new citizen han hui hui should get her facts right la!

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This new citizen han hui hui thinks tripartism that consist of the state, the unions and the employers are of conflict of interest since the head of the union is in the parliament. But if this is so, why are so many countries have labour mps which are in unions in the parliament? This girl.. really need to use google.

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This new citizen han hui hui thinks tripartism that consist of the state, the unions and the employers are of conflict of interest since the head of the union is in the parliament. But if this is so, why are so many countries have labour mps which are in unions in the parliament? This girl.. really need to use google.

Excuse me, PAP lackey. There is a difference between head of the union in parliament and head of the union in the cabinet.
 
Read the last sentence in the pic leh. Cabinet minister gives him more voice for the workers. Means more bargaining power to influence policy changes since he is in the cabinet. Why u dont know.
 
Read the last sentence in the pic leh. Cabinet minister gives him more voice for the workers. Means more bargaining power to influence policy changes since he is in the cabinet. Why u dont know.


Not if you're a minister of a ruthlessly hardcore pro-business Leegime. ;)

Conflict of interest means conflict of interest. Don't talk cock about bargaining power. :rolleyes:
 
Oh, and PAP/NTUC shills, please do read this and get educated:

http://andyxianwong.wordpress.com/2013/03/28/ntuc-the-snake-that-eats-its-own-tail/

The NTUC is not a trade union under any internationally-accepted definition of the term. Trade unions exist to represent the interests of workers, but the so-called ‘tripartite’ arrangement indicates the NTUC is just another branch of government.

To keep this fair and balanced, I'll also post a link to Discuss SG and a thread newly created today which also discusses this topic.

http://www.discuss.com.sg/showthrea...tripartite-industry-relationship-in-Singapore

LOL @ liberatey. Trying too damn hard.
 
seow lah! every posting from facebook must discuss here? Sibeh Eng is it?
 
Oh, and PAP/NTUC shills, please do read this and get educated:

http://andyxianwong.wordpress.com/2013/03/28/ntuc-the-snake-that-eats-its-own-tail/



To keep this fair and balanced, I'll also post a link to Discuss SG and a thread newly created today which also discusses this topic.

http://www.discuss.com.sg/showthrea...tripartite-industry-relationship-in-Singapore

LOL @ liberatey. Trying too damn hard.



LOL NTUC stands for National Trades Union Congress. READ the last word.

Its a group of unions, not a union! HAHAHA
 
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singapore union lacks the bite to fight more higher wages.

because it is controlled by Minister without Portfolio, earning millions per year!
 
Read the last sentence in the pic leh. Cabinet minister gives him more voice for the workers. Means more bargaining power to influence policy changes since he is in the cabinet. Why u dont know.

Why can't it be this angle - Cabinet minister controls the union to toe the government's line. Minister is more interested to protect his rice-bowl (or din dai fung meal) than the workers' welfare.
 
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Not if you're a minister of a ruthlessly hardcore pro-business Leegime. ;)

Conflict of interest means conflict of interest. Don't talk cock about bargaining power. :rolleyes:

i think their bargaining power is like being screwed in the cun7 or a55.
 
bit by bit, as she finds out ze hard tooth, she discover she kena conned! ...
 
..... NTUC has suffered from a dereliction of duty in its original commitment to protect the Singaporea

First, the backroom deals of tripartism, instead of open and transparent negotiations........severely weaken the union and advantage companies during negotiation, because the unions (and workers) cannot appeal to public outcry. Absent the immediate threat of mass public outcry and the associated reputation costs, companies have more leverage to tilt the negotiations to their demands...........

The recent SMRT bus driver saga is a case in point..........the gross unfairness in which the new work regulations disadvantaged bus drivers and how they were imposed unilaterally certainly goes to show how the transport workers union was steamrolled over.

Second, if unions cannot appeal to public outcry, then they may appeal to threaten to strike for their demands. But can Singapore unions really strike ......... but it seems that the Singaporean workers’ right to strike cannot stand........ One, if mass gatherings that disrupt the public order are not allowed (and mass gatherings are defined as 1 or more), then the right to strike sounds really dubious to me. Two, the political ramifications for strike action are costly. Just ask Ong Teng Cheong who sanctioned Singapore’s last strike action in January 1986 for a group of shipyard workers.

Thus, with severe legal and political costs attached to strike action, unions at the negotiating table are further disadvantaged. No appeal to strike. No appeal to public outcry.

Third, does NTUC really help workers get “fair wages”, get a “conducive work environment” and ensure that they are “not exploited”? ...... low wage workers whom NTUC are best supposed to represent, have been grossly underpaid ........for the work they have done over the past decades. As Prof Lim Chong Yah mentioned, low wage workers in Singapore are more than 100% underpaid as compared to their counterparts in Taiwan, South Korea, Hong Kong and Japan. As Prof Tommy Koh also previously mentioned, low wage workers in Singapore are also grossly underpaid in comparable Nordic countries such as Denmark, Norway, Sweden, and Finland.

Even if we do not compare across countries, within Singapore, across time, the fact that the wages of low wage workers have climbed miserably slow or even declined over the past few decades, mean that NTUC has been disastrously not effective in helping workers raise their wages. The extreme low wages that our workers rely on, some may argue, is tantamount to possible exploitation in high-cost Singapore.

Of course, all these critiques are not taking away the good that NTUC has done, such as NTUC Fairprice, discount vouchers for low wage workers, NTUC Income, etc etc. But these small subsidies nibble away at the edges and do not address the fundamental issue of the gross underpayment of our low wage workers.

In my next post, with reference to the union bargains as characterized in Europe, I will blog more about why NTUC is not entirely to blame for the current state of affairs for low wage workers and that if we must pin the blame, we have to blame the PAP since the 1990s

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http://ayummysliceoflife.wordpress.com/2012/05/25/ntuc-has-teeth-just-only-a-few-left
 
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LOL NTUC stands for National Trades Union Congress. READ the last word.

Its a group of unions, not a union! HAHAHA

Semantics la deh... Let me quote, http://countrystudies.us/singapore/51.htm Barbara Leitch Lepoer, ed. Singapore: A Country Study. Washington: GPO for the Library of Congress, 1989.

With a single party and set of leaders ruling the country for thirty years, Singapore had what political scientists called a dominant party system or a hegemonic party system, similar to that of Japan or Mexico. There were regular elections and opposition parties and independent candidates contested the elections, but after the early 1960s the opposition had little chance of replacing the PAP, which regularly won 60 to 70 percent of the popular vote. The strongest opposition came from the left, with union-based parties appealing to unskilled and factory workers. In the early 1960s, the union movement split between the leftist Singapore Association of Trade Unions and the National Trades Union Congress (NTUC), which was associated with Lee Kuan Yew's pragmatic wing of the PAP. In 1963 the Singapore Association of Trade Unions was banned and its leaders arrested as pro-communist subversives. The NTUC was controlled by the PAP and followed a government-sponsored program of "modern unionism," under which strikes were unknown and wages were, in practice, set by the government through the National Wages Council.

Would you like to congratulate the PAP on a job well done?

Ronald Reagan: “Where Free Unions and Collective Bargaining are Forbidden, Freedom is Lost”
 
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Read the last sentence in the pic leh. Cabinet minister gives him more voice for the workers. Means more bargaining power to influence policy changes since he is in the cabinet. Why u dont know.

While he is prancing around in Zorro costume , wages have been kept stagnant , except for himself and friends, and prices have been going up. What exactly has he been bargaining for ?
 
NWC is a tripartite council. its set by the unions, employers and the government la!
 
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