The new generation is feeling the pinch. Jobs do not come as easily compared to their parents era. Properties are beyond reach. These young folks don’t give a fuck on the bombastic credentials of PAP candidates. They stick with simple logic of democracy and accountability. I am counting on them to give PAP a black eye.
Yeah but what percentage of votes does this young group take up?

Not enough votes.

Still majority older age groups
 

ftan42

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Yeah but what percentage of votes does this young group take up?

Not enough votes.

Still majority older age groups

rough est. wild guess, pls correct
young(age 21 -40) voters apr. 600000
middle(age 40 -60) voters apr. 600000
PG and MG voters apr. 500000
New SC apr. rest of voters
 

laksaboy

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The new shittyzens might also be quite annoyed with how the PAP govt had handled the pandemic. Don't think that their votes are locked on for the PAP. :wink:
 

nayr69sg

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rough est. wild guess, pls correct
young(age 21 -40) voters apr. 600000
middle(age 40 -60) voters apr. 600000
PG and MG voters apr. 500000
New SC apr. rest of voters
I thought SG aging population? How many years low birth rates already?

I would say 21 to 40 is more like 350,000
 

tanwahtiu

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Dont be surprise it is a simple self consciousness to vote for a change.

10 weeks of lockdown can change the thinking.

Seeing more young new generation kids in their 20s are getting into politic shows they want a change.

The baby boomers are all in their 60s, 70s, 80s y.o range, and this 2020GE can be their last chance to test their guts vote for opposition before they die.... and nothing to lose anyway. All the bs and scare tactic is enough. Cut the crap....

Also baby boomers hv more guts to vote oppos this time, to hv his children more fighting guts to join politic and make a different or change the world.

Baby boomers hv seen their children become adults 成了 大人.... time to support them play the power sharing politic and dont be in their way to make them change the power hand...

This 2020GE is a like ride sharing Uber gig.... power sharing in politic...

Time to Uber the parliament power sharing....

Tioboh hope this helps
Psst...psst...if you like my bullshit click the like button...
 

nayr69sg

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Dont be surprise it is a simple self consciousness to vote for a change.

10 weeks of lockdown can change the thinking.

Seeing more young new generation kids in their 20s are getting into politic shows they want a change.

The baby boomers are all in their 60s, 70s, 80s y.o range, and this 2020GE can be their last chance to test their guts vote for opposition before they die.... and nothing to lose anyway. All the bs and scare tactic is enough. Cut the crap....

Also baby boomers hv more guts to vote oppos this time, to hv his children more fighting guts to join politic and make a different or change the world.

Baby boomers hv seen their children become adults 成了 大人.... time to support them play the power sharing politic and dont be in their way to make them change the power hand...

This 2020GE is a like ride sharing Uber gig.... power sharing in politic...

Time to Uber the parliament power sharing....

Tioboh hope this helps
Psst...psst...if you like my bullshit click the like button...
You posted good. No bullshit.
 

tanwahtiu

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Loyal
Ride sharing Uber has change the world and they are created by the young generations.

Taxi generation is dead and ride sharing Uber is here to stay and surprising become better... so why not power sharing in parliament..

Time for Uber the parliament power sharing is the way to better Singapore to move into power sharing politic....
 
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Sideswipe

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hope the Oppo pleading for no parliament wipeout can bring back some middle ground voters to the fold. but think the die is cast, it's looking grim for the Oppo.
 

mojito

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So... there is widespread believe the PAP will have a resounding victory with increased popular vote. Maybe. Maybe not. For all you old farts who have kids in their 20s, you might very well understand this new generation of voters are quite different from their brain washed parents, the majority of whom benefit from some form of property bubble. The new generation is feeling the pinch. Jobs do not come as easily compared to their parents era. Properties are beyond reach. These young folks don’t give a fuck on the bombastic credentials of PAP candidates. They stick with simple logic of democracy and accountability. I am counting on them to give PAP a black eye.
Unlike Lee. :unsure:
 

nayr69sg

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If there is to be any shock it will be a total change of govt.

It will happen because everyone so angry they say I cannot bring myself to vote this party anymore. But I think everyone else will vote that party. So I want more opposition.

Then suddenly results day everyone voted the other party! Govt change!

https://eightleaves.com/2015/05/how-the-ndp-won-the-2015-alberta-election



MAY
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How the NDP Won the 2015 Alberta Election
Posted by Sridhar Mutyala at 11:46 AM · No Comments
After 44 years of PC rule, Albertans voted in a majority NDP government in Tuesday’s election. The result surprised many even though polls were predicting an NDP landslide. Wherever you fit on the political spectrum, until it happened, it didn’t seem possible.
So how did it happen? The fall (or death) of the PC dynasty. Rachel Notley and the impression she made on Albertans. Naheed Nenshi nudging Calgary voters to be open to alternatives. Prominent businessmen hectoring Edmontonians to stick with the status quo. Alberta’s changing demographics. Or how about mirrors, downturns, hope, fear, or math?
During the campaign, Jim Prentice dismissed the possibility of Albertans electing an NDP government, because, in his words, Alberta is not an NDP province. In the election aftermath, some suggested that, once you got past voter anger, the reason for the big NDP win was the province’s gradual shift to the left.
So does an NDP majority mean that Alberta is now an NDP province? Or is there some other explanation available in the voting data? Let’s start with a list of the NDP’s seats and compare the party’s share of the popular vote to the combined share of the PC and Wildrose parties.
ndp-ridings-2015
The NDP had strong support in Edmonton and some surrounding communities as well as Lethbridge and Calgary Fort. But its remaining seats, in Calgary and other parts of central and northern Alberta, were won with a very slim margin in ridings where the majority of voters chose the parties on the right.
Support for the NDP clearly surged in this election, but where did the support come from? From a fired up base? From new voters? From voters switching from other parties? Or from habitual non-voters who decided to cast a ballot this time around?
To explore these questions, we built a mathematical model for the riding results data. We assumed that voters could be split into groups based on the party they’re most likely to support or align with. We also assumed that voters in each group don’t unconditionally vote for their aligned party; they could vote for other parties. Finally, we assumed that different ridings are made up of a mixture of these different voter groups.
We divided the voter population into 5 groups, 4 groups for voters aligned to each of the 4 major parties and 1 group for everyone else. Our objective function was the difference between the model’s predicted vote results and the actual vote results for each party in each riding. We defined 2 constraints: the probabilities assigned to parties in a group must sum to 1, and the group proportions in a riding must sum to 1. We then used the scipy optimization module to find the party preferences for each group and the group proportions for each riding that minimized the objective function.
The table below shows the party preferences (rows) for the 5 voting groups (columns) in the 2015 election. The numbers in each column represent the probability that the voters in the group will select the given political party. The percentage at the bottom of each column is the group’s proportion of the total voter population.
Voting groups in 2015:
groups-2015
The first group of voters preferred the Widrose party. Their probability of choosing the Wildrose was 43%, the PC party 14%, and the NDP 9%. They were 33% likely to not vote, and they made up 30% of the voting population.
The NDP group wasn’t the biggest, but it was the most likely to vote and the least likely to seek alternatives. The party also drew support from all the other groups, even the Wildrose. The NDP was even the choice of the non-voter group when it decided to vote.
So, a fired up base, support from other camps, and folks coming in from the sidelines plus other party supporters more likely to stay home and less likely to stay loyal — that’s the NDP story in 2015.
Voting groups in 2012:
groups-2012
The NDP group grew from 9% of the voter population in 2012 to 21% in 2015. This didn’t happen at the expense of the two conservative groups. Their total share remained about the same between the two elections (around 47%; voters migrated from the PC to the Wildrose group but stayed in the conservative fold).
The new NDP voters seemed to have come primarily from the non-voter group (which saw its share decline by 9%). This suggests the party courted and converted previous non-voters and increased its viability with other voter groups to expand its constituency. (Check out how this data-driven analysis lines up with what the party leaders had to say about their election strategy.)
Both these trends should concern conservatives. The NDP has gotten much better at political life, and Albertans like and trust the party’s leader. What should concern them more still is how homogeneous the PC and Wildrose groups really are (check the second and third choice parties for each group) and what this means for the unite the right movement.
In response to Jim Prentice, Rachel Notley said that “Albertans will decide what sort of province Alberta is.” Alberta may not be an NDP province yet (most Alberta voters are still in the Wildrose and PC camps), but you can sort of see it from here.
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birdie69

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The new shittyzens might also be quite annoyed with how the PAP govt had handled the pandemic. Don't think that their votes are locked on for the PAP. :wink:
The new citizens are not daft type, most of them are highly educated and they would vote wisely, the are also quite concerned about their jobs being displaced by foreign PMET under CECA agreement, the future of their children
 

Sideswipe

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If there is to be any shock it will be a total change of govt.

It will happen because everyone so angry they say I cannot bring myself to vote this party anymore. But I think everyone else will vote that party. So I want more opposition.

Then suddenly results day everyone voted the other party! Govt change!

https://eightleaves.com/2015/05/how-the-ndp-won-the-2015-alberta-election



MAY
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How the NDP Won the 2015 Alberta Election
Posted by Sridhar Mutyala at 11:46 AM · No Comments
After 44 years of PC rule, Albertans voted in a majority NDP government in Tuesday’s election. The result surprised many even though polls were predicting an NDP landslide. Wherever you fit on the political spectrum, until it happened, it didn’t seem possible.
So how did it happen? The fall (or death) of the PC dynasty. Rachel Notley and the impression she made on Albertans. Naheed Nenshi nudging Calgary voters to be open to alternatives. Prominent businessmen hectoring Edmontonians to stick with the status quo. Alberta’s changing demographics. Or how about mirrors, downturns, hope, fear, or math?
During the campaign, Jim Prentice dismissed the possibility of Albertans electing an NDP government, because, in his words, Alberta is not an NDP province. In the election aftermath, some suggested that, once you got past voter anger, the reason for the big NDP win was the province’s gradual shift to the left.
So does an NDP majority mean that Alberta is now an NDP province? Or is there some other explanation available in the voting data? Let’s start with a list of the NDP’s seats and compare the party’s share of the popular vote to the combined share of the PC and Wildrose parties.
ndp-ridings-2015
The NDP had strong support in Edmonton and some surrounding communities as well as Lethbridge and Calgary Fort. But its remaining seats, in Calgary and other parts of central and northern Alberta, were won with a very slim margin in ridings where the majority of voters chose the parties on the right.
Support for the NDP clearly surged in this election, but where did the support come from? From a fired up base? From new voters? From voters switching from other parties? Or from habitual non-voters who decided to cast a ballot this time around?
To explore these questions, we built a mathematical model for the riding results data. We assumed that voters could be split into groups based on the party they’re most likely to support or align with. We also assumed that voters in each group don’t unconditionally vote for their aligned party; they could vote for other parties. Finally, we assumed that different ridings are made up of a mixture of these different voter groups.
We divided the voter population into 5 groups, 4 groups for voters aligned to each of the 4 major parties and 1 group for everyone else. Our objective function was the difference between the model’s predicted vote results and the actual vote results for each party in each riding. We defined 2 constraints: the probabilities assigned to parties in a group must sum to 1, and the group proportions in a riding must sum to 1. We then used the scipy optimization module to find the party preferences for each group and the group proportions for each riding that minimized the objective function.
The table below shows the party preferences (rows) for the 5 voting groups (columns) in the 2015 election. The numbers in each column represent the probability that the voters in the group will select the given political party. The percentage at the bottom of each column is the group’s proportion of the total voter population.
Voting groups in 2015:
groups-2015
The first group of voters preferred the Widrose party. Their probability of choosing the Wildrose was 43%, the PC party 14%, and the NDP 9%. They were 33% likely to not vote, and they made up 30% of the voting population.
The NDP group wasn’t the biggest, but it was the most likely to vote and the least likely to seek alternatives. The party also drew support from all the other groups, even the Wildrose. The NDP was even the choice of the non-voter group when it decided to vote.
So, a fired up base, support from other camps, and folks coming in from the sidelines plus other party supporters more likely to stay home and less likely to stay loyal — that’s the NDP story in 2015.
Voting groups in 2012:
groups-2012
The NDP group grew from 9% of the voter population in 2012 to 21% in 2015. This didn’t happen at the expense of the two conservative groups. Their total share remained about the same between the two elections (around 47%; voters migrated from the PC to the Wildrose group but stayed in the conservative fold).
The new NDP voters seemed to have come primarily from the non-voter group (which saw its share decline by 9%). This suggests the party courted and converted previous non-voters and increased its viability with other voter groups to expand its constituency. (Check out how this data-driven analysis lines up with what the party leaders had to say about their election strategy.)
Both these trends should concern conservatives. The NDP has gotten much better at political life, and Albertans like and trust the party’s leader. What should concern them more still is how homogeneous the PC and Wildrose groups really are (check the second and third choice parties for each group) and what this means for the unite the right movement.
In response to Jim Prentice, Rachel Notley said that “Albertans will decide what sort of province Alberta is.” Alberta may not be an NDP province yet (most Alberta voters are still in the Wildrose and PC camps), but you can sort of see it from here.
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the limited SG polls indicated a PAP landslide victory in GE 2020.
 

mscitw

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The House of Lee regime will win big, question is more than 75%??

pap-sure-to-win.jpg
 
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