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Remy Choo Zheng Xi -- glorifying a position of aloof neutrality

Thick Face Black Heart

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I will be kind and describe his FB post as being of "aloof neutrality".

If I were more unkind I should use the term "asinine fatuity".

I wonder if he got that "midnight" call from a certain cabinet colleague again.


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Remy Choo, on Facebook:

I haven't written anything about the Lee vs Roy debacle publicly because the entire situation has devolved into a farce. There's an intolerable amount of grandstanding on the one hand and too much ego on the other.

No great principles stand to be established on the side of freedom of speech: does it really make sense to take up arms and argue that one has the freedom to baselessly accuse someone else of misappropriation with impunity? No great principles of qualified privilege stand to be established here (unlike the fight over the Reynold's privilege defence of responsible journalism in Review Publishing v Lee Hsien Loong). Liability seems to be admitted and all that remains is to assess damages.

So, at some point, those hungry for a showdown in Court need to take a long, hard think and ask: what is the point, in law or public interest, that you hope to establish? If it's to get a thorough airing of issues relating to CPF, we're already getting that in spades, I don't think it's necessary or healthy to have those issues conflated (let alone become synonymous) with the factual inaccuracies of the original statements.

On the side of the Government, whoever's advising PM on his PR strategy needs to be sacked. Reputation =/= Ego. You can get damages in law for the former, but you shouldn't price how much the latter is bruised into the equation.

In the last couple of days I've spoken to dozens of people equally annoyed and disillusioned at both sides of this fight.

Is a middle ground possible? Of course! Cases settle before trial all the time. It's going to be a lot less exciting than watching a courtroom showdown and public debacle but it's definitely going to help get the rest of the country over this unhealthy fixation with this tawdry spectacle​
 

Thick Face Black Heart

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Imagine: Choo Zheng Xi is a practicing lawyer who has advocated on behalf of civil activists and drug couriers on death row before. YET, he has nothing at all to say about:

(i) The use of defamation laws as a means of intimidation and a tool of suppressing legitimate dialogue

(ii) Whether there could have been better ways for the PM to deal with defamatory remarks online

(iii) What both parties could have done to prevent the matter from escalating out of proportion

(iv) Most Importantly: The significance of the incredible fund raising effort which even bested Chee Soon Juan's $30,000 in two weeks.


Bottom line: The middle finger is pointed directly at the PM now. Choo seems to want to get a share of that, for reasons best known to himself.
 

scroobal

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Chua Lee Hoong did he same thing over the James Gomez and Wong Kan Seng issue that began damaging the PAP. The next day it stopped. Many expected something similar to come from SPH or Eugene Tan so that the PM in this case does not lose face. Imagine blaming the PM's PR strategist and not the PM. An imaginary PR strategist? Not the PM nor Davinder.

These thing do not fall from the sky. This was planned and now watch what happens.

I wrote about Remy in 2006.
 

Thick Face Black Heart

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These thing do not fall from the sky. This was planned and now watch what happens.

I wrote about Remy in 2006.


Agree. Damage control has been activated.

If I remember correctly in 2006 Remy had just stopped his service with Ho Geok Choo and has started to team with Andrew Loh to form TOC around Christmas time.
 

Sinkie

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I've seen all these jostlings and taking sides and 'seemingly' neutrality, all played out in the school yard when a fight begins to take place.
 

Debonerman

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At least we got "Locky" to admit there are two sides to this fight. On one side the Honorable Miss Pinky Prime Minister Mai Hum Lee Hsien Loong and at the other corner a nobody in scale terms.
 

Thick Face Black Heart

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At least we got "Locky" to admit there are two sides to this fight. On one side the Honorable Miss Pinky Prime Minister Mai Hum Lee Hsien Loong and at the other corner a nobody in scale terms.



Nobody was in doubt that Roy wrote something he shouldn't have, and in that sense, there was no reputation that needed to be defended. If the cockle-less meesiam lover wanted to de-escalate, he could have done so. The two emails could have been ignored even if a mischievous party were to raise it.

The pink-shirted cross-legged hip-sashaying PM has painted himself in a corner, and I bet you he did not anticipate the $70,000 in four days.
 

Debonerman

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Nobody was in doubt that Roy wrote something he shouldn't have, and in that sense, there was no reputation that needed to be defended. If the cockle-less meesiam lover wanted to de-escalate, he could have done so. The two emails could have been ignored even if a mischievous party were to raise it.

The pink-shirted cross-legged hip-sashaying PM has painted himself in a corner, and I bet you he did not anticipate the $70,000 in four days.


Miss Pinky Mai Hum Lee Hsien Loong arrived at the conclusion after giving very careful thought for 3 seconds and decided he had been "saddamised." He knew that if he choose to ignore it he would lose the "leegitimacy" to rule. He need to kill and he will continue killing until monkeys are left with no balls. But the concrete jungle that is Singapore will die along with it.
 

Thick Face Black Heart

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Miss Pinky Mai Hum Lee Hsien Loong arrived at the conclusion after giving very careful thought for 3 seconds and decided he had been "saddamised." He knew that if he choose to ignore it he would lose the "leegitimacy" to rule. He need to kill and he will continue killing until monkeys are left with no balls. But the concrete jungle that is Singapore will die along with it.



That's why he should be an academic and not a politician. He thinks like a scientist.
 

scroobal

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I think this was a miscue. Now they are stuck.

Miss Pinky Mai Hum Lee Hsien Loong arrived at the conclusion after giving very careful thought for 3 seconds and decided he had been "saddamised." He knew that if he choose to ignore it he would lose the "leegitimacy" to rule. He need to kill and he will continue killing until monkeys are left with no balls. But the concrete jungle that is Singapore will die along with it.
 

vtran2684

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Debonerman

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I think this was a miscue. Now they are stuck.

The useless Secretary Minister in the PMO should gracefooly offer to be the scapecunt and resign for setting up the rolling snowball that became an avalanche by acting as "administrator" on behalf of the PM.
 

tanwahp

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Imagine: Choo Zheng Xi is a practicing lawyer who has advocated on behalf of civil activists and drug couriers on death row before. YET, he has nothing at all to say about:

(i) The use of defamation laws as a means of intimidation and a tool of suppressing legitimate dialogue

(ii) Whether there could have been better ways for the PM to deal with defamatory remarks online

(iii) What both parties could have done to prevent the matter from escalating out of proportion

(iv) Most Importantly: The significance of the incredible fund raising effort which even bested Chee Soon Juan's $30,000 in two weeks.


Bottom line: The middle finger is pointed directly at the PM now. Choo seems to want to get a share of that, for reasons best known to himself.

I think the issue between Choo and Ngerng may be more personal than political. Choo represented Alex Au and Demoncratic Singapore cartoonist Leslie Chew. No reason why he suddenly finds defamation abhorrent.

But the issue is more between the blogging communities of TOC bloggers and another group of bloggers that includes Leong and Han.
 

SockPuppet

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Chua Lee Hoong did he same thing over the James Gomez and Wong Kan Seng issue that began damaging the PAP. The next day it stopped. Many expected something similar to come from SPH or Eugene Tan so that the PM in this case does not lose face. Imagine blaming the PM's PR strategist and not the PM. An imaginary PR strategist? Not the PM nor Davinder.

These thing do not fall from the sky. This was planned and now watch what happens.

I wrote about Remy in 2006.

What are you all saying? Remy is on whose side?
 

neddy

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Imagine blaming the PM's PR strategist and not the PM. An imaginary PR strategist? Not the PM nor Davinder.

Found! The PR strategist. Somewhere in the middle.


lee-kuan-yew-george.jpg
 

Thick Face Black Heart

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I think the issue between Choo and Ngerng may be more personal than political. Choo represented Alex Au and Demoncratic Singapore cartoonist Leslie Chew. No reason why he suddenly finds defamation abhorrent.

But the issue is more between the blogging communities of TOC bloggers and another group of bloggers that includes Leong and Han.


Choo is basically torn between the activist community and the cabinet minister who calls him at midnight.

When it comes to crunch time, he decides which side of his bread is buttered.
 

SockPuppet

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Imagine: Choo Zheng Xi is a practicing lawyer who has advocated on behalf of civil activists and drug couriers on death row before. YET, he has nothing at all to say about:

(i) The use of defamation laws as a means of intimidation and a tool of suppressing legitimate dialogue

(ii) Whether there could have been better ways for the PM to deal with defamatory remarks online

(iii) What both parties could have done to prevent the matter from escalating out of proportion

(iv) Most Importantly: The significance of the incredible fund raising effort which even bested Chee Soon Juan's $30,000 in two weeks.


Bottom line: The middle finger is pointed directly at the PM now. Choo seems to want to get a share of that, for reasons best known to himself.

At least Remy does the things he believes in. many other lawyers are not doing what Remy does.
 

laksaboy

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Neutrality? The hottest place in Hell is reserved for those who remain neutral in times of great moral conflict.
 
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