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UOB Sue Lippo Marina For Misrepresenting Condo Sales Price! Subprime Crisis Looming?

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Hi , how cum got main case and sub case .

very confusing.

Question : how cum UOB has not made any CPIB , CAD and or Police Reports yet ?

Why ???

Actually, its not that confusing. There are 3 legal actions going on here. UOB is taking legal actions against Lippo, the buyers and the ERA agents. UOB has to go to court to win. Once they they do it, they can go after the ERA agents. The agents should be covered under their errors and omissions insurance. So, a guilty finding against them should enable Lippo to sue them for damages and if they don't have the money, their insurance will cover it. I am surprised the valuator was not sued by UOB too. If I were Lippo, I will call the valuators as witness in court. After all they are hired by UOB and on their approved list. The valuators will have no choice but to testify that they did indeed value the property at that price, and Lippo would then say, "see, even your own valuators say its worth this much, therefore, there is no fraud" and that would be the end of the case. I mean what is the property valuator supposed to say? their appraisal was no good? they made an error and overinflated it?

This whole case smells very political to me. Old Fart and Wee Cho Yaw were golfing buddies. I do not know if that relationship went down to Gay Loong and the Wee kids. If they do, then its just political. Gay Loong helping old family friends Wee to whack cheating Indons even though there is no case. Of interest here is that the Judicial Commissioner Aedit ABdullah was the former Chief Prosecutor if I am not mistaken. Surely, if the current AG will not bring any criminal charges against any of the involved parties for fraud or cheating, then why is the former Chief Prosecutor allowing the case to go to trial? He should know too there is no case. It says the Assistant Registrar has already dismissed UOB application for settlement. Meaning there was no grounds for them. And yet, after UOB appealed, the case is allowed to go on. It really stinks.
 
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When either side lose their name will be reduced to ippo properties n OB bank
 
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Lippo is an unethical company. the screwed malaysia's astro by collecting subscription and not giving it to the parent company for satellite TV service.The amount? USD250 mil.
and its UOB fault for any loan default. they were suppose to vet the borrower and the property value. now they try to blame others.
 
Re: UOB Sue Lippo Marina For Misrepresenting Condo Sales Price! Subprime Crisis Loomi

Lippo is an unethical company. the screwed malaysia's astro by collecting subscription and not giving it to the parent company for satellite TV service.The amount? USD250 mil.
and its UOB fault for any loan default. they were suppose to vet the borrower and the property value. now they try to blame others.


You're right.... this Riady bastard is a fucking crook!

Besides his attempt to cheat Astro's Tan Sri Ananda Krishnan, he is also wanted by the FBI for money laundering in the US.

He made huge donations to Bill Clinton and used his name to do money laundering.

To my knowledge, Riady is behind the whole conspiracy involving the two agents together with UOB senior staffs and that is why UOB overlooked his crooked past.
 
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Re: UOB Sue Lippo Marina For Misrepresenting Condo Sales Price! Subprime Crisis Loomi

Lippo is an unethical company. the screwed malaysia's astro by collecting subscription and not giving it to the parent company for satellite TV service.The amount? USD250 mil.
and its UOB fault for any loan default. they were suppose to vet the borrower and the property value. now they try to blame others.

Aiyah, all sides are unethical and crooks. Lippo is already well documented. UOB are no saints themselves. Wee Cho Yaw turned his own personal vendetta against Alan Ng and got him in jail from trumped up charges aided by the kangaroo court system and his buddy Old Fart. Not to mention you do not build up such a big bank by being a choirboy. The 2 ERA agents are crooks too for colluding with the buyers and Lippo. The Buyers are crooks too, as they probably took commission from Lippo or someone else to carry this out. In the end, no one is innocent.
 
Re: UOB Sue Lippo Marina For Misrepresenting Condo Sales Price! Subprime Crisis Loomi

You're right.... this Riady bastard is a fucking crook!

Besides his attempt to cheat Astro's Tan Sri Ananda Krishnan, he is also wanted by the FBI for money laundering in the US.

He made huge donations to Bill Clinton and used his name to do money laundering.

To my knowledge, Riady is behind the whole conspiracy involving the two agents together with UOB senior staffs and that is why UOB overlooked his crooked past.


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Mochtar Riady, right, founder of the Lippo Group conglomerate, with his son James, in a 1994 photo.



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In 1985 Gov Bill Clinton of Arkansas and his wife, Hillary, met with Mochtar Riady, Lippo Group's founder. Riady's son, James, pleaded guilty in 2001 to a U.S. fraud charge.



Disgraced James Riady, barred from travel to the US



By Andrew Higgins
Washington Post Foreign Service
Tuesday, January 5, 2010



JAKARTA, INDONESIA - In March 2004, James Riady, an Indonesian tycoon and devout Christian, received an honorary doctorate from Ouachita Baptist University in Arkansas. The university which has a scholarship program funded by the Indonesian didn't announce the honor. Nor did Riady pick up the diploma in person: He'd been barred from America after pleading guilty in 2001 to a "conspiracy to defraud the United States" through illegal contributions to the campaigns of Bill Clinton and other Democrats.

Last year, however, the Indonesian mogul finally made it to Arkansas. He travelled there during the first of two previously unreported trips he made in 2009 to the United States. He was allowed in only after receiving a waiver from a rule that forbids entry to foreigners guilty of "a crime involving moral turpitude," a term that government lawyers generally interpret to include fraud.

Riady's return to the United States poses a prickly question for Hillary Clinton's State Department: How and why did a foreign billionaire stained by Clinton-era scandals get a U.S. visa after being kept out for so long under the Bush administration?

The ethnic Chinese magnate's ties to the Clintons have been a source of heated controversy since the late 1990s, when Riady became embroiled in one of the murkiest episodes of the Clinton presidency -- a campaign fundraising scandal that caused a big political ruckus in Washington amid Republican Party allegations, never proved, of meddling by China's intelligence services in American politics.

The saga brought Riady and his family-run conglomerate, Lippo Group, an $8.6 million fine, the biggest penalty in the history of U.S. campaign finance violations.

A close look at Riady's quiet American comeback, along with dramas back home in Indonesia that preceded it, reveals how one of Asia's best-known and most complicated businessmen has deployed a potent mix of faith, chutzpah and charity in a long quest for rehabilitation. It also reveals a man beset by contradictions -- a dedicated student of the Bible who has a reputation in Indonesia for showing scant forgiveness to those who cross him; a generous philanthropist whose Lippo Group is notorious in Jakarta business circles for its raw pursuit of profit; a proud man who was humiliated by his entanglement with the Clintons but who has now sought to reenter their world.

Riady, 52, declined to be interviewed but, in an e-mailed response to written questions, he said the teachings of Christ "inform all that I do." He said he hadn't seen the Clintons during his 2009 trips to America but did pay $20,000 to become a member of the Clinton Global Initiative, an annual gathering of prominent figures in politics, business and philanthropy sponsored by Bill Clinton.

A senior State Department official said Hillary Clinton had no knowledge of the decision to let Riady enter the United States. The tycoon's visa, he said, was issued by the U.S. Embassy in Jakarta after the Indonesian asked to travel to America so that he could attend family graduation ceremonies. Riady, added the official, was granted entry for a "very narrow purpose."

On his first visit in May, Riady watched his son, John, graduate from the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School and his daughter, Stephanie, graduate from Wheaton College, a Christian school in Illinois. He also travelled to Arkansas to see Ouachita Baptist University's president, Rex Horne, the former pastor of the Clintons' Little Rock church. Riady, who has an educational foundation in Indonesia, said he visited about 15 American universities and schools and said he had made clear in his application to enter the United States that this was the main purpose of his travels. "I have a well documented passion for education," Riady said in his e-mail.

On his second visit, however, he reached out beyond American campuses. In September he went to a business forum in Boston of Indonesian and American executives. He also registered for a meeting in New York of the Clinton Global Initiative, along with a galaxy of big-name guests such as President Obama and Secretary of State Clinton. Riady, in his e-mail, said he wanted to attend because "educational issues were on the agenda" but, in the end, didn't "because I was unable to fit it into my schedule."

Riady's wide range of activities in America didn't violate the terms of his visa, American officials say, but they nonetheless caused consternation in the upper reaches of the State Department. The tycoon, one State Department official said, is free to apply to visit again but "the reality of his past remains a significant obstacle for future travel to the United States."

The Clinton connection

Riady, who trained as an investment banker in New York, met Bill Clinton in 1978 when the Indonesian spent four months in Little Rock, where Lippo bought a local bank, according to court documents. Returning to the United States in 1984, Riady stayed in Arkansas for two years before moving to California, and had frequent contacts with then-governor Clinton.

Riady, who obtained a green card that he later gave up, told prosecutors that he didn't make political contributions during his early years in Arkansas but that he did later get involved in Democratic fundraising. After a 1992 limousine ride with Clinton, he pledged to help raise $1 million for the governor's presidential campaign and visited the White House repeatedly during the Clinton presidency, according to court documents.

The relationship ended in disaster for Riady, who, before a Los Angeles court in 2001, pleaded guilty to a felony charge arising from his use of "dishonest and deceitful means" to funnel funds from Lippo companies overseas into the campaign coffers of Clinton and others. The money was not given directly by Riady or Lippo, but was used instead to reimburse other donors.

After the 2001 court appearance, Riady returned to Jakarta to run Lippo Group, a sprawling corporate empire founded by his father, Mochtar, with interests ranging from property and health care to finance and media. He since has mostly avoided talking about the scandal, but, in an interview posted in October on the Wharton School's Web site, he discussed it briefly, saying he has tried "to be wiser and remind myself that money and power are both a blessing and a curse." He said he "had to face the reality that business and politics do not mix."

But Riady still clearly relishes mixing with the rich and politically powerful. He has become a regular at events organized by the World Economic Forum, a Swiss-based club of global power brokers to which Lippo pays more than $40,000 per year in corporate membership fees.

The question of whether Riady would be able to return to the United States was first raised in 2000 during plea bargain negotiations. As part of the plea agreement, Riady agreed not to seek entry for two years. Riady, in his e-mail, said the lead prosecutor in the case, Daniel O'Brien, wrote a letter that "specifically stated that my crime was NOT moral turpitude." A copy of the letter on file with the Los Angeles court, however, includes no such statement by O'Brien. It notes only that the businessman might need a waiver if "the appropriate authorities determine that Riady has committed a crime of moral turpitude." The letter records that Riady had informed the U.S. government that he might seek to visit America in the future "for business or personal reasons" and says the businessman could use the letter to support an application for a waiver if he complies with the terms of the plea agreement.

The 2001 plea agreement, which Riady signed on Jan. 10, 2001 -- 10 days before George W. Bush became president -- infuriated many Republicans, who complained that the deal prevented a full accounting of Riady's fundraising activities for Clinton and other Democrats. The tycoon's already dim prospects of getting back into the United States under a Republican administration darkened further with the Sept. 11 attacks, which led to a general tightening of visa procedures.

Riady, in his e-mail, said the 2009 trips -- made on a six-month, multiple-entry visitor's visa issued in May -- were his first to this country since his 2001 guilty plea. He said the U.S. Embassy in Jakarta "recommended" that he be given a waiver from the Department of Homeland Security, which signs off on such matters. Riady said the department "concurred" at the end of October 2008. The department declined to comment.

A free spender

Riady has worked hard -- and spent lavishly -- to put the Clinton-era scandals behind him. He has donated large sums to charity, nurtured close ties with U.S. Christian groups and befriended U.S. diplomats and business people in Indonesia.

Ouachita Baptist University, which gave Riady the 2004 honorary degree, won't say how much he donates to a scholarship fund, or comment on whether he's provided other money. Biola University, a Christian school in Southern California visited by Riady in October, has also received money but won't say how much.

The businessman has also donated to Christian causes in Indonesia, a mostly Muslim nation with a small but influential community of Christians. A massive new church, seminary and concert hall complex in Jakarta was built with Riady's help, said its chief pastor, Stephen Tong. Riady also supports a Christian university and a high school. Forbes magazine last year named him a "hero of philanthropy."

"It is incumbent upon all businessmen who are Christians to try to seed the teachings of Christ in all that we do," Riady said in his e-mail.

All along, though, Riady's religiosity, generosity and elite networking have coexisted uneasily with what critics and admirers alike describe as a peculiarly unforgiving approach to those who challenge him in business or cast doubt on his oft-stated high moral standards.

"He is Jekyll and Hyde," said Bambang Harymurti, a friend of Riady and director of Tempo, a leading Indonesian magazine. He praised the mogul as a man of broad culture and sincere faith but also likened him to American robber barons such as John D. Rockefeller. "They were also good, God-fearing Christians," Harymurti said.

Riady's companies have a long record of disputes with business rivals and also partners, most recently with a Malaysian billionaire and the French hypermarket operator Carrefour. In February a Jakarta court jailed a close associate of Riady, Billy Sindoro, also a Christian, for trying to bribe a government antitrust regulator whose agency had issued a ruling that helped Lippo in a row with its estranged Malaysian partner.

Lippo's general counsel, responding to written questions, said Sindoro, the former director of a Lippo company called First Media, was no longer a Lippo executive when he handed a bag full of cash to the antitrust official. Lippo, said the lawyer, had no prior knowledge of Sindoro's "lone personal acts."
 
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Mochtar Riady, right, founder of the Lippo Group conglomerate, with his son James, in a 1994 photo.



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In 1985 Gov Bill Clinton of Arkansas and his wife, Hillary, met with Mochtar Riady, Lippo Group's founder. Riady's son, James, pleaded guilty in 2001 to a U.S. fraud charge.



Disgraced James Riady, barred from travel to the US

JAKARTA, INDONESIA - In March 2004, James Riady, an Indonesian tycoon and devout Christian, received an honorary doctorate from Ouachita Baptist University in Arkansas. The university which has a scholarship program funded by the Indonesian didn't announce the honor. Nor did Riady pick up the diploma in person: He'd been barred from America after pleading guilty in 2001 to a "conspiracy to defraud the United States" through illegal contributions to the campaigns of Bill Clinton and other Democrats.

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How come this devout Xitian not afraid of judgement day and hell?
 
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subprime crisis in singapore coming,pretty soon mcdonalds workers will be able to take out multi million dollar bank loans to buy sentosa cove properties.
 
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Mochtar Riady, right, founder of the Lippo Group conglomerate, with his son James, in a 1994 photo.


Father & son have got a typical fucking face of a crook!

Am sure if Uncle Wee had seen their faces, he would have blocked the housing loans.
 
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They have been negotiating for three years to settle this case.

Riady hired the two agents from ERA to pull off this scheme. The two agents made a killing on this deal and they have left town.

Nobody can cheat Wee Cho Yaw in Singapore and get away.



Thanks for Info :p



Quote Originally Posted by Papsmearer View Post

They have to do a cost benefit analysis. It may be better to just sell the units and take a $1 million to $2 million hit on each of them. If they wait longer, the market might go down more and may not recover for many years. banks are not in the habit of owning and managing the properties they foreclose on. If they can't get tenants, and still have to pay the property tax and strata fee, it just adds up to more money that they will have to recover in a bad market.





Sir , I got Update here :



26 Jan 2015 08:50


UOB suit: former agents' sons, daughter, nephew also named



By: LYNETTE KHOO


Publication: The Business Times 19/01/2015


Lending bank claims conspiracy by 8 defendants in purchase and mortgages for 38 Sentosa condo units

[email protected]

@LynetteKhooBT



Singapore



TWO former real estate agents and their related parties have denied allegations by United Overseas Bank that they were involved in a "conspiracy" to mislead the bank into offering them inflated housing loans.

Goh Buck Lim, a former employee of ERA Realty, and Aurellia Adrianus Ho, a former freelance property agent, said in their statement of defence that they are not liable to the plaintiff for any alleged purchase price misrepresentations of 38 condo units at Marina Collection (MC) in Sentosa.

The other five defendants - all closely related to either of the agents - also filed their defence with the court last week, saying that they have no knowledge of the matters pleaded in UOB's claims.

They are Mr Goh's sons Clarke Goh and Ewis Goh, Ms Ho's daughter Jennifer Janeth, Ms Ho's nephew Erfan Syah Putra and his wife Theodora Budi Halimundjaja. All five of the younger defendants were in their 20s and 30s at the time of the transactions.


In what is seen as an unprecedented lawsuit, UOB is suing a Lippo Group subsidiary (first defendant) and the seven individuals for allegedly misleading the bank into granting inflated housing loans for 38 MC units between late 2011 and July 2013. The bank claimed that they failed to disclose substantial furniture rebates amounting to 22-34 per cent discounts on the purchase prices averaging S$6 million.

"As a result, the Housing Loans exceeded the maximum permissible amount of loan stipulated in the MAS Notice 632 in relation to Residential Property Loans, and indeed, the actual purchase prices in all instances," UOB said in its statement of claims.

The bank also alleges that many of the buyers procured by Mr Goh and Ms Ho were "fronts for the second to eighth defendants and did not in fact have the financial means to service the housing loans".

Of the 38 units, 37 have defaulted. Two buyers have since admitted to the bank that their purchases of the units were not genuine, UOB claims.


Mr Goh and Ms Ho revealed in their statement of defence that six purchasers were direct buyers, in other words the intended beneficial owners, while the other 32 purchasers were nominees for various investors based in Indonesia.

"Such nominee arrangements are common in Indonesia and amongst Indonesians and were not wrongful or unlawful to (their) knowledge and belief," they said.

But they claim that their role in the housing loan application "was that of liaison between the Plaintiff and the Purchasers" and that they provided no input on how the forms were to be filled.

Mr Goh's sons were studying in Singapore during the material time when the alleged conspiracy took place. They explained that their father "would request that they sign blank cheques" from their bank accounts but they did not know what the signed cheques were for.

As for Ms Janeth, she said in the statement of defence that she was not involved and did not have knowledge of details concerning the purchase of an MC unit, except that she was informed by her mother Ms Ho that they were going to buy an MC unit under her name and that Ms Ho would service the loan. Since Ms Janeth was studying in the US, Ms Ho would ask her to "pre-sign blank cheques when she was in Singapore".


Mr Goh and Ms Ho are represented by Straits Law Practice; Mr Goh's two sons and Ms Janeth are represented by Eugene Thuraisingam LLP. The youngest defendant Clarke Goh was around 22 years old when the transactions in question took place.


Mr Putra and his wife, represented by Mallal & Namazie, say in their statement of defence that they each secured housing loans from UOB to buy MC units, after Ms Ho approached her nephew Mr Putra "with the opportunity to invest in property in Singapore, specifically, at the MC".

But the couple claim that they were not aware of the furniture rebates. Neither do they have knowledge of cheques being issued by them to any of the 28 other buyers.

UOB alleges that the several deposit payments made via personal cheques issued by Mr Goh and his two sons, Ms Janeth, Mr Putra and his wife are evidence that the purchases of 28 buyers were actually purchases by the second to eighth defendants, acting individually or collectively.


There were also funds transfers between the accounts of the purchasers and the accounts of Mr Goh and his sons so that there would be sums ranging from S$200,000 to S$1.2 million in the bank accounts of the purchasers at the time of their housing loan applications. UOB claims that they did this knowing that having S$200,000 in assets under management with the bank was one of the criteria for loan approval.

Meanwhile, Lippo Marina Collection asserts in its filing of defence that financing of the units is a matter solely between the purchasers and their bank.
 
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They have been negotiating for three years to settle this case.

Riady hired the two agents from ERA to pull off this scheme. The two agents made a killing on this deal and they have left town.

Nobody can cheat Wee Cho Yaw in Singapore and get away.



Strange Case . Why still no Police Report ? Agents Passports could have been

impounded . :confused:

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Re: UOB Sue Lippo Marina For Misrepresenting Condo Sales Price! Subprime Crisis Loomi

They have been negotiating for three years to settle this case.

Riady hired the two agents from ERA to pull off this scheme. The two agents made a killing on this deal and they have left town.

Nobody can cheat Wee Cho Yaw in Singapore and get away.

That's why I always said ALL bankers and property agents /developers are ALL crooks!!! you know the economy is shits and a big crash is already unfolding when you have a set of crooks trying to cheat another set of crooks. Read my old posts last year. I predicted the crash then and now having the last laugh. Cash is king!!!!
 
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this has nothing to do with whether local or elites etc. this type of con job is nothing new. In the 1996/7 financial crises in Indonesia that's what alot of corrupt indon companies did. receive kickbags when extending loans to crooks or over inflated assets. when the bubble burst alot of these crooks just declare bankrupt and ran off. the banks esp garmen aided then ask the central banks to bail them out. win-win for lender and borrowers. either way ultimately it is the central garmen and tax payers who loses. that's how marcos and suharto got kicked out. but don't expect sinkie garmen to save UOB this time. BTW lippo is an indon conglomerate. you connect the dots...........

no wonder heard my colleague telling me that 3 local banks are issuing bonds. 1 billion for dbs and ocbc. uob 2 billions.
 
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Actually, its not that confusing. There are 3 legal actions going on here. UOB is taking legal actions against Lippo, the buyers and the ERA agents. UOB has to go to court to win. Once they they do it, they can go after the ERA agents. The agents should be covered under their errors and omissions insurance. So, a guilty finding against them should enable Lippo to sue them for damages and if they don't have the money, their insurance will cover it. I am surprised the valuator was not sued by UOB too. If I were Lippo, I will call the valuators as witness in court. After all they are hired by UOB and on their approved list. The valuators will have no choice but to testify that they did indeed value the property at that price, and Lippo would then say, "see, even your own valuators say its worth this much, therefore, there is no fraud" and that would be the end of the case. I mean what is the property valuator supposed to say? their appraisal was no good? they made an error and overinflated it?

This whole case smells very political to me. Old Fart and Wee Cho Yaw were golfing buddies. I do not know if that relationship went down to Gay Loong and the Wee kids. If they do, then its just political. Gay Loong helping old family friends Wee to whack cheating Indons even though there is no case. Of interest here is that the Judicial Commissioner Aedit ABdullah was the former Chief Prosecutor if I am not mistaken. Surely, if the current AG will not bring any criminal charges against any of the involved parties for fraud or cheating, then why is the former Chief Prosecutor allowing the case to go to trial? He should know too there is no case. It says the Assistant Registrar has already dismissed UOB application for settlement. Meaning there was no grounds for t
hem. And yet, after UOB appealed, the case is allowed to go on. It really stinks.


hmm... may i know at which stage from here will the Police , CPIB or CAD step in - even if no formal reports lodged ???

is zzit no reports lodged = equal no frauds ???
 
Re: UOB Sue Lippo Marina For Misrepresenting Condo Sales Price! Subprime Crisis Loomi

Aiyah, all sides are unethical and crooks. Lippo is already well documented. UOB are no saints themselves. Wee Cho Yaw turned his own personal vendetta against Alan Ng and got him in jail from trumped up charges aided by the kangaroo court system and his buddy Old Fart. Not to mention you do not build up such a big bank by being a choirboy. The 2 ERA agents are crooks too for colluding with the buyers and Lippo. The Buyers are crooks too, as they probably took commission from Lippo or someone else to carry this out. In the end, no one is innocent.


many ex agents were jailed for doing much less . Just go Google - hdb " cash-back" scheme .
 
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hmm... may i know at which stage from here will the Police , CPIB or CAD step in - even if no formal reports lodged ???

is zzit no reports lodged = equal no frauds ???

Its very possible that the police report was lodge already by UOB against all concerned. But the Police probably declined to pursue charges due to the fact that ultimately, UOB failed to do its due diligence. After all, banks decline mortgages to people all the time and in this case they simply did not do so. This would have been the cheapest cause of action for UOB. If the police had proceeded to file cheating and fraud charges and the AG brings them to court, and all the parties were found guilty, then it would have been a lot easier for UOB to enforce a civil action to recover its losses. Its no use suing the buyers, they are just straw men. The agents and their company can easily be sued as well as Lippo. They should win it easily based on the fraud convictions. It would have been a lot cheaper then for UOB to hire lawyers to go after them.
 
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There were also funds transfers between the accounts of the purchasers and the accounts of Mr Goh and his sons so that there would be sums ranging from S$200,000 to S$1.2 million in the bank accounts of the purchasers at the time of their housing loan applications. UOB claims that they did this knowing that having S$200,000 in assets under management with the bank was one of the criteria for loan approval.

This statement by UOB is already condemning their due diligence process. How much assets under management should never have been used a a critiria nor even part of the criteria for giving a loan.
 
Re: UOB Sue Lippo Marina For Misrepresenting Condo Sales Price! Subprime Crisis Loomi

There were also funds transfers between the accounts of the purchasers and the accounts of Mr Goh and his sons so that there would be sums ranging from S$200,000 to S$1.2 million in the bank accounts of the purchasers at the time of their housing loan applications. UOB claims that they did this knowing that having S$200,000 in assets under management with the bank was one of the criteria for loan approval.

This statement by UOB is already condemning their due diligence process. How much assets under management should never have been used a a critiria nor even part of the criteria for giving a loan.

self pwned lol.
 
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self pwned lol.

UOB should simply require the purchasers to leave the $200,000 in the account as an interest payment reserve. That way, it will scare off these fake buyers as they do not appear to have the $200K, and secondly, any missed mortgage payments can be taken from the interest reserve. That way, they will not have the problem they have right now. Once again, its UOB's fault for not doing it.
 
Re: UOB Sue Lippo Marina For Misrepresenting Condo Sales Price! Subprime Crisis Loomi

Aiyah, all sides are unethical and crooks. Lippo is already well documented. UOB are no saints themselves. Wee Cho Yaw turned his own personal vendetta against Alan Ng and got him in jail from trumped up charges aided by the kangaroo court system and his buddy Old Fart. Not to mention you do not build up such a big bank by being a choirboy. The 2 ERA agents are crooks too for colluding with the buyers and Lippo. The Buyers are crooks too, as they probably took commission from Lippo or someone else to carry this out. In the end, no one is innocent.

Good summary. They all knew what they were going into. It merely exploded and now all taking cover accusing the other side and claiming themselves innocent victims.
 
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