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IF HUAWEI LOSES ARM'S CHIP DESIGNS, IT'S TOAST

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Losing access to ARM won’t cripple Huawei overnight. But without it, the Chinese electronics giant has few good options.

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HOW DO YOU kill a company? The answer, in the context of Chinese electronics giant Huawei, appears to be deprivation, removing ready access to the elements that distinguish smartphones from very expensive chunks of anodized aluminum and glass. The latest blow: Chip designer ARM has reportedly severed ties with the company. Huawei could arguably survive without Google. Without ARM? Not so much.

It’s important to clarify that nothing at this point is certain, or permanent. The BBC first reported ARM’s move Wednesday morning, citing an internal memo that noted ARM’s use of "US origin technology,” which makes it subject to a sweeping ban put in place by the Trump administration. ARM finally confirmed the ban Wednesday afternoon. As it did with Google, though, the US Commerce Department could grant a waiver that allows ARM to continue servicing Huawei. And broader tensions between China and the US could otherwise resolve, potentially taking some of the pressure off Huawei.

But if those caveats don’t come through? It’s hard to see where Huawei goes from here.

ARM Wrestling

Even if you’ve never heard of ARM, you interact with its technologies every day. The company makes the designs that manufacturers like Qualcomm use to produce chips. ARM-based CPUs power everything from smartphones to Internet of Things devices to, more recently, data centers.

ARM’s ubiquity also has increasingly let smartphone companies produce their own chips, in a bid to wean themselves off of Qualcomm and create purpose-built processors. Huawei was an early ARM acolyte; its subsidiary, HiSilicon, has made ARM-based systems-on-chips since at least 2012.

Conventional wisdom to this point had been that Huawei’s CPU self-reliance would be an important factor in fending off US offenses. Even if Google cuts ties—which it did, until receiving that 90-day waiver—Huawei could still create a functional operating system by creating a so-called Android fork, and convincing developers to tailor their apps to Huawei’s modified version. Huawei customers would have to live without the Google Play Store and related apps, but those felt like solvable problems, especially in a Chinese market that already has plenty of available alternatives.

But the open-source version of Android is designed for ARM-based chips. It also works on x86 processors, made by Intel, AMD, and others, but those US-based companies had already cut ties with Huawei as part of the sanctions. Which means, absent ARM, Huawei’s most obvious backup plan effectively goes poof. The company would need not only to redesign its own chips from scratch—a process that takes years—it would find itself cut off from the world’s most popular operating system. This is like telling Coca-Cola that it can’t use carbonated water.

"All of the options are going to be painful,” says Eric Hanselman, chief analyst at 451 Research. “Changing out a core means you’ve got to do significant work not only in the silicon, but also in your software ecosystem. That’s not going to be simple.”

A Slow Fade

Losing access to ARM won’t cripple Huawei overnight, even in a worst-case scenario. The electronics giant will still be able to use its current, licensed technology, which means that it can continue to package any chips already in play. Mobile processors generally receive annual bumps; Huawei introduced its Kirin 980 SoC last fall, and it would have continued to ship it for the next several months regardless.

But going forward, if the ban holds up, Huawei handsets will become frozen in time. The BBC reports that its upcoming chip, the Kirin 985, may have snuck in under the wire, but after that the company will be stuck on the latest and greatest ARM designs as of May 22, 2019. To become unstuck, it will need to embark on the costly, time-intensive process of designing its own core. The question is whether customers will bother to wait it out.

The damage would also extend far beyond smartphones. “Every place where Huawei uses ARM IP would be impacted,” says Patrick Moorhead, founder of Moor Insights & Strategy, “all the way from embedded IP in tiny surveillance devices to large enterprise data center chips.”

This is like telling Coca-Cola that it can’t use carbonated water.​
What remains unclear, and could make the difference between devastation and inconvenience, is exactly which ARM technologies are impacted. It’s an international company, recently acquired by Japanese giant Softbank but with headquarters still in the UK. Huawei’s fate may hang in the balance of whatever slice of ARM’s offerings originated in the US, where the company has eight offices and a long-running research partnership with the University of Michigan.

“If it is some of the system-on-chip capabilities, if it’s some of the architecture extensions, things like that, the resolution could be relatively simple. You just design that technology out,” says Hanselman. “If it happens to be core instruction set, or core logic, then that would be a whole lot more difficult.”

“ARM is complying with all of the latest regulations set forth by the US government,” the company said in a statement. "ARM values its relationship with our longtime partner HiSilicon and we are hopeful for a swift resolution on this matter," it added in a follow-up statement several hours later. "Under the current restrictions ARM cannot license any export-restrictive IP to HiSilicon."

Under Siege

Huawei has reportedly been stockpiling US-made parts for as long as a year, in anticipation of the current crackdown. But the ARM move potentially obviates that preparation, by limiting the extent to which Huawei can go it alone.

"Huawei values its relationships with all partners around the world and understands the difficult situation they are in," the company said in a statement. "Our top priority remains to continue delivering world-class products to our customers. We are hopeful this situation will be resolved and are working to find the best solution."

It also underscores the stakes that the US has established. The Trump administration had previously brought Chinese tech company ZTE to the brink of collapse, but that imbroglio centered on specific deals ZTE made with Iran and North Korea, for which it offered specific remedies in the form of fines and a leadership overhaul. The Huawei tensions are much more amorphous; the White House has labeled it a national security threat without specifying why or how, leaving no clear path for resolution. Other companies seem likely to face a similar fate; The New York Timesreported Tuesday that the US may blacklist Chinese surveillance company Hikvision over its role in oppressing the country's Uyghur population.

And while there’s always a chance that a 90-day waiver for ARM will come through, as it did with Google, it won’t be a given. “License requests involving Huawei or its affiliates will be reviewed under a presumption of denial,” a Commerce Department spokesperson said in a statement.

There are ways for Huawei to survive without ARM. But in the ongoing siege of one of China’s most important companies, the US has unquestionably cut off its most important supply route.

This story has been updated to include a statement from Huawei and further comment from ARM.
 

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With Japan now on the side of the USA China is getting screwed deeply and is going to suffer bigly! :laugh:

This will teach the chinks to be more humble in their dealings. They were getting too big for their boots and now Trump has put them in their place.
 

Hypocrite-The

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The demand for ARM's chips is driven by consumers not Huawei. Any slack will simply be picked up by other phone manufacturers.
The only other phone manufacturer with tat sort of pull is Samsung, and besides faggot phones what else are yank companies? How do these chip makers benefit by not selling to Huawei? N ah tiong land has the tech n resources to come out with their own shit...n maybe the russkies will support ah tiong land just to spite the yanks
 

tanwahtiu

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你拜初一 我拜十五....

Have you go to bank withdraw in cash? Banks will be hacked freeze finance trading.... world highest cash withdrawal coming...

Make Hackers Great Again.... is coming and yr site will be frozen or disrupted by hackers...

Google will ve hacked deep deep irreparable..... all data wipe out...

All chips makers are fucked no IT no chip....hahaha

IT is finish back to laydio silence....

Back to land line.... All radio wave communication set are banned from transmitting... ask SAF radio operator will tell you more...




With Japan now on the side of the USA China is getting screwed deeply and is going to suffer bigly! :laugh:

This will teach the chinks to be more humble in their dealings. They were getting too big for their boots and now Trump has put them in their place.
 
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With Japan now on the side of the USA China is getting screwed deeply and is going to suffer bigly! :laugh:

This will teach the chinks to be more humble in their dealings. They were getting too big for their boots and now Trump has put them in their place.

Japan has always been a lackey vassal state of the USA since end of WW2. What's new? Since when is Japan on China's side? China is not the only one getting screwed but it will have the last laughed because the USA will be arsed deeply and terminally. With so many formidable enemies, the USA is not going to be safe and sound, notwithstanding it's military might. China is more than a match anytime anywhere. Long live PRC! Screw the Japs Yankees and their lackeys!
 

laksaboy

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Long live PRC! Screw the Japs Yankees and their lackeys!

I'm afraid the days of the PRC are numbered. China - the new China - on the other hand, will survive and thrive.

Of course, the situation could be helped if Xi Jinping is removed from power and a moderate leader - one who understands how the economy works - takes charge.

But don't expect Winnie the Pooh - President for Life and Chairman Mao wannabe, to relinquish his power anytime soon. :wink:
 

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Huawei owns the permanent authorisation of ARM8a. They can start building their CPU based on it and it perfectly legit.

The greatest hindrance to the development of chips industry in china is not lack of know-how or expertise but lack of market since even Chinese companies prefer to use the most advance foreign chips leaving very little room for domestic chips maker to sell and improve their products

With the latest ban, Trump has ironically provide the catalyst for Made in china 2025.

So short term wise China will suffer more but eventually USA will bear the long term pain as china always thrive under embargo.
 

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So many Huawei supporters here-and I assume they are ethnic Chinese.
Many conveniently ignore the fact that CHINA is a COMMUNIST country and millions of its people live in poverty and work as cheap labour overseas.
If you have Malaysian chinese relatives and friends, they would have send you all sorts of news supporting Huawei as though they are China patriots .
Best part is, these Malaysian Chinese send their kids to study in Australia, UK and USA hoping eventually to migrate there! -why not send your kids to study in PRC and migrate to China if you are so patriotic ?
For those who support Huawei and indirectly PRC, put your money where your mouth is, invest in S chips, send your kids to school in China and better still migrate there.
Trump is ethnic German and imagine him supporting Germany
 

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So many Huawei supporters here-and I assume they are ethnic Chinese.
Many conveniently ignore the fact that CHINA is a COMMUNIST country and millions of its people live in poverty and work as cheap labour overseas.
If you have Malaysian chinese relatives and friends, they would have send you all sorts of news supporting Huawei as though they are China patriots .
Best part is, these Malaysian Chinese send their kids to study in Australia, UK and USA hoping eventually to migrate there! -why not send your kids to study in PRC and migrate to China if you are so patriotic ?
For those who support Huawei and indirectly PRC, put your money where your mouth is, invest in S chips, send your kids to school in China and better still migrate there.
Trump is ethnic German and imagine him supporting Germany
Makes no sense. The only thing communist about China is, their leaders are not selected via a democratic election. So you think what you have in Singapore and Thailand is better? At least I wouldn’t call the leadership selection process in China a joke.
 

LordElrond

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So many Huawei supporters here-and I assume they are ethnic Chinese.
Many conveniently ignore the fact that CHINA is a COMMUNIST country and millions of its people live in poverty and work as cheap labour overseas.
If you have Malaysian chinese relatives and friends, they would have send you all sorts of news supporting Huawei as though they are China patriots .
Best part is, these Malaysian Chinese send their kids to study in Australia, UK and USA hoping eventually to migrate there! -why not send your kids to study in PRC and migrate to China if you are so patriotic ?
For those who support Huawei and indirectly PRC, put your money where your mouth is, invest in S chips, send your kids to school in China and better still migrate there.
Trump is ethnic German and imagine him supporting Germany
By your logic, whoever supporting the American ideology should sent their kids to study in the US. Yes China has 1.4bn people and a lot of them live in poverty. But at least the trend is improving, every decade they have more people getting out of poverty trap. Whereas in beloved Singkapore, the income disparity is getting larger.
 

borom

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By your logic, whoever supporting the American ideology should sent their kids to study in the US...…. Whereas in beloved Singkapore, the income disparity is getting larger.
I agree with you on Singapore-going backwards under the PAP.
As for those who are anti-American, or anti Western, why send their kids to these very countries? Its like a contradiction.
Being ethnic Chinese does not means must support China-as an example the vast majority of those who fought against the British in the American War of Independence were of British descent (English, Scottish and Irish).
 
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