Canada to dump plans to purchase F-35

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It too bloody costly, and nobody except the US needs stealth capability. Better to look at some other fighter aircraft.

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http://ottawacitizen.com/news/polit...office-to-buy-replacement-aircraft-for-cf-18s

David Pugliese, Ottawa Citizen

Published on: November 15, 2015 | Last Updated: November 15, 2015 6:14 PM EST

The federal government has started taking action on a Liberal promise to dump the F-35 stealth fighter and purchase a cheaper aircraft to replace the military’s CF-18 jets.
Public Services and Procurement Canada has created a new office to oversee the purchase. Paula Folkes-Dallaire, a senior public servant from the Fisheries department, is slated to start Monday as senior director of the Future Fighter Capability project, sources told the Citizen.
So far, three employees are on the Public Services and Procurement team, but it is unclear how large it will eventually become.
Industry representatives say they expect the federal cabinet to look at the fighter aircraft replacement in early December and provide more details on how bureaucrats are to proceed.
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has said his government will withdraw from the U.S.-led F-35 fighter jet program and instead hold a competition for a less expensive aircraft to replace the military’s CF-18s.
“The team will work closely with National Defence and Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada to implement the government’s direction,” Michèle LaRose, a spokeswoman from Public Services and Procurement Canada, said in an email to the Citizen.
Trudeau has promised to quickly move on replacing the CF-18s.
“We will launch an open and transparent competition to replace the CF-18s, keeping in mind the primary mission of our fighter aircraft is the defence of North America,” he said during the election campaign. “This process will also ensure that bids include guaranteed industrial benefits for Canadian companies and workers.”
On Friday, the Liberal government released the mandate letters for its ministers, including those of the minister of defence and minister of public services and procurement. In the letters, Trudeau tells them to work together on launching “an open and transparent competition to replace the CF-18 fighter aircraft, focusing on options that match Canada’s defence needs.”
The Royal Canadian Air Force will co-ordinate with the Public Services and Procurement department on the new fighter jet and will be required to come up with a statement of requirements for the planes. The procurement branch at the DND will also assist the RCAF and be involved in the withdrawal from the F-35 program. There is no timeline yet for the withdrawal.
A Lockheed Martin spokeswoman said Canada continues to be a partner in the F-35 program. But the Liberal government isn’t expected to deviate from its plan to buy a cheaper alternative to the F-35.
Former DND procurement chief Alan Williams said the government can withdraw from the F-35 program without incurring any major penalties.
The F-35 became a major political headache several years ago for the then-Conservative government. Although the preceding Liberal government originally signed on to a research and development program for the plane, the Conservatives significantly expanded that involvement and in 2010 committed to buying 65 of the stealth aircraft.
But the program was dogged by controversy.
DND originally claimed the project would cost around $14.7 billion, but then-parliamentary budget officer Kevin Page put the price tag for 65 aircraft at around $29 billion.
Auditor General Michael Ferguson also issued a report that concluded DND officials withheld key information from Parliament about the fighter jet purchase, underestimated costs, and didn’t follow proper procurement rules.
An independent audit on the F-35 acquisition determined the purchase would cost Canadians $44 billion over the 42-year life of the plane. That figure includes everything from maintenance to fuel.
In addition, some U.S. lawmakers have raised concerns the aircraft is too expensive and won’t be able to fulfil its military’s requirements.
Trudeau said holding a competition for a new fighter jet would ensure Canadian firms receive work. Under the F-35 program, there were no guarantees Canadian companies would be entitled to a specific amount of work when Canada purchased the aircraft.
As of December 2014, 33 Canadian aerospace firms had been awarded $637 million U.S. in contracts on the F-35 program, according to the Canadian government.
Those companies warn they could lose that work when Canada withdraws from the U.S. initiative.
 
thats cause they just changed governments,daft and stupid 70 percent voted for it.

100 million dollar fighter jets for a bloody small and stupid country like SG.
 
Basically, it doesnt want the TIE Interceptor. TIE fighter good enough.
 
I'm not a pilot and have no idea of what it takes to fly and airplane, but I had an ex-school friend who flew the Northrop F-5 Tiger for RSAF and he and me did had quite lengthy bullshit sessions where he had the bragging rights to being Top Gun. I remember him talking about G-forces and that today's jet fighters (eg. F-16) are at the limit of what the human body can handle when it comes to tolerance to the plane's capabilities, so further development of the plane's performance (speed, turning radius) may not be a good thing because the pilot won't be able to handle them, it would be better to work on advancing its electronic avionics and weaponry - for dog-fights. If this is the case, then present generation jet fighters (F-16 and later) are all up there and closely match each other (Saab Gripen, Rafael, Super Hornet, Sukhoi Su-37). Stealth will only be useful for penetrating enemy airspace to bomb them and take out installations, which nobody has any need for apart from USA. So, the F-35 is not a suitable choice as an interceptor and air-defense. Factor in its price, and it starts to look a stupid choice. However, for its price tag, it would be a salesman's challenge, and prize. That's how I view the F-35.

Cheers!
 
Don't know why Mindeaf need to buy such expensive toys when some undeveloped neighbors can just sent poisonous smoke over to finish the job, and at a cost of just some kerosene and a matchstick. Less than a dollar!
 
I'm not a pilot and have no idea of what it takes to fly and airplane, but I had an ex-school friend who flew the Northrop F-5 Tiger for RSAF and he and me did had quite lengthy bullshit sessions where he had the bragging rights to being Top Gun. I remember him talking about G-forces and that today's jet fighters (eg. F-16) are at the limit of what the human body can handle when it comes to tolerance to the plane's capabilities, so further development of the plane's performance (speed, turning radius) may not be a good thing because the pilot won't be able to handle them, it would be better to work on advancing its electronic avionics and weaponry - for dog-fights. If this is the case, then present generation jet fighters (F-16 and later) are all up there and closely match each other (Saab Gripen, Rafael, Super Hornet, Sukhoi Su-37). Stealth will only be useful for penetrating enemy airspace to bomb them and take out installations, which nobody has any need for apart from USA. So, the F-35 is not a suitable choice as an interceptor and air-defense. Factor in its price, and it starts to look a stupid choice. However, for its price tag, it would be a salesman's challenge, and prize. That's how I view the F-35.

Cheers!

If the F-35 works as it was designed to, there is no contest. It will kill all legacy fighters like the F-16, F-15, F-18, Mig-29, Sukhoi SU-35 etc. all day until it runs out of missiles. Already, the F-22 is almost impossible to defeat matched up against multiple F-15s and F-16. They never know its there and by the time they do, its too late. F-35 is not designed to give the enemy a fair fight, i.e. one on one turning dogfight. Its meant to defeat you at long range and not even give you a chance. In this regard, the stealth element is vital. One squadron of F-35 in theory will defeat 4 or 5 squadrons of any enemy aircraft.

But viewed in the SE Asian context and with the knowledge of what our potential enemies fly and what they have in the foreseeable future, any decision by MINDEF to buy F-35 is way overkill. Even the F-15SG and the F-16 Block 50+ is already an overkill. The RSAF force of 1990 can defeat any air force in the region today.
 
As a non-military person, all I know for sure is that it is a very expensive piece of hardware. On paper, it is designed to be super, incorporating all the latest stuff. But I don't see the need for such equipment for Singapore. Agree that current hardware is very very impressive, anyone witnessing a flyby of RSAF's plane would be awed by it. I suppose the "wow" factor is what the policy makers want from the F-35.

Cheers!

If the F-35 works as it was designed to, there is no contest. It will kill all ............................................................................... is already an overkill. The RSAF force of 1990 can defeat any air force in the region today.
 
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