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They won't lock down, only implement piecemeal directives as more cases appear, give the impression they got it figured and covered. What do you reckon they're doing?
Singapore seeks to stop virus spread without full lockdown
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She's merely echoing what the government wants her to say. She's just a mouthpiece.
They are still confident that their measures that worked before will continue to work.
The success of their system depends on whether they can continue to keep the number of new cases manageable.
Perhaps Singapore will be the shining light for the world to learn from. This is what Singapore is placing their bets on.
After you pass the tipping point even if you shut down everything there is no difference anymore.
Hence that is the Singapore plan.
Try your best. If it doesnt work it doesnt matter anymore. But I will tell you the doctors and nurses are going to suffer like hell if that happens.
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definition of partial lockdown.
definition of full lockdown. must have umbrella to prevent virus from going airborne.
definition of full lockdown. must have umbrella to prevent virus from going airborne.
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Those countries that have locked down are merely following the Chinkland template, which is deemed to be effective. By not doing do, the pap appears to be dicing with death. Our death.
So it appears they are cock sure they can manage (enough ICU beds, ventilators, medical staff, etc) all the way to the peak. None has died thus far, and I hope it will be so until the vaccine is developed (perhaps I am not being realistic?).
For our sake and those of our loved ones, I hope the pap's Singapore Plan works, with zero or minimal casualties. My colleague in mudland told me our government controls it well, and that sporeans listen to the government. I told him, his government did the right thing with the lockdown, because malaysian lives matter more to their government than their economy. My China supplier is shaking their heads in disbelief that our government told us not to wear masks when we are in public spaces.
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To appear as though things are being planned and done, get on with it and win the erection first before scrambling to lockdown after mandate is obtained.
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Let’s all hold hands and sing kumbaya.
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Why dont use herd immunity instead?
What is herd immunity and could it slow the spread of coronavirus COVID-19 around the world? - ABC News
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A group of Japanese people walking through a crowd with many wearing face masks
Some governments, including the UK and the Netherlands, have discussed pursuing herd immunity to combat coronavirus.(Reuters: Athit Perawongmetha)
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As the coronavirus pandemic continues to worsen, some governments have started discussing how "herd immunity" could be used to stop the virus in its tracks.
The UK's chief science adviser, Sir Patrick Vallance, said on March 13 that one of "the key things" Britain needed to do was "build up some kind of herd immunity so more people are immune to this disease and we reduce the transmission".
Sweden has made tests available only for hospital staff and at-risk groups.
And while Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte has closed schools and restaurants, he says a total lockdown in his country probably won't work.
Instead he says the Netherlands is looking at a "controlled distribution" of COVID-19 "among groups that are least at risk".
But not everyone is happy about this approach, with some scientists in the UK and Australia describing it as a dangerous farce.
The embedded Tweet no longer exists, or the account has been suspended.
Here's how herd immunity works, and why it's currently causing so much controversy.
Herd immunity can stop an outbreak
Herd immunity means that a large portion of a population becomes infected with a disease, but many recover and are then immune to it.
An outbreak eventually fizzles out because there are fewer viable hosts for the virus to infect.
It's considered one of the main ways to fight an outbreak, along with extreme isolation measures, testing and tracing potential cases, and developing a vaccine.
Historians believe the second wave of the Spanish flu pandemic in mid-1918 was the most devastating because few people became immune to it during the first wave.
A group of nurses wear face masks during the 1919 Spanish Flu outbreak.
There were multiple waves of the Spanish Flu outbreak over several years.(State Library Of Queensland)
Britain's chief science advisor said herd immunity would prevent a similar situation if coronavirus was to disappear but then re-emerge.
Sir Patrick said 60 per cent of Britons — or at least 36 million people — would need to catch COVID-19 for this to work.
The embedded Tweet no longer exists, or the account has been suspended.
The UK Government was eventually forced to backpedal on these comments after an outcry from scientists.
"Herd immunity is not our goal or policy, it's a scientific concept. Our policy is to protect lives and to beat this virus," Health Secretary Matt Hancock said.
Could herd immunity work for coronavirus?
Scientists have been quick to point out that it's not yet known whether people who survive COVID-19 are then resistant to it.
Japanese authorities said on March 16 that a man who recovered from the disease tested positive for COVID-19 again several weeks later.
A cruise ship with a walkway from the door covered in blue tarps
A man who recovered from coronavirus during the Diamond Princess quarantine tested positive again two weeks later, according to Japanese authorities.(Reuters Via Kyodo)
That could have been a testing error.
But Diego Silva, a lecturer in bioethics at the University of Sydney, says we still don't know everything about this virus and the body's response to it.
"Allowing a virus to spread in your country when you don't know whether, or how long it takes for, people to become susceptible a second time to the COVID-19 virus is a risk," he said.
Herd immunity also accepts that some people will die
When discussing herd immunity, the Dutch Prime Minister said vulnerable people would need to be protected.
"This assumes you can actually shield those at risk in the first place, and it's not clear to me that you can," Dr Silva warns.
A woman in a scarf and coat walking through the streets of London
Public health experts say letting the virus infect healthy, strong people puts older, vulnerable people at great risk.(Reuters: Hannah McKay)
Scientists have pointed out that if COVID-19 is allowed to spread, there will be fewer younger people to look after the vulnerable.
"Intentionally allowing the virus to spread requires accepting that people will die in the short term, in part due to hospitals and the health system being overwhelmed," Dr Silva says.
British virologist Professor John Oxford from Queen Mary University of London said letting the virus spread also takes governments into murky ethical waters.
"I feel nerve-wracked about it, I think it's kind of a huge experiment when you're indulging letting the virus go like this, rip through the community. People will die. What will their relatives say?
"The whole thing is a bit of a farce — and a dangerous farce."
The UK has abandoned its more relaxed approach to coronavirus after researchers warned that 250,000 people would die as a result.
The Imperial College London told Prime Minister Boris Johnson in a briefing at Number 10 that trying to achieve herd immunity by allowing the virus to spread was unsafe.
So should herd immunity be part of our coronavirus strategy?
Most scientists agree that countries should be trying multiple approaches to contain coronavirus, including social distancing, border controls, and pursuing a vaccine.
A man at a football match surrounded by others
The UK has shut down mass gatherings after researchers warned that allowing them to continue could kill 250,000.(Reuters: John Clifton)
"With any infectious disease, particularly respiratory ones such as coronaviruses, a primary public health goal is herd immunity," says Dr Silva.
But Dr Silva says a vaccine, which could be 18 months away, is one of the best and safest ways to do that.
"One thing is to introduce a vaccine to build up community resistance with an eye toward herd immunity. The other is to let a gnarly virus happily spread about," he says.
University of Sydney Bioethics Professor Angus Dawson says the herd immunity debate is confusing people, and governments should instead focus on "coordinated action".
"We should instead be introducing much more rigorous social distancing than we have seen so far," he says.
"This pandemic is a serious health threat. The protection of the most vulnerable, now, should be the highest priority, not some future theoretical benefit."
Social distancing to protect vulnerable people helps to flatten the curve of the pandemic, spreading the number of infections over a longer period of time.
Not only does this help ensure the healthcare system doesn't become overwhelmed, but it builds up herd immunity in a controlled way over time.
The UK's slow response to the coronavirus outbreak should be a warning to other nations, according to Professor John Oxford.
He says a wartime effort will now be required to avoid a health disaster in Britain.
"It's like the great COVID-19 war. Your grandson will come along and say, 'what did you do in the great COVID war?' and you say, 'I did social distancing, I cut holidays', and you contributed," he says.
"If 50 million people contribute like that, I think we can wipe the virus out."
Question of whether to close schools divides medical experts
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What is herd immunity and could it slow the spread of coronavirus COVID-19 around the world? - ABC News
Posted 2d
A group of Japanese people walking through a crowd with many wearing face masks
Some governments, including the UK and the Netherlands, have discussed pursuing herd immunity to combat coronavirus.(Reuters: Athit Perawongmetha)
Share
As the coronavirus pandemic continues to worsen, some governments have started discussing how "herd immunity" could be used to stop the virus in its tracks.
The UK's chief science adviser, Sir Patrick Vallance, said on March 13 that one of "the key things" Britain needed to do was "build up some kind of herd immunity so more people are immune to this disease and we reduce the transmission".
Sweden has made tests available only for hospital staff and at-risk groups.
And while Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte has closed schools and restaurants, he says a total lockdown in his country probably won't work.
Instead he says the Netherlands is looking at a "controlled distribution" of COVID-19 "among groups that are least at risk".
But not everyone is happy about this approach, with some scientists in the UK and Australia describing it as a dangerous farce.
The embedded Tweet no longer exists, or the account has been suspended.
Here's how herd immunity works, and why it's currently causing so much controversy.
Herd immunity can stop an outbreak
Herd immunity means that a large portion of a population becomes infected with a disease, but many recover and are then immune to it.
An outbreak eventually fizzles out because there are fewer viable hosts for the virus to infect.
It's considered one of the main ways to fight an outbreak, along with extreme isolation measures, testing and tracing potential cases, and developing a vaccine.
Historians believe the second wave of the Spanish flu pandemic in mid-1918 was the most devastating because few people became immune to it during the first wave.
A group of nurses wear face masks during the 1919 Spanish Flu outbreak.
There were multiple waves of the Spanish Flu outbreak over several years.(State Library Of Queensland)
Britain's chief science advisor said herd immunity would prevent a similar situation if coronavirus was to disappear but then re-emerge.
Sir Patrick said 60 per cent of Britons — or at least 36 million people — would need to catch COVID-19 for this to work.
The embedded Tweet no longer exists, or the account has been suspended.
The UK Government was eventually forced to backpedal on these comments after an outcry from scientists.
"Herd immunity is not our goal or policy, it's a scientific concept. Our policy is to protect lives and to beat this virus," Health Secretary Matt Hancock said.
Could herd immunity work for coronavirus?
Scientists have been quick to point out that it's not yet known whether people who survive COVID-19 are then resistant to it.
Japanese authorities said on March 16 that a man who recovered from the disease tested positive for COVID-19 again several weeks later.
A cruise ship with a walkway from the door covered in blue tarps
A man who recovered from coronavirus during the Diamond Princess quarantine tested positive again two weeks later, according to Japanese authorities.(Reuters Via Kyodo)
That could have been a testing error.
But Diego Silva, a lecturer in bioethics at the University of Sydney, says we still don't know everything about this virus and the body's response to it.
"Allowing a virus to spread in your country when you don't know whether, or how long it takes for, people to become susceptible a second time to the COVID-19 virus is a risk," he said.
Herd immunity also accepts that some people will die
When discussing herd immunity, the Dutch Prime Minister said vulnerable people would need to be protected.
"This assumes you can actually shield those at risk in the first place, and it's not clear to me that you can," Dr Silva warns.
A woman in a scarf and coat walking through the streets of London
Public health experts say letting the virus infect healthy, strong people puts older, vulnerable people at great risk.(Reuters: Hannah McKay)
Scientists have pointed out that if COVID-19 is allowed to spread, there will be fewer younger people to look after the vulnerable.
"Intentionally allowing the virus to spread requires accepting that people will die in the short term, in part due to hospitals and the health system being overwhelmed," Dr Silva says.
British virologist Professor John Oxford from Queen Mary University of London said letting the virus spread also takes governments into murky ethical waters.
"I feel nerve-wracked about it, I think it's kind of a huge experiment when you're indulging letting the virus go like this, rip through the community. People will die. What will their relatives say?
"The whole thing is a bit of a farce — and a dangerous farce."
The UK has abandoned its more relaxed approach to coronavirus after researchers warned that 250,000 people would die as a result.
The Imperial College London told Prime Minister Boris Johnson in a briefing at Number 10 that trying to achieve herd immunity by allowing the virus to spread was unsafe.
So should herd immunity be part of our coronavirus strategy?
Most scientists agree that countries should be trying multiple approaches to contain coronavirus, including social distancing, border controls, and pursuing a vaccine.
A man at a football match surrounded by others
The UK has shut down mass gatherings after researchers warned that allowing them to continue could kill 250,000.(Reuters: John Clifton)
"With any infectious disease, particularly respiratory ones such as coronaviruses, a primary public health goal is herd immunity," says Dr Silva.
But Dr Silva says a vaccine, which could be 18 months away, is one of the best and safest ways to do that.
"One thing is to introduce a vaccine to build up community resistance with an eye toward herd immunity. The other is to let a gnarly virus happily spread about," he says.
University of Sydney Bioethics Professor Angus Dawson says the herd immunity debate is confusing people, and governments should instead focus on "coordinated action".
"We should instead be introducing much more rigorous social distancing than we have seen so far," he says.
"This pandemic is a serious health threat. The protection of the most vulnerable, now, should be the highest priority, not some future theoretical benefit."
Social distancing to protect vulnerable people helps to flatten the curve of the pandemic, spreading the number of infections over a longer period of time.
Not only does this help ensure the healthcare system doesn't become overwhelmed, but it builds up herd immunity in a controlled way over time.
The UK's slow response to the coronavirus outbreak should be a warning to other nations, according to Professor John Oxford.
He says a wartime effort will now be required to avoid a health disaster in Britain.
"It's like the great COVID-19 war. Your grandson will come along and say, 'what did you do in the great COVID war?' and you say, 'I did social distancing, I cut holidays', and you contributed," he says.
"If 50 million people contribute like that, I think we can wipe the virus out."
Question of whether to close schools divides medical experts
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South Korea, Tiawan also not locking down! Woooooohoooooooo!
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RELAKS
MORE COVID IN STINKAPORE, MORE CHANCES OF COVID GETTING TO THOSE FUCKING CHEEBYE MIWS AND THEIR KANGAROOS AND POODLES AND PAPER GENERALS AND THEIR CRONIES AND BROWN NOSERS
BEST CHANCE FOR SINGAPORE TO BE SINGAPORE AND NOT STINKAPORE
LET THEM GATHER
MORE KENNA WUHANDED THE MORE LIKELY THAT GET BACK TO MAGGOTS MAGGOTESS IN WHITE AND THEIR ENTIRE FAMILIES
AND THEIR KANGAROOS AND PAPER GENERALS AND CRONIES AND BROWN NOSERS
ALL HUM KAR CHAN
MAGGOTS MAGGOTESS AND THEIR CRONIES AND PAPER GENERALS AND SONS AND DAUGHTERS WILL ALSO DIE
MAY THEY ALL DIE BEFORE US , OR WITH US
AND STINKAPORE WILL BECOME SINGAPORE ONCE AGAIN
SPREAD WIDELY
UNTIL IT GET TO THE MAIDS AND SONS AND DAUGHTERS AND STAFF OF MAGGOTS MAGGOTESS IN WHITE
UNTIL ALL THOSE OLD MAGGOTS MAGGOTESS KENA WUHANDED
AND TOGETHER WITH YOUNG MAGGOTS MAGGOTESS AND ALL IN THE FUCKING PA AND KANGAROOS AND POODLES
WUHAN WILL DELIVER US ALL FROM THE FUCKING MAGGOTS MAGGOTESS IN WHITE FINALLY
MAGGOTS MAGGOTESS KANGAROOS CANNOT FIX WUHAN THE WAY THEY CAN FIX ELECTED PRESIDENT AND OTHER SHIT THINGS THAT THEY CAN FIX
WUHAN WILL FIX THEM INSTEAD
Forward this on your WhatsApp and make this go viral.
Get this onto the handphones of all in Singapore
VOTE OUT ALL THE MAGGOTS AND MAGGOTESS IN WHITE AND TURN STINKAPORE BACK INTO SINGAPORE
OR OUR KIDS END UP BECOMING SECURITY GUARDS TO BE KICKED IN FACE BY CECAs OR PANDA FOOD DELIVERIES OR PICKING UP CARDBOARDS OR SELLING TISSUE PAPER IN HAWKER CENTERS
And why Stinkapore got the GOLD Standard for wuhan control?
