Why covid-19 is so much worse than flu

[winnipegjets]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...814588-9ba5-11ea-a2b3-5c3f2d1586df_story.html

Researchers who examined the lungs of patients killed by covid-19 found evidence that it attacks the lining of blood vessels there, a critical difference from the lungs of people who died of the flu, according to a report published Thursday in the New England Journal of Medicine.
Critical parts of the lungs of patients infected with the novel coronavirus also suffered many microscopic blood clots and appeared to respond to the attack by growing tiny new blood vessels, the researchers reported.
The observations in a small number of autopsied lungs buttress reports from physicians treating covid-19 patients. Doctors have described widespread damage to blood vessels and the presence of blood clots that would not be expected in a respiratory disease.

“What’s different about covid-19 is the lungs don’t get stiff or injured or destroyed before there’s hypoxia,” the medical term for oxygen deprivation, said Steven J. Mentzer, a professor of surgery at Harvard Medical School and part of the team that wrote the report. “For whatever reason, there is a vascular phase” in addition to damage more commonly associated with viral diseases such as the flu, he said.

 

[Leongsam]

Flu can cause deadly blood clots too and kill far more people in all age groups not just the elderly.



latimes.com

Another way the flu could kill — increasing your risk of a heart attack
By Karen KaplanScience and Medicine Editor

4-5 minutes


Not into the flu shot? Think of it as a heart attack vaccine instead.
That’s because the first week or so of a flu infection appears to make you much more susceptible to a heart attack, according to a new study in the New England Journal of Medicine.
The findings are based on 148,307 cases of patients who were tested for influenza. Among all of those tests, 19,729 turned up positive for the flu. And among those cases, there were 332 patients who had at least one heart attack in the year before or after their flu specimen was tested. (The study authors tallied 364 hospitalizations for acute myocardial infarction overall, meaning that some unlucky folks had two or more heart attacks during the two-year observation period.)
Twenty of those heart attacks occurred within one week of a positive flu test. That, of course, was a rate of 20 heart attacks per week.
The other 344 heart attacks happened some other time in the two-year observation period. That worked out to 3.3 heart attacks per week.
That means the risk of a heart attack was six times greater in the first week after flu testing than at other times when the flu was much less likely to be a factor.
The researchers redid their analysis by splitting up that danger week into two parts. They found that heart attack risk was 6.3 times greater during the first three days after a flu test and 5.8 times greater in days four through seven.
About one-quarter of the patients in the study were 65 years old, and the rest were older. When the researchers examined those two groups separately, the link between flu infection and heart attack risk held up only for the older group.
There was no sign of an increased heart attack risk in the rest of the first month after getting a flu test.
The data in the study came from Ontario, Canada, where residents have public health insurance and universal access to medical care. Information on influenza test results came from the Flu and Other Respiratory Viruses Research Cohort, and heart attack hospitalizations were tracked by the Discharge Abstract Database of the Canadian Institute for Health Information.
The researchers, led by Dr. Jeffrey C. Kwong of the University of Toronto, acknowledged that they couldn’t do their analysis based on the date when patients were actually infected with the influenza virus, or when they first began having symptoms, because that information was not available. However, in cases where patients get a flu test, they have typically been sick for only one or two days first.
Also, not all flu cases are severe enough to prompt patients to go and get tested. That means the results of this study may not apply to people with milder illnesses, they added.
The researchers did notice that when flu test results came back positive for certain other kinds of respiratory infections instead of for influenza, there was still an increased (though smaller) short-term risk for heart attacks. That suggests that it’s not the flu itself that’s the problem — it’s the biological impact of a respiratory infection.
For instance, an infection can create conditions that make blood clots more likely to form and cause blood vessels to constrict. Infections also cause inflammation and can reduce blood pressure. All of these are risk factors for a heart attack, Kwong and his colleagues wrote.
The study results suggest that people who want to avoid a heart attack should be sure to get a flu shot — and that doctors and public health officials should encourage them to do so.
“Cardiovascular events triggered by influenza are potentially preventable by vaccination,” the researchers wrote.
Vaccines for other kinds of respiratory infections should be embraced as well, they added. Even simple actions like washing your hands, blocking your cough and keeping germy surfaces clean may reduce your risk of a heart attack.

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

Even if the Wuflu is much worse than the flu, the widescale infection means that the virus will become endemic and impossible to get rid off. It will most likely return seasonally, and as such, humanity has to learn to live with it from now on.

Many old people will die, but death for the aged is part of life that generations of humans have already accepted as part of nature.

 

[Leongsam]

Flu deaths per 100,000 population in the USA since 1950

 

[Leongsam]

Let's compare the flu data above with Covid-19

 

[Leongsam]

Now try convincing me that Covid-19 is killing 20x more people than influenza.

The numbers simply don't stack up no matter how you try to spin them.

livescience.com

COVID-19 is killing 20 times more people per week than flu does, new paper says
By Live Science StaffMay 22, 2020

4-5 minutes


If there was any doubt that the new coronavirus isn't just "a bad flu," a new paper lays that myth to rest. The study authors found that in the U.S. there were 20 times more deaths per week from COVID-19 than from the flu in the deadliest week of an average influenza season.
"Although officials may say that SARS-CoV-2 [the virus that causes COVID-19] is 'just another flu,' this is not true," the authors, from Harvard Medical School and Emory University
School of Medicine, wrote in their paper, published today (May 14) in the journal JAMA Internal Medicine.

 

[winnipegjets]

Flu can cause deadly blood clots too and kill far more people in all age groups not just the elderly.



latimes.com

Another way the flu could kill — increasing your risk of a heart attack
By Karen KaplanScience and Medicine Editor

4-5 minutes


Not into the flu shot? Think of it as a heart attack vaccine instead.
That’s because the first week or so of a flu infection appears to make you much more susceptible to a heart attack, according to a new study in the New England Journal of Medicine.
The findings are based on 148,307 cases of patients who were tested for influenza. Among all of those tests, 19,729 turned up positive for the flu. And among those cases, there were 332 patients who had at least one heart attack in the year before or after their flu specimen was tested. (The study authors tallied 364 hospitalizations for acute myocardial infarction overall, meaning that some unlucky folks had two or more heart attacks during the two-year observation period.)
Twenty of those heart attacks occurred within one week of a positive flu test. That, of course, was a rate of 20 heart attacks per week.
The other 344 heart attacks happened some other time in the two-year observation period. That worked out to 3.3 heart attacks per week.
That means the risk of a heart attack was six times greater in the first week after flu testing than at other times when the flu was much less likely to be a factor.
The researchers redid their analysis by splitting up that danger week into two parts. They found that heart attack risk was 6.3 times greater during the first three days after a flu test and 5.8 times greater in days four through seven.
About one-quarter of the patients in the study were 65 years old, and the rest were older. When the researchers examined those two groups separately, the link between flu infection and heart attack risk held up only for the older group.
There was no sign of an increased heart attack risk in the rest of the first month after getting a flu test.
The data in the study came from Ontario, Canada, where residents have public health insurance and universal access to medical care. Information on influenza test results came from the Flu and Other Respiratory Viruses Research Cohort, and heart attack hospitalizations were tracked by the Discharge Abstract Database of the Canadian Institute for Health Information.
The researchers, led by Dr. Jeffrey C. Kwong of the University of Toronto, acknowledged that they couldn’t do their analysis based on the date when patients were actually infected with the influenza virus, or when they first began having symptoms, because that information was not available. However, in cases where patients get a flu test, they have typically been sick for only one or two days first.
Also, not all flu cases are severe enough to prompt patients to go and get tested. That means the results of this study may not apply to people with milder illnesses, they added.
The researchers did notice that when flu test results came back positive for certain other kinds of respiratory infections instead of for influenza, there was still an increased (though smaller) short-term risk for heart attacks. That suggests that it’s not the flu itself that’s the problem — it’s the biological impact of a respiratory infection.
For instance, an infection can create conditions that make blood clots more likely to form and cause blood vessels to constrict. Infections also cause inflammation and can reduce blood pressure. All of these are risk factors for a heart attack, Kwong and his colleagues wrote.
The study results suggest that people who want to avoid a heart attack should be sure to get a flu shot — and that doctors and public health officials should encourage them to do so.
“Cardiovascular events triggered by influenza are potentially preventable by vaccination,” the researchers wrote.
Vaccines for other kinds of respiratory infections should be embraced as well, they added. Even simple actions like washing your hands, blocking your cough and keeping germy surfaces clean may reduce your risk of a heart attack.

Covid-19 is probably the cause of strokes, kawasaki type symptoms in young adults and children ...there are more discoveries to come.

Flu is nothing compared to covid-19.

 

[winnipegjets]

Let's compare the flu data above with Covid-19

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320,000 deaths and counting, 1.5 million infection ...you don't see those numbers in flu. And there is NO vaccine.

 

[Leongsam]

Covid-19 is probably the cause of strokes, kawasaki type symptoms in young adults and children ...there are more discoveries to come.

Flu is nothing compared to covid-19.

You can say whatever you want but the numbers tell a different story. There is a limit as to how far you can stretch the truth.

Every disease has it's worst case scenarios even the common cold virus can kill.

However to constantly harp on a very small percentage of infections that are serious and use these worst case scenarios as representative of every covid-19 case simply won't work nowadays as most are perfectly capable of gaining a much more realistic view because the data is out there for everyone to analyse.

 

[Leongsam]

320,000 deaths and counting, 1.5 million infection ...you don't see those numbers in flu. And there is NO vaccine.

320,000 deaths is a very small number considering how widespread covid-19 is. There are certainly more than 1.5 million infections.

 

[tanwahtiu]

Fake news.

Who knows what money grabbers doktors put industrial revolution chemicals into it, then ask for more money to research and studies which take donkeys years with no end in sight....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...814588-9ba5-11ea-a2b3-5c3f2d1586df_story.html

Researchers who examined the lungs of patients killed by covid-19 found evidence that it attacks the lining of blood vessels there, a critical difference from the lungs of people who died of the flu, according to a report published Thursday in the New England Journal of Medicine.
Critical parts of the lungs of patients infected with the novel coronavirus also suffered many microscopic blood clots and appeared to respond to the attack by growing tiny new blood vessels, the researchers reported.
The observations in a small number of autopsied lungs buttress reports from physicians treating covid-19 patients. Doctors have described widespread damage to blood vessels and the presence of blood clots that would not be expected in a respiratory disease.

“What’s different about covid-19 is the lungs don’t get stiff or injured or destroyed before there’s hypoxia,” the medical term for oxygen deprivation, said Steven J. Mentzer, a professor of surgery at Harvard Medical School and part of the team that wrote the report. “For whatever reason, there is a vascular phase” in addition to damage more commonly associated with viral diseases such as the flu, he said.

 

[winnipegjets]

You can say whatever you want but the numbers tell a different story. There is a limit as to how far you can stretch the truth.

Every disease has it's worst case scenarios even the common cold virus can kill.

However to constantly harp on a very small percentage of infections that are serious and use these worst case scenarios as representative of every covid-19 case simply won't work nowadays because most are perfectly capable of gaining a much more realistic view because the data is out there for everyone to analyse.

The total number of deaths from covid-19 is higher than flu. What is there to argue about? The totals are there for all to see. You can try to minimize it by using per capita comparison or percentage but the current total exceeds any modern day flu number. Five dead out of 10 vs six dead out of 20 still leads to the conclusion that six deaths is more than five deaths.

 

[Leongsam]

The total number of deaths from covid-19 is higher than flu. What is there to argue about? The totals are there for all to see. You can try to minimize it by using per capita comparison or percentage but the current total exceeds any modern day flu number. Five dead out of 10 vs six dead out of 20 still leads to the conclusion that six deaths is more than five deaths.

We have not seen the total number of deaths from Covid-19 because there is not enough data to calculate excess deaths and compare one year with another.

320,000 people who died tested positive for covid-19 but that does not mean they died because of covid-19.

You only have to look at the death rate from the Singapore foreign worker population of more than 300,000 to come to the conclusion that covid-19 in a healthy individual is just a minor infection. We need 15 foreign workers to die of Covid-19 in order for the disease to approach the same mortality rate as influenza (0.01%)

 

[ginfugly]

flu dont have ass to mouth, oops...cb to ass

 

[winnipegjets]

We have not seen the total number of deaths from Covid-19 because there is not enough data to calculate excess deaths and compare one year with another.

320,000 people who died tested positive for covid-19 but that does not mean they died because of covid-19.

You only have to look at the death rate from the Singapore foreign worker population of more than 300,000 to come to the conclusion that covid-19 in a healthy individual is just a minor infection. We need 15 foreign workers to die of Covid-19 in order for the disease to approach the same mortality rate as influenza (0.01%)

Alamak, the virus attacks other organs too.
The actual death rate is suggested to be higher than the recorded total.
So, you do support lock down after all as the death rate is lower here because of lockdown and other measures.

 

[tanwahtiu]

Medical industy must scare u to death so as to grab more money from you....

Scan here scan there, fill up their appointment book to to roof to book u for life...

Alamak, the virus attacks other organs too.
The actual death rate is suggested to be higher than the recorded total.
So, you do support lock down after all as the death rate is lower here because of lockdown and other measures.

 

[winnipegjets]

Medical industy must scare u to death so as to grab more money from you....

Scan here scan there, fill up their appointment book to to roof to book u for life...

I just eat healthily, rest sufficiently, exercise regularly and then live as per normal, taking the usual precaution (wash hands, wear mask, keep physical distance). Simple to follow lah.

Cannot afford to scan lah. Can't afford to spend $10k in hospital for checkup. $10k gives many hours of thrill at MBS.

 

[Leongsam]

Alamak, the virus attacks other organs too.
The actual death rate is suggested to be higher than the recorded total.
So, you do support lock down after all as the death rate is lower here because of lockdown and other measures.

For a very small number of people Covid-19 attacks other organs but the same applies to the flu which can result in infection of the heart, the kidneys and arterial wall linings.

Here's the CDC figures for influenza from the 2017 winter season :