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Is ASEAN a toothless tiger?

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ASEAN seems uninterested in standing united against PRC's claims and intrusion into the South China Sea. Looks like all the expense to modernise her arm forces are for reasons other than military purpose. With no effective deterrent against PRC's ambitions, it will be China's game as the US will not want to engage China in a military confrontation over what it will not see as politically, economically, or financially beneficial. Once PRC sets up an operating base in the region, ASEAN might as well call it quits and disband the formation; it will be a waste of time and money.

Cheers!

http://thediplomat.com/2014/05/aseans-tepid-response-to-the-vietnam-china-faceoff/

ASEAN’s Tepid Response to the Vietnam-China Faceoff

The bloc’s inability to craft a united response to Chinese aggression signals a further decline in its regional clout.

By Luke Hunt
May 17, 2014

As ASEAN wound up its annual meeting in Naypyidaw with the usual round of backslapping and handshakes, Thailand was again close to political implosion while Vietnam’s navy faced another Chinese incursion in waters not far from Danang.
Sadly, both threats to regional stability elicited only a tepid response from ASEAN leaders gathering for the first time ever in Myanmar, a country whose human rights record could end a global attempt to coax its regime out of a North Korean-like status.
Not much was said about Brunei’s introduction of Sharia law and punishments that range from the stoning of adulterers, gays and apostates to lopping the limbs off thieves. Hard-line Muslims are pushing for something similar in Malaysia, which has been embarrassed by its fumbled response to the disappearance of Flight MH370.
Neither a ruthless crackdown on dissent in Cambodia nor a massive borrowing binge in Laos rated much of a mention among ASEAN leaders. Little mention was made of a serious economic crunch in Vietnam, which alongside the Philippines is providing the international bulwark against China’s extraordinary nine-dash line declaration.
Enthusiasm for ASEAN, and in particular the launch of the ASEAN Economic Community (AEC) at the end of 2015, has been waning, particularly among heavyweight members like Indonesia. This lack of interest in ASEAN affairs, and a willfully blind attitude to the more weighty issues of state, could not have come at a worse time.
The Thais had been tasked with negotiating a code of conduct between China and ASEAN over Beijing’s “ancient claims” in the South China Sea – also known as the West Philippines Sea and East Sea in Vietnam – as gunboat diplomacy between Hanoi and Beijing reaches its most dangerous levels since 1979.
Ancient claims have no basis in international courts, but Beijing is relentless in its territorial ambitions. It is also using its own rules in maritime disputes with Brunei, Malaysia, Taiwan – and possibly Indonesia over the Natuna Sea.
But the ousting of Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra has left the Thais and ASEAN rudderless as China tried to defend its stationing of an oil rig on Vietnam’s continental shelf.
As Vietnamese and Chinese ships jostled and fired water cannons at each other – the best ASEAN could do was issue another summit statement urging restraint and expressing “serious concern,” timidly avoiding any mention of China.
Furious protesters have trashed 15 Chinese factories in Vietnam, forcing Chinese investors and tourists to flee across the border and into the safety of Cambodia. Golfers in Danang reported fighter jets overhead, heading out to sea.
Observers said it was the first time Vietnam had allowed the state-run press to freely cover the protests, which the government also allowed to proceed. However, Singapore-based Channel News Asia was taken off the air after flagging a report on the protests.
At least 200 people have been arrested and the Vietnamese government has pledged to crack down on hooliganism.
“It is clear that China’s new assertiveness is triggering anxieties among its neighbors,” said Ernest Bower, of the Center for Strategic and International Studies.
ASEAN has long been ridiculed as a toothless tiger and its behavior amid the current standoff between China and Vietnam – perhaps the greatest challenge to face the group – only reinforces the claims.
If ASEAN genuinely wants to be taken seriously, now might be an appropriate time for a united public front on China’s territorial ambitions in the seas that divide the bloc’s 10 nations. If it is unable to do that, then individual member states face the daunting task of dealing with Beijing on their own, further relegating ASEAN to the political sidelines and undermining its diplomatic credentials.
 
with old man and the pap in charge of the whole asean, it will not be. :p
 
when the Chinese rise, no other countries dare to stop them.

Chinese history has proven again and again Chinese are the best.



ASEAN seems uninterested in standing united against PRC's claims and intrusion into the South China Sea. Looks like all the expense to modernise her arm forces are for reasons other than military purpose. With no effective deterrent against PRC's ambitions, it will be China's game as the US will not want to engage China in a military confrontation over what it will not see as politically, economically, or financially beneficial. Once PRC sets up an operating base in the region, ASEAN might as well call it quits and disband the formation; it will be a waste of time and money.

Cheers!

http://thediplomat.com/2014/05/aseans-tepid-response-to-the-vietnam-china-faceoff/

ASEAN’s Tepid Response to the Vietnam-China Faceoff

The bloc’s inability to craft a united response to Chinese aggression signals a further decline in its regional clout.

By Luke Hunt
May 17, 2014

As ASEAN wound up its annual meeting in Naypyidaw with the usual round of backslapping and handshakes, Thailand was again close to political implosion while Vietnam’s navy faced another Chinese incursion in waters not far from Danang.
Sadly, both threats to regional stability elicited only a tepid response from ASEAN leaders gathering for the first time ever in Myanmar, a country whose human rights record could end a global attempt to coax its regime out of a North Korean-like status.
Not much was said about Brunei’s introduction of Sharia law and punishments that range from the stoning of adulterers, gays and apostates to lopping the limbs off thieves. Hard-line Muslims are pushing for something similar in Malaysia, which has been embarrassed by its fumbled response to the disappearance of Flight MH370.
Neither a ruthless crackdown on dissent in Cambodia nor a massive borrowing binge in Laos rated much of a mention among ASEAN leaders. Little mention was made of a serious economic crunch in Vietnam, which alongside the Philippines is providing the international bulwark against China’s extraordinary nine-dash line declaration.
Enthusiasm for ASEAN, and in particular the launch of the ASEAN Economic Community (AEC) at the end of 2015, has been waning, particularly among heavyweight members like Indonesia. This lack of interest in ASEAN affairs, and a willfully blind attitude to the more weighty issues of state, could not have come at a worse time.
The Thais had been tasked with negotiating a code of conduct between China and ASEAN over Beijing’s “ancient claims” in the South China Sea – also known as the West Philippines Sea and East Sea in Vietnam – as gunboat diplomacy between Hanoi and Beijing reaches its most dangerous levels since 1979.
Ancient claims have no basis in international courts, but Beijing is relentless in its territorial ambitions. It is also using its own rules in maritime disputes with Brunei, Malaysia, Taiwan – and possibly Indonesia over the Natuna Sea.
But the ousting of Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra has left the Thais and ASEAN rudderless as China tried to defend its stationing of an oil rig on Vietnam’s continental shelf.
As Vietnamese and Chinese ships jostled and fired water cannons at each other – the best ASEAN could do was issue another summit statement urging restraint and expressing “serious concern,” timidly avoiding any mention of China.
Furious protesters have trashed 15 Chinese factories in Vietnam, forcing Chinese investors and tourists to flee across the border and into the safety of Cambodia. Golfers in Danang reported fighter jets overhead, heading out to sea.
Observers said it was the first time Vietnam had allowed the state-run press to freely cover the protests, which the government also allowed to proceed. However, Singapore-based Channel News Asia was taken off the air after flagging a report on the protests.
At least 200 people have been arrested and the Vietnamese government has pledged to crack down on hooliganism.
“It is clear that China’s new assertiveness is triggering anxieties among its neighbors,” said Ernest Bower, of the Center for Strategic and International Studies.
ASEAN has long been ridiculed as a toothless tiger and its behavior amid the current standoff between China and Vietnam – perhaps the greatest challenge to face the group – only reinforces the claims.
If ASEAN genuinely wants to be taken seriously, now might be an appropriate time for a united public front on China’s territorial ambitions in the seas that divide the bloc’s 10 nations. If it is unable to do that, then individual member states face the daunting task of dealing with Beijing on their own, further relegating ASEAN to the political sidelines and undermining its diplomatic credentials.
 
ASEAN is not SEATO, it is not a military alliance, it was set up as a sort of trading bloc and to prevent the ang mors from preaching to them about democracy and human rights and to extend dictatorial rule within its member states,,,, hence the non domestic interference clause,,,everything else written in the charter is BS,,,
 
I hope the boundaries of his reign will not be extended. Whenever I drop into Johore, I buy some bubble gum for my kid. Don't want to have to fly outside of ASEAN just to get a packet of gum.

Cheers!

with old man and the pap in charge of the whole asean, it will not be. :p
 
As long as China is open to trade, no one will one to fight with her. She is the world's factory and will remain so for some time. Modern China's history is still fresh on their minds and they do not want that episode where she was humiliated by other countries to be repeated. As for being the "best," she is not there yet. There is lots of competition from other very competent nations as well. But the lives and prospects of her citizens are definitely better now than ever in the past.

Cheers!

when the Chinese rise, no other countries dare to stop them.

Chinese history has proven again and again Chinese are the best.
 
Agree. Some member countries still look over their shoulder suspiciously of their neighbour. Historical rivalries still exist. They should however look forward with a broader mind. Currently, money matter is the only thing of interest to them. And in this, everyone is concerned only about their own pocket.

Cheers!

ASEAN is not SEATO, it is not a military alliance,........,,,
 
i know singapore is a toothless bitch from the fact that we have 1 million of these locusts in our country.
 
The Asean members have not voiced it, but in their minds they will be asking-which member is most pro China and has been importing PRC people in huge numbers to be citizens and PR's. Which state in fact has a whole team of PRC's to represent it in ping pong and badminton?

Very soon singaporeans will get beaten up in neighbouring countries as they cannot tell the difference between a PRC new citizen and a local born singaporeans.Who is paying the price for the govt policies?
 
TS, even the AEU has not seen light of the day. Bad dragging feet, with vested economic interests
 
The Asean members have not voiced it, but in their minds they will be asking-which member is most pro China and has been importing PRC people in huge numbers to be citizens and PR's. Which state in fact has a whole team of PRC's to represent it in ping pong and badminton?

Very soon singaporeans will get beaten up in neighbouring countries as they cannot tell the difference between a PRC new citizen and a local born singaporeans.Who is paying the price for the govt policies?

hong kong?australia has tons of these muthafarkers too,i remember some of the banks in australia are pandering so much to the chinese they even have chinese ads chinese language and chinese cs.
 
All TERRITORIES IN THE SOUTH CHINA SEA BELONGED TO CHINA!

HAIL TO THE SUPERIOR AND MIGHTY CINA RACE!! LOL!

ANY ASEAN COUNTRIES WHO DISAGREE WILL GET A WALLOPING!!
 
ASEAN is too dependent on the rest of the world to have a collective stand on anything. How to take a collective stand against China when everyone is busy doing business with China? Or for that matter how to take a collective stand when some conflicts are between member countries and the issues too complex for mere tokenism to address?
 
The Asean members have not voiced it, but in their minds they will be asking-which member is most pro China and has been importing PRC people in huge numbers to be citizens and PR's. Which state in fact has a whole team of PRC's to represent it in ping pong and badminton?

Very soon singaporeans will get beaten up in neighbouring countries as they cannot tell the difference between a PRC new citizen and a local born singaporeans.Who is paying the price for the govt policies?

You mean which Member has 80% descendents from China?
 
ASEAN is not even a tiger in 1st place lah...............more like a mouse.......toothless mouse some more
 
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