Chinese are the best, unlike thw evil westerners

[Sideswipe]

I will not know the actual accounts in all their detail and can only interpret/analyse from reports. Communism rose in China not as a result of a revolt by the urban proletariat (they are small in number compared to the agrarian peasants in the 40s)but the poor people's anger against the capitalist rich and land owners. Hence the violent reprisals against them, which would have been orchestrated/coordinated by the communist party members. I can guess that its probable that most people were not Communist party members, but the other player was Chiang Kai Shek's Nationalist party, who had the support of USA and further bolstered by the rich and city folk elite, so the masses would more likely identify with the Communists.

By choice, the Chinese (in fact, any human) would rather not be communist, but that's the way recent history took place in China and the party has come to stay to rule. It was my hope that Taiwan would rise and influence the mainland to revert to the Nationalist Party, but it is turning out to be the other way.

Cheers!

the Communists deceived the gullible and ignorant peasants. their promises of land to the peasants ( individual ownership ) became common land ownership under the CCP when they took power. the CCP's revolution succeeded on the back of Soviet Russian's money, material and guidance while the KMT was betrayed by the US. Communism was never the choice of the Chinese people. China was betrayed into Communism. that was the Chinese people's tragedy. the CCP erased it's atrocities, downplayed the Soviet help and greatly exaggerated the people's support to glorify their 1949 victory. the KMT has never properly tell its account of the events to the Chinese people and rest of the world till today. that period of Chinese history is well and truly screwed.

 

[Asterix]

Actually in social revolutions, it is not one class of people taking over another class of people, but rather, one group of relatively well-to-do people snatching the reigns over from another group of people. The "classes" or different social strata of people happen to be the "pawns" driven by differences in social class, ethnicity or religion and spurred to mob behaviour by the political executives working behind the scenes.

Generally, with the aid of technology, whether it be the printing press or internet, moving in the direction of more power to the people and that would be a good thing as long ... ... ... Zhou EnLai said it's too early to say what the effects of the French revolution are and he may well be right.

[video=youtube;lTTvKwCylFY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTTvKwCylFY[/video]

 

[Sideswipe]

the difference between CCP and KMT in forcing people to their cause is the way they execute dissenters, KMT shoot the guy in public execution while CCP shoot the guy in the head behind the tree. Result is the same, obey or be kill. Dont believe those CCP propaganda where the masses rose up against the ruling class, most if not all are force into it.

agreed. that's the distinction between the KMT and the CCP. the CCP covered up their atrocities very well. the CCP must have executed 50 times more people secretly than the KMT executed in public.

 

[Agoraphobic]

Ya, agreed that period of Chinese history is really fucked up. Under the Qing rule, well, only the Manchus were treated well, under Chiang Ka-Shek's KMT at that time, had to be rich, under Mao, shit, better not have an independent mind. That's why most of our ancestors fucked off from mainland and took their chances anywhere else.

Cheers!

the Communists deceived the gullible and ignorant peasants. their promises of land to the peasants ( individual ownership ) became common land ownership under the CCP when they took power. the CCP's revolution succeeded on the back of Soviet Russian's money, material and guidance while the KMT was betrayed by the US. Communism was never the choice of the Chinese people. China was betrayed into Communism. that was the Chinese people's tragedy. the CCP erased it's atrocities, downplayed the Soviet help and greatly exaggerated the people's support to glorify their 1949 victory. the KMT has never properly tell its account of the events to the Chinese people and rest of the world till today. that period of Chinese history is well and truly screwed.

 

[Agoraphobic]

I remember during a classroom discussion about the phrase "The good old days", our prof told us that it wasn't really true. He mentioned that looking back and comparing with present day, the level of misery has been reduced. For us, looking at China the last 100~200 years, it was really a miserable place and time then. Things have gotten better in modern times. Hoping we do not regress back into those days.

Cheers!

Generally, with the aid of technology, whether it be the printing press or internet, moving in the direction of more power to the people and that would be a good thing as long ... ... ... Zhou EnLai said it's too early to say what the effects of the French revolution are and he may well be right.

 

[tanwahtiu]

you are such a dickhead.

Hawkers are not even interested to sell angmoh food. You are asking a Chinese to sell all the angmoh shit food.

What you see in angmoh café the Chinese don't even want to eat their food. No nutritional and all fried only fit for dogs to eat.

hallo u dunno what is first world,3rd world?doesnt matter what u call it,ang moh marketing or whatever,a shithole is still a shithole....go to the poor parts of malaysia and take a look for urself,that is a shithole called 3rd world,,im talking about so poor and dilapidated and shitholish that even beggars in first world countries would be embarrased to live in.....even living in a storm drain in singapore or a underpass in australia is more prestigious,even bangras living in the garbage collection center is more advance then these piss poor kampong malaysians.

and by the way singapore is only 2nd world,most singaporeans dont realise it but they live like dogs in dirty filthy tiny pigeon holes and eat at hawker centers.....go to australia,melbourne and look at how melbournites live....amazing beautiful homes,more beautiful than even the "landed property" here......australian lifestyle is omg....the cafes,bistros,shops are amazing,hawker center may be cheap but it has nothing on the quality and authenticity of the australia food culture...and the only reason hawker center is cheap is cause its mostly cheap asian food culture,u want the quality german,italian,greek,korean,jap,american,british stuff,tell me where to find at hawker center?show me a bacon and egg croissant at hawker center that will blow my mind.

 

[Sideswipe]

Ya, agreed that period of Chinese history is really fucked up. Under the Qing rule, well, only the Manchus were treated well, under Chiang Ka-Shek's KMT at that time, had to be rich, under Mao, shit, better not have an independent mind. That's why most of our ancestors fucked off from mainland and took their chances anywhere else.

Cheers!

prolonged wars destabilize the country. Chiang and the KMT never enjoyed a period of real peace and stability to improve the conditions in China. they can't do much for the people. the Nationalist era was a period of missed opportunities.

if Chiang Kai Shek had defeated the Communists, he would be recognized as one of the greatest leaders in Chinese history alongside the great ones like Taizong, Kangxi, Qianlong, etc.

 

[sleaguepunter]

Ya, agreed that period of Chinese history is really fucked up. Under the Qing rule, well, only the Manchus were treated well, under Chiang Ka-Shek's KMT at that time, had to be rich, under Mao, shit, better not have an independent mind. That's why most of our ancestors fucked off from mainland and took their chances anywhere else.

Cheers!

no matter how bad china was during the 1800-1900s, it only the southerners who took their chances outside. very few northerner venture out china. majority of those landed in north america were cantonese and most of them from taishan. they speak a different dialact from the common cantonese.

So it not true manchus rule force the chinese leave their homeland as the mirgant pattern are not wholesale, instead it only certain regions or even certain dialect groups only.

 

[Equalisation]

Yes. Oreos cuter.:o

 

[sleaguepunter]

prolonged wars destabilize the country. Chiang and the KMT never enjoyed a period of real peace and stability to improve the conditions in China. they can't do much for the people. the Nationalist era was a period of missed opportunities.

if Chiang Kai Shek had defeated the Communists, he would be recognized as one of the greatest leaders in Chinese history alongside the great ones like Taizong, Kangxi, Qianlong, etc.

CSK purge the commies too soon, and overestimate the powress of his NRA. If not for the german equiped, trained and led divisions, his "bandits suppression" encirclements would not have work. Alas, CSK only had enough $$ for 10 divisions.

 

[frenchbriefs]

heres what i found out on a website regarding northern chinese and southern chinese.

Stereotypically, the Northern Chinese are rowdy, loud, animated, free-spirited, honest to a fault, loyal, and full of ‘yang;’ they possess the souls of those who fought off barbarians, rode horses, and slept under the stars. They’re the ardent ones, susceptible to drunkenness and passionate fits of anger, not unlike Dmitry Karamazov. This spirit burns in their blood like kerosene, fire spewing from their lips (in the industrial cities, chunky fire, looking like vomit). The Northern Chinese are built to be emperors, leaders, heroes, and conquerors.
And, stereotypically, Southerners are people reared in the pleasure-dome of abundance, raised on rolling rice fields, with silk worms nipping at their whiskers, developing as soft impressions of the calm and tranquil land. They become cultured, erudite, soft and refined, fond of art as well as industry. Southerners are said to be cunning and shrewd, industrious, scholarly, built as instruments for the improvement of culture. They’re said to be well-suited for entrepreneurship, for industry, for art, and for a scholarly life.

 

[Agoraphobic]

Don't know what it was under his rule, but he and his party must've been unscrupulous and corrupt as hell. The KMT really pulled up their socks after relocating to Taiwan. Didn't seem like they cared much about the people during their reign there, just as well they were booted out.

Cheers!

prolonged wars destabilize the country. Chiang and the KMT never enjoyed a period of real peace and stability to improve the conditions in China. they can't do much for the people. the Nationalist era was a period of missed opportunities.

if Chiang Kai Shek had defeated the Communists, he would be recognized as one of the greatest leaders in Chinese history alongside the great ones like Taizong, Kangxi, Qianlong, etc.

 

[Agoraphobic]

It never occurred to me we Southerners were different Chinese from those in the north until sometime during the 80s when PAP was promoting Mandarin as the language for all Chinese, my Ah Kong told me that Mandarin was the language of the north, and as long as he lived, he wouldn't speak Mandarin. Well, he eventually picked it up and used it quite comfortably. Me, I suck at it.

Cheers!

no matter how bad china was during the 1800-1900s, it only the southerners who took their chances outside. very few northerner venture out china. majority of those landed in north america were cantonese and most of them from taishan. they speak a different dialact from the common cantonese.

So it not true manchus rule force the chinese leave their homeland as the mirgant pattern are not wholesale, instead it only certain regions or even certain dialect groups only.

 

[frenchbriefs]

It never occurred to me we Southerners were different Chinese from those in the north until sometime during the 80s when PAP was promoting Mandarin as the language for all Chinese, my Ah Kong told me that Mandarin was the language of the north, and as long as he lived, he wouldn't speak Mandarin. Well, he eventually picked it up and used it quite comfortably. Me, I suck at it.

Cheers!

thats funny,my grandmother said her mandarin is bad as well.....but i had no idea mandarin is was a predominantly north language,i simply thought the whole of china spoke mandarin and dialects were like tiny offshoots.

 

[Agoraphobic]

It doesn't affect me what they speak in PRC, I can only speak some street level Hokkien that I picked up during NS. The only language I am comfortable in is English. Once in Toronto, a Chinese man approached me and started talking in Cantonese, I looked at him and shook my head, then he asked me whether I spoke Chinese what kind of Chinese am I, in this I was able to reply in Cantonese, that I am teochew. Fuck! then he spoke to me in some deep deep teochew that limpei catch no ball! I spoke to him in English that I didn't understand. Where I last resided in Canada, there were lots of Chinese there, and in that, Chinese meant Cantonese. At the Chinese cafes/restaurants, if one can't speak Cantonese, don't expect decent service. Lucky my wife is quite competent in it, else no dim-sum for me.

Cheers!

thats funny,my grandmother said her mandarin is bad as well.....but i had no idea mandarin is was a predominantly north language,i simply thought the whole of china spoke mandarin and dialects were like tiny offshoots.

 

[sleaguepunter]

It doesn't affect me what they speak in PRC, I can only speak some street level Hokkien that I picked up during NS. The only language I am comfortable in is English. Once in Toronto, a Chinese man approached me and started talking in Cantonese, I looked at him and shook my head, then he asked me whether I spoke Chinese what kind of Chinese am I, in this I was able to reply in Cantonese, that I am teochew. Fuck! then he spoke to me in some deep deep teochew that limpei catch no ball! I spoke to him in English that I didn't understand. Where I last resided in Canada, there were lots of Chinese there, and in that, Chinese meant Cantonese. At the Chinese cafes/restaurants, if one can't speak Cantonese, don't expect decent service. Lucky my wife is quite competent in it, else no dim-sum for me.

Cheers!

you lucky the man didnt speak to you in taishanese, you lagi catch no ball and i doubt your wife even understand a word of it. The cantonese we hear nowadays was the official langague in canton in the past, so old time people speak their own dialect at home but speak cantonese when they go to the provincial capital on business.

 

[frenchbriefs]

It doesn't affect me what they speak in PRC, I can only speak some street level Hokkien that I picked up during NS. The only language I am comfortable in is English. Once in Toronto, a Chinese man approached me and started talking in Cantonese, I looked at him and shook my head, then he asked me whether I spoke Chinese what kind of Chinese am I, in this I was able to reply in Cantonese, that I am teochew. Fuck! then he spoke to me in some deep deep teochew that limpei catch no ball! I spoke to him in English that I didn't understand. Where I last resided in Canada, there were lots of Chinese there, and in that, Chinese meant Cantonese. At the Chinese cafes/restaurants, if one can't speak Cantonese, don't expect decent service. Lucky my wife is quite competent in it, else no dim-sum for me.

Cheers!

yes but it matters cause u have to know what type of chinese u are and whose the enemy,as far as i know im a southerner so northerners are the enemy,and any tiong that doesnt speak dialect are the enemy doesnt matter which dialect....thats basically 95% of tiongs in singapore....i only met a handful of tiongs that could speak dialect,i suspect they originate from fujian,guangdong and other places where native singaporeans came from.

well i can see why u are in toronto....if u were in singapore ur life would be a living hell.imagine being in ur own country and u cant understand what these jackasses colleagues are saying....fuck my life....fuck putonghua,fuck china.

 

[frenchbriefs]

fuck now i know mandarin is the language of the enemy that means i have to pick up cantonese and hokkien....my hokkien is not very good....worse still i have to study ancient chinese characters to know what the fuck im saying in cantonese....

this fucking asshole of a loong let in every fucking tiong without even knowing whos hes letting in,if he let in tiongs that came from fu jian and guangdong,singapore would have a much easier time.

 

[frenchbriefs]

you lucky the man didnt speak to you in taishanese, you lagi catch no ball and i doubt your wife even understand a word of it. The cantonese we hear nowadays was the official langague in canton in the past, so old time people speak their own dialect at home but speak cantonese when they go to the provincial capital on business.

i tell u if any dog came up to me and spoke to me in swahili,i will tell him fuck you muthafucker,the toilet is that way and point him to the nearest highway.

 

[sirus]

Mandarin (simplified Chinese: 官话; traditional Chinese: 官話; pinyin: Guānhuà; literally: "speech of officials") is a group of related varieties of Chinese spoken across most of northern and southwestern China. Because most Mandarin dialects are found in the north, the group is also referred to as the "northern dialect(s)". When the Mandarin group is taken as one language, as is often done in academic literature, it has more native speakers (nearly a billion) than any other language.

A northeastern-dialect speaker and a southwestern-dialect speaker may have difficulty communicating except through the standard language. Nonetheless, there is much less variation across the huge Mandarin area than between the non-Mandarin varieties of southeast China. This is attributed to the greater ease of travel and communication in the North China Plain compared to the more mountainous south, combined with the relatively recent spread of Mandarin to frontier areas.

For most of Chinese history, the capital has been within the Mandarin area, making these dialects very influential. Since the 14th century, some form of Mandarin has served as a national lingua franca. In the early 20th century, a standard form based on the Beijing dialect, with elements from other Mandarin dialects, was adopted as the national language. Standard Chinese, which is also referred to as "Mandarin", is the official language of the People's Republic of China and the Republic of China and one of the four official languages of Singapore. It is also one of the most frequently used varieties of Chinese among Chinese diaspora communities internationally.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandarin_Chinese