Students for Liberty respond to Shanmugam on Death Penalty

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[Leongsam]

The problem in many Asian countries is that harsh penalties for drug trafficking and use are not enforced. This is because law enforcement is complicit in the crime and those involved in the drug trade know full well that they money buys them protection from prosecution.

However in incorruptible Singapore the harsh penalties work wonders in preventing the proliferation of drugs because enforcement is excellent and the dealers know full well that they will face the gallows when caught.

If the rest of Asia can weed out the corruption that has permeated their agencies the scourge of drugs will be a thing of the past.

 

[scroobal]

Most Singaporeans have never touched or seen first hand these prohibited drugs. Our schools are free from it in the main. And we like it like that.

Trump just declared an emergency on opioids. There are towns in the US that cannot employ heavy machinery staff because they cannot pass the urine test.

They should focus on helping the US with their warped sense of economics and the meaning of victimless crime. Nobody forced this traffickers to take on this trade.

 

[yellowarse]

Rehashing the same old debate again.

Firstly, study after study has shown that the death penalty is not a stronger deterrent than life imprisonment without parole. Speak to anyone and they'll tell you they'd rather die than spend their life in a cell.

Drugs are a great scourge, but thinking that capital punishment will deter drug crimes more than life incarceration is simply wrongheaded and a myth.

Secondly, from the standpoint of legal justice, all penal systems must serve 4 primary aims: punitive, deterrent, rehabilitative, restitutive.

The death penalty serves to punish and deter. You can't rehab and restore a dead body.

Life imprisonment serves all 4 goals.

You take your pick. Ironic that conservative moral guardians everywhere opt for retribution in form of the taking of a life at the expense of the potential to rehabilitate a person.

 

[Leongsam]

Rehashing the same old debate again.

Firstly, study after study has shown that the death penalty is not a stronger deterrent than life imprisonment without parole. Speak to anyone and they'll tell you they'd rather die than spend their life in a cell.

Drugs are a great scourge, but thinking that capital punishment will deter drug crimes more than life incarceration is simply wrongheaded and a myth.

Secondly, from the standpoint of legal justice, all penal systems must serve 4 primary aims: punitive, deterrent, rehabilitative, restitutive.

The death penalty serves to punish and deter. You can't rehab and restore a dead body.

Life imprisonment serves all 4 goals.

You take your pick. Ironic that conservative moral guardians everywhere opt for retribution in form of the taking of a life at the expense of the potential to rehabilitate a person.

Capital punishment works wonders in Singapore and it would do the same in all other countries if the laws were properly enforced.

The idea that a penal systems have to serve 4 primary aims is a load of liberal bull. The penal system is there to ensure that laws are enforced. Without enforcement there is no deterrent. Punishment is part of enforcement.

The punishment should fit the crime and those who sow the seeds of death and destruction via drugs deserve to be removed from society permanently with minimum cost to the taxpayer.

 

[yellowarse]

Capital punishment works wonders in Singapore and it would do the same in all other countries if the laws were properly enforced.

These studies that compared drug and crime rates before and after capital punishment was abolished were all done in First World countries where enforcement was never an issue, e.g. in the southern states in the US and in European nations. We're not talking about ineffectual, corrupt Third World criminal justice systems.

All of them show that life imprisonment without parole is as effective – if not more so – a deterrent as capital punishment. That's a fact.

Punishment is part of enforcement, true. Taking a man's freedom away by locking him in a cell for the rest of his life is as draconian a punishment as they come.

 

[Leongsam]

Punishment is part of enforcement, true. Taking a man's freedom away by locking him in a cell for the rest of his life is as draconian a punishment as they come.

It's also a very expensive form of punishment and it certainly isn't sufficient for those who have committed 1st degree murder.

Harsh punishment works wonders and the harsher the punishment the more effective it is. Just look at how well behaved we all were in the army compared to school.

 

[eatshitndie]

for heinous crimes, punishment should be death by 69 thousand cuts over 6.9 weeks. family victims of these crimes can participate in some of the cuts as an option. almost instant death by injection, hanging, or electrocution is not as strong a deterrent as slow, agonizing death (like some cancer deaths) with no possibility of healing or recovery. cuts must be done with blunt knives and cleavers, and body parts are fed raw to other inmates waiting for their capital punishment. no normal meals for them.

 

[Leongsam]

for heinous crimes, punishment should be death by 69 thousand cuts over 6.9 weeks. family victims of these crimes can participate in some of the cuts as an option. almost instant death by injection, hanging, or electrocution is not as strong a deterrent as slow, agonizing death (like some cancer deaths) with no possibility of healing or recovery. cuts must be done with blunt knives and cleavers, and body parts are fed raw to other inmates waiting for their capital punishment. no normal meals for them.

May I suggest the rack at the rate of 6.9 mm per day.

The rack is a torture device consisting of a rectangular, usually wooden frame, slightly raised from the ground, with a roller at one or both ends. The victim's ankles are fastened to one roller and the wrists are chained to the other. As the interrogation progresses, a handle and ratchet mechanismattached to the top roller are used to very gradually increase the tension on the chains, inducing excruciating pain. By means of pulleys and levers this roller could be rotated on its own axis, thus straining the ropes until the sufferer's joints were dislocated and eventually separated. Additionally, if muscle fibres are stretched excessively, they lose their ability to contract, rendering them ineffective.

One gruesome aspect of being stretched too far on the rack is the loud popping noises made by snapping cartilage, ligaments or bones. One powerful method for putting pressure upon prisoners was to force them to watch someone else being subjected to the rack. Confining the prisoner on the rack enabled further tortures to be simultaneously applied, typically including burning the flanks with hot torches or candles or using pincers made with specially roughened grips to tear out the nails of the fingers and toes. Usually, the victim's shoulders and hips would be separated and their elbows, knees, wrists, and ankles would be dislocated.

 

[eatshitndie]

May I suggest the rack at the rate of 6.9 mm per day.

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The rack is a torture device consisting of a rectangular, usually wooden frame, slightly raised from the ground, with a roller at one or both ends. The victim's ankles are fastened to one roller and the wrists are chained to the other. As the interrogation progresses, a handle and ratchet mechanismattached to the top roller are used to very gradually increase the tension on the chains, inducing excruciating pain. By means of pulleys and levers this roller could be rotated on its own axis, thus straining the ropes until the sufferer's joints were dislocated and eventually separated. Additionally, if muscle fibres are stretched excessively, they lose their ability to contract, rendering them ineffective.

One gruesome aspect of being stretched too far on the rack is the loud popping noises made by snapping cartilage, ligaments or bones. One powerful method for putting pressure upon prisoners was to force them to watch someone else being subjected to the rack. Confining the prisoner on the rack enabled further tortures to be simultaneously applied, typically including burning the flanks with hot torches or candles or using pincers made with specially roughened grips to tear out the nails of the fingers and toes. Usually, the victim's shoulders and hips would be separated and their elbows, knees, wrists, and ankles would be dislocated.

great for shorties. for a brief 6.9 hours they can “enjoy” being more lanky or taller before they pass out from excruciating pain. the scourge of illegal drug and opioid trafficking will be eliminated with simple punishments that extract maximum shock and impact on would-be criminals. keep it simple and stupid (kiss) has always been effective problem solvers. unfortunately fuckwit liberals citing “humane” and “humanity” bs have twisted simple concepts of crime and punishment into a never-ending thesis of analysis-paralysis, which left to its own devices is torturing (no pun intended). :p

 

[steffychun]

Ministers should try it out first then enforce it.

 

[zhihau]

Harsh punishment works wonders and the harsher the punishment the more effective it is.

I like the idea of harsh punishment. Forced labour camps! Life Long Forced Labour for these twits. It's far harsher than a long drop and piak!

Yes! Forced labour camps! It's a solution for those foreign labourers too!

 

[Leongsam]

great for shorties. for a brief 6.9 hours they can “enjoy” being more lanky or taller before they pass out from excruciating pain. the scourge of illegal drug and opioid trafficking will be eliminated with simple punishments that extract maximum shock and impact on would-be criminals. keep it simple and stupid (kiss) has always been effective problem solvers. unfortunately fuckwit liberals citing “humane” and “humanity” bs have twisted simple concepts of crime and punishment into a never-ending thesis of analysis-paralysis, which left to its own devices is torturing (no pun intended). :p

Society no longer understands boundaries. They assume that everything is negotiable and debatable. Law and order has deteriorated as a result.

The sooner criminals are punished rather than rehabilitated the sooner the lawlessness that has taken over many so called "civilized" societies will be eliminated.

 

[red amoeba]

Who gonna pay for those permanent guests without paroles in Changi Hilton ? Not me.

I am for the death penalty. Already Singapore has relaxed the mandatory death penalty for drugs. There is nothing to rehab or restore if one is gonna spend the entire life behind bars. Might as well die and go reincarnate.

Already our prison are overflowing with petty criminals. We don’t need A block to be chokeful of long stayers.

 

[zhihau]

Who gonna pay for those permanent guests without paroles in Changi Hilton ? Not me.

Hmm... the criminals can pay for their own food by manufacturing stuffs in the prison for sale.

 

[Leongsam]

Hmm... the criminals can pay for their own food by manufacturing stuffs in the prison for sale.

I can assure you the stuff they make doesn't even cover 1% of the cost of their upkeep.