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Chitchat Will you go to hell after death? Some believe they will

UltimaOnline

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Upload the actual ebooks, not the links to them. So all can share here. Like what I have done.:biggrin:

There are too many books to upload 1 by 1 to ensure each individual book file is small enough for the forum to be uploaded as an attachment.

Do you guys think Boss Sam will agree to have us upload the zip file to his website (the forum doesn't allow large attachments, the 'Books on Reincarnation' is a 647MB zip file) as a permanent link for easy download? Can someone ask Boss Sam?

Edited to add :
Now that I've added Glockman's uploads "Journey of Souls" and "Memories of the Afterlife" (a much smaller text pdf to replace my graphics pdf), the new 'Books on Reincarnation' zip file is 550MB large, fyi.
 
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glockman

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Do you guys think Boss Sam will agree to have us upload the zip file to his website (the forum doesn't allow large attachments, the 'Books on Reincarnation' is a 647MB zip file) as a permanent link for easy download? Can someone ask Boss Sam?

There are too many books to upload 1 by 1 to ensure each individual book file is small enough for the forum to be uploaded as an attachment.
Maybe upload a few good ones? The ones you find most informative. Ebook PDFs are generally small like 2mb only I think.:biggrin: In any case, don't worry about it if it's too difficult. Thank you for sounding out this very useful topic.:thumbsup:
 

UltimaOnline

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Maybe upload a few good ones? The ones you find most informative. Ebook PDFs are generally small like 2mb only I think.:biggrin: In any case, don't worry about it if it's too difficult. Thank you for sounding out this very useful topic.:thumbsup:


Yes, official e-books are small because they are text based. For the purpose of sharing these 'Books on Reincarnation', I spent about Sg$1k to buy a book scanner (that allows you to scan entire books, instead of page by page manually ala those cheap Sg$100+ scanners), but this also means the pdf files generated are much larger graphics pdf files (which unfortunately doesn't allow you to search for specific words), rather than much smaller text pdf files (which allow you to search for specific words). Perhaps the book scanner does allow for generation of text pdf files via text recognition software, but I can't be bothered to check out how that works, graphics pdf works fine enough for my sharing purposes, just that the graphics pdf files generated are rather large (and can't search for specific words).

I still prefer to upload the entire (now updated with the addition of "Journey of Souls" thanks to Glockman) collection as a 550MB zip file, so interested readers can enjoy the entire set, instead of just selected books (my graphics pdf files may be too big to upload as forum attachments, even a single book). Boss Sam, will you let us upload the zip file to your website so we can have a permanent link?

@Leongsam

If Boss Sam allows, I'll upload one more time to a free host, then Boss Sam can download that file from there, to re-upload to his website (eg. www.sammyboy.com) for a permanent download link.
 

syed putra

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'Afterlife' feels 'even more real than real,' researcher says
By Ben Brumfield, CNN

Updated 0921 GMT (1721 HKT) April 10, 2013
Scans compare neurological activity in a brain that is healthy, one that is comatose and another that is dead
Scans compare neurological activity in a brain that is healthy, one that is comatose and another that is dead
Story highlights
Near-death experiences can be vividly real to those who have them
Many people who were in comas remember having them
One need not die to have an out-of-body experience
Belgian researchers want to see more empirical research on NDEs
You're about to go to "heaven" and live to tell about it. And your story will become the subject of scientific research.
It's the perfect day. You're strolling down a sidewalk, listening to an ensemble of bird songs, soaking up a balmy breeze fragranced with fresh spring flowers, and gazing up at a cloudless sky of pure azure.
Pleasantly distracted, you step off the sidewalk into the street. Brakes screech; horns blare; people shriek in horror. You snap back to reality ... just as the truck hits you.
You fly for yards like a rag doll; you land hard. You're numb all over and fading fast. It's all over; you know it. Your life flashes before you like an epic movie. The End.
You leave your body and look down at it. People are bending over it. Someone is sobbing uncontrollably. As the ambulance rushes up, a blinding light surges above you. It beckons you softly.
You follow it through a tunnel to a place much more vividly real and spectacular than the banner Sunday afternoon you just left behind. You are sure you have arrived in the hereafter.
Weeks later, you wake up to the steady beeps of an EKG monitor next to your hospital bed.
Secrets spilled in life's final minutes
The scientific journey begins
If your hospital is in Belgium, Dr. Steven Laureys may pay you a visit, interested to hear what you remember from your NDE, or near-death experience.
He tells you that many people have gone down this road before you and that you can trust him with your experience.
"Patients in intensive care are scared to tell their stories," he said. They are afraid people won't take them seriously, especially doctors and scientists.
Laureys heads the Coma Science Group at the university hospital in the city of Liege. He and his colleagues published a scientific study on NDEs late last month.
People who go on these fantastic journeys are often forever changed. Many seem to come back happier and no longer fear death, he said. The experience becomes a cornerstone of their lives.
NDEs feel "even more real than real," Laureys said. It's this sparkling clarity and living color of the experience, which many have when they lose consciousness, that he and his team have researched.
Results of a psychological test reveal memories of Near Death Experiences to be more vivid than any other memory
Results of a psychological test reveal memories of Near Death Experiences to be more vivid than any other memory
But he doesn't think it comes from a spirit world. Laureys is a scientist, he emphasizes. He prefers not to mix that with religion.
His hypothesis is that near-death experiences originate in human physiology. "It is this dysfunctional brain that produces these phenomena," he said.
Laureys and his staff are interested in how the brain creates the mind and its perception of reality. "Our main focus is consciousness research in comatose patients," he said. His team hopes to raise the quality of their comfort and care.
The same story, again and again
Over the years, many patients have awakened from comas to tell Laureys about trips to the hereafter.
Their stories all have elements that are the same or very similar.
"After being close to death, some people will report having had an out-of-body experience, having seen a bright light or being passed through a tunnel; all well-known elements of the famous Near-Death Experience," according to the study by Laureys and his team of six scientists.
Raymond and Nadine, both from Belgium, had heart attacks. When oxygen was cut off from their brains, they had out-of-body sensations, Laureys said.
"I felt as if I were sucked out of my body at one point," said Raymond. "I was going through a completely black tunnel, very, very quickly, a speed you cannot express, because you just don't experience it."
When Nadine's heart attack came on, she could see herself from outside her body. "It's as if you are on a cloud, even if it's not really that," she said.
It eluded her control, and that frightened her. She went into a dark hole. "You wonder if you will really return to your body," she said.
A light appeared at the end of Raymond's tunnel. He, too, was at first afraid and resisted. The light was female, and she "communicated" with him.
He surrendered to her. "I realized that I shouldn't struggle, and I let myself go. It was at that moment that the experience took place."
Psychological test
Scientific research on people having NDEs is tough, because the exact instant that they occur is unknown, making them nearly impossible to observe, Laureys said.
It would also be cruel to run brain scans on someone who was possibly facing the moment of death.
So, Laureys and his team studied the near-death memories of people who survived -- in particular those of coma patients -- with the help of a psychological examination.
The Memory Characteristics Questionnaire tests for sensory and emotional details of recollections and how people relive them in space and time. In other words, it gauges how present, intense and real a memory is.
They compared NDEs with other memories of intense real-life events like marriages and births, but also with memories of dreams and thoughts -- things that did not occur in physical reality.
The researchers paralleled new memories with old ones. And they compared the patients who had NDEs with groups of others who didn't.
Memories of important real-life events are more intense than those of dreams or thoughts, Laureys said.
"If you use this questionnaire ... if the memory is real, it's richer, and if the memory is recent, it's richer," he said.
The coma scientists weren't expecting what the tests revealed.
"To our surprise, NDEs were much richer than any imagined event or any real event of these coma survivors," Laureys reported.
The memories of these experiences beat all other memories, hands down, for their vivid sense of reality. "The difference was so vast," he said with a sense of astonishment.
Even if the patient had the experience a long time ago, its memory was as rich "as though it was yesterday," Laureys said.
"Sometimes, it is hard for them (the patients) to find words to explain it."
True believers
The questionnaire asks people about their level of certainty that a remembered experience was a real event and not imagined or dreamed. "They (the patients) are very convinced that it is real," Laureys said.
A simple Internet search reveals hundreds of accounts of near-death experiences -- some real, some perhaps invented. Many people are convinced they are proof positive that an afterlife exists outside of the physical realm -- and that it is wondrous.
There are reports of religious images appearing at times in NDEs, but they are not limited to one single religion, and they don't always appear. Sometimes Buddha, Jesus or Mohammed appear, but usually they don't, Laureys said.
Nevertheless, an NDE can make a convert of a skeptic. Dr. Eben Alexander is a well-known case of an agnostic scientist who became convinced of the existence of the spiritual.
He has often shared his story in television interviews with journalists and expressed his views in lectures and in books and video presentations, which he sells on his website.
Alexander, a neurosurgeon, according to his autobiography, has described his experience in the same terms as the Belgian researchers: "hyper-reality," "too real to be real."
In the beginning, he tried to interpret his experience as a brain function, he wrote on his website, but he became increasingly spiritual. He has come to the conclusion that people are reincarnated.
Alexander says his experience could not have been a hallucination, because the parts of the brain necessary to produce his experiences were basically dead when he had them.
It's your brain, Laureys tells you
Laureys strongly disagrees. "There is no evidence there can be conscious experience without brain activity," he said.
Lying in your hospital bed, you have become a true believer, and you are happier for it.
But your brain never died, the doctor tells you. You were in a coma. Perhaps your heart stopped for a while; maybe it didn't. But that's not even necessary to have an out-of-body experience.
"Many individuals having had NDEs were not physically in danger of death suggesting that the perception, on its own, of the risk of death seems to be important in eliciting NDEs," the study said.
It's enough just to think you're dying to have one.
Mapping the brain, exploring its secrets
The American Psychological Association concurs. It defines near-death experiences as "profound psychological events with transcendental and mystical elements, typically occurring to individuals close to death or in situations of intense physical or emotional danger."
In the case of coma patients, the brain producing the NDE may be functioning minimally, but it is still alive, Laureys hypothesized. He said one can stimulate certain parts of the brain to produce single elements of the experience.
It's a vivid hallucination, Laureys' report surmises. "It was a normal brain activity that produced their extraordinary perceptions."
Needs more research
Though the results of his studies were marked and consistent, the Belgian research team has tested only a small number of patients so far.
And it has not been able to scan brain images of patients having NDEs to get hard data on the hypothesis of the physiological nature of the experience.
Laureys' research alone is not enough. He wants to see more scientists get involved. As a doctor, he feels it's the compassionate thing for them to do.
Too many people have the experience for serious researchers to ignore it, he said, and a lot of people are afraid that their consciousness will linger long after they pass away, making them witnesses to whatever happens to their bodies.
"The public is historically afraid to be buried alive," Laureys said. "People are afraid to sign up as organ donors." They are scared they may have to watch them being extracted from their bodies.
There are more than enough spiritual models for NDEs, he said -- and superstitious ones. "There are a lot of crazy explanations out there."
It's high time for more hard science, Laureys said. A high percentage of his coma patients report having had NDEs, and he believes many of us go through these "afterlife" experiences when we die.
Laureys doesn't want to speculate on the existence of heaven or hell, but he does say that only a small minority of near-death experiences are horrifying. Most of them are pleasant and uplifting.
From his accounts, it sounds like more people go to "heaven" than to "hell."
 

whoami

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Dumb sinkies. If only they knew the words of truth written by a famous and much-loved poet.:thumbsup::biggrin:

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion, too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

 

Froggy

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What the fuck this report about? We’re all in fucking hell already under fucking PAP created by this motherfucker devil

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UltimaOnline

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@Leongsam @glockman @AhMeng @sweetiepie @nightsafari

I've successfully re-uploaded the updated (thanks to Glockman) 'Books on Reincarnation' 550MB zip file on Files.fm, see what you guys can do with it (better faster download before the link expires!), hopefully Boss Sam (or anyone of you) can give it a permanent link for any interested Sammyboy users to easily download in the future.

https://files.fm/u/6y4e8prv
 
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glockman

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@Leongsam @glockman @AhMeng @sweetiepie @nightsafari

I've successfully re-uploaded the updated (thanks to Glockman) 'Books on Reincarnation' 550MB zip file on Files.fm, see what you guys can do with it (better faster download before the link expires!), hopefully Boss Sam (or anyone of you) can give it a permanent link for any interested Sammyboy users to easily download in the future.

https://files.fm/u/6y4e8prv
Many thanks, will download asap. Will also try to find a free web storage without the need to sign up.
 

glockman

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@Leongsam @glockman @AhMeng @sweetiepie @nightsafari

I've successfully re-uploaded the updated (thanks to Glockman) 'Books on Reincarnation' 550MB zip file on Files.fm, see what you guys can do with it (better faster download before the link expires!), hopefully Boss Sam (or anyone of you) can give it a permanent link for any interested Sammyboy users to easily download in the future.

https://files.fm/u/6y4e8prv
OK, found a permanent home for your books.:biggrin:
https://mega.nz/#!zyJiESzQ!RMOrGTqOhwiD9iFzRbVKnugFLK2HH_caQ0NSEhZYHdU

This is the link to the audio book Journey of Souls by Michael Newton
https://mega.nz/#!L2QkDAJL!n18DlphqbQcuYTs-Ogl1JSinrqv1BVGExZWIeRCKkGg
 
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